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Liberals Want To Bring Soviet Canuckistan's Healthcare Nightmare To The US
There are few things that get liberals more excited than the idea of
socializing medicine. Just imagine all the new regulations they could use
to boss people around, all the new government workers who'd probably vote
Democratic, how much they could raise taxes, and the enormous growth of
government that'd result. It's like the holy grail of liberalism!

But socialized medicine isn't working out so well for our old buddies up
North in Soviet Canuckistan according to this article from Reuters..

"Canada often boasts its universal health care program shows it is more
caring than the United States, but the system is creaking alarmingly, with
long wait lists for treatment, and shortages of cash and doctors.

And far from criticizing the United States, some people are choosing to go
south of the border to pay for operations in private hospitals --
institutions that are forbidden in Canada by the law that set up the
publicly funded system.

.."Few would dispute the prevailing reality of our time: people in this
country are increasingly anxious about their ability to get in to see the
right health professional at the right time," Prime Minister Paul Martin
said on Monday.

"Meanwhile, financial pressures are increasing as our population ages, as
medical knowledge..expands, and as beneficial but expensive new treatments
become available," he told a top-level meeting designed to rescue
medicare."

Boy, it really sounds like socialized medicine solved all of Canada's
health care problems doesn't it?

"Medicare eats up C$85 billion ($66 billion) a year in public funds alone
and the provinces continually demand more money, with no strings attached.
Ottawa says it is prepared to contribute more but insists the provinces
agree to benchmarks to ensure the funds are being spent properly."

Let's see, 66 billion dollars a year for what everyone admits is poor
service (more on how poor later in this post). Plus, you have to remember
that the US has roughly 9.5 times as many people as Canada. So if we spent
about the same amount per person as Canada, that means the government would
spend about $627 billion dollars a year on health care. Then toss in our
out of control, lawsuit happy culture, the fact that we don't have
presciption drug price controls like Canada, and the fact that it would
cost a little more to get a system like this started than it would after it
had been running a few years, and let's figure it would be
about..oh..$700 billion a year (and somehow, someway, knowing what I
know about how government programs work, I'd bet it would end up being a
lot more). Given that we're already running more than a 400 billion dollar
deficit a year, that would mean we'd have roughly a trillion dollars a year
to make up for somehow. That doesn't sound like such a great deal,
especially when you get this kind of service..

"As the politicians bicker, Canadians spend more time waiting in line. A
study by the right-wing Fraser Institute this month said that average
waiting time for treatment in 2003 rose to 17.7 weeks from 16.5 weeks in
2002.

..Some delays are much longer. Patients in Ontario who require major knee
surgery can wait six months to see a specialist and then another 18 months
for surgery.

"When I started work 30 years ago it took three weeks to get a patient into
a specialist's office. Now it can take six months. There is a lot of
inhumanity built into the system," one unhappy family doctor told Reuters."

Just imagine having a severely injured knee. You're walking around on
crutches, you're slamming down Tylenol like tic-tacs just to take the pain,
and you have to wait TWO YEARS to get it fixed. You also have to keep in
mind that it's only going to get worse..

"Experts say the shortage of doctors will only get worse as an increasingly
elderly physician population starts to retire over the next decade. And as
medical expertise becomes ever more sophisticated, so will the demand and
the expense."

Don't let liberals snow you. Despite the problems with our current health
care system, socialized medicine would be a huge step backwards from what
we already have.



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TruthIsStrongerThanDeceit



Re: Liberals Want To Bring Soviet Canuckistan's Healthcare Nightmare To The US
-snip-

>
> Don't let liberals snow you. Despite the problems with our current health
> care system, socialized medicine would be a huge step backwards from what
> we already have.

45 million citizens WITHOUT healthcare in the Corporate States of America
and 5 million have lost their insurance under the Grand Wizard Dubya.


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Bush's $10 Trillion Borrowing Binge

New projections from the Congressional Budget Office indicate that
continuation of President Bush's budget policies will triple the national
debt by the end of fiscal 2013. Left unchecked, Bush's reckless approach to
fiscal policy will saddle our children with an additional $10 trillion in
debt just ten years from now.

http://www.ctj.org/pdf/binge03.pdf





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mange@merde.com



Re: Liberals Want To Bring Soviet Canuckistan's Healthcare Nightmare To The US
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:56:08 -0600, "TruthIsStrongerThanDeceit"
<NotBush@WhiteHouse.Gov> wrote:

>45 million citizens WITHOUT healthcare

No one is preventing them from getting healthcare.

Do you think they walk into an insurance office and Bush is there
saying "No, you can't have insurance".

Typical Democrat demanding that the government do everything for the
lazy, stupid masses.



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TruthIsStrongerThanDeceit



Re: Liberals Want To Bring Soviet Canuckistan's Healthcare Nightmare To The US

<mange@merde.com> wrote in message
news:1i5ik0h8k9q39burhna9n8mq23ei128le0@4ax.com..
> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:56:08 -0600, "TruthIsStrongerThanDeceit"
> <NotBush@WhiteHouse.Gov> wrote:
> 
>
> No one is preventing them from getting healthcare.

Oh and who is giving it to them?

>
> Do you think they walk into an insurance office and Bush is there
> saying "No, you can't have insurance".

No, I think the price of insurance premiums and healthcare is too high for
those living paycheck to paycheck and their employers can't afford to offer
it to them.

>
> Typical Democrat demanding that the government do everything for the
> lazy, stupid masses.

Spoken like someone who doesn't have a clue as to how millions survive in
this country.

Many of the uninsured are working one or two jobs.

5 million more uninsured under the Bush/GOP regime.

Both wages and benefits have declined under your glorious leader.


--
Bush's $10 Trillion Borrowing Binge

New projections from the Congressional Budget Office indicate that
continuation of President Bush's budget policies will triple the national
debt by the end of fiscal 2013. Left unchecked, Bush's reckless approach to
fiscal policy will saddle our children with an additional $10 trillion in
debt just ten years from now.

http://www.ctj.org/pdf/binge03.pdf






Old Post 09-16-04 03:06 AM
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mange@merde.com



Re: Liberals Want To Bring Soviet Canuckistan's Healthcare Nightmare To The US
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:28:31 -0600, "TruthIsStrongerThanDeceit"
<NotBush@WhiteHouse.Gov> wrote:

>No, I think the price of insurance premiums and healthcare is too high for
>those living paycheck to paycheck and their employers can't afford to offer
>it to them.

So the issue is not that Bush "stole health innsurance" from them, but
rather the cost of health insurance??

Maybe if people like John Edwards don't steal through litigation
billions of dollars from the medical industry, these people could
afford insurance.

Don't blame Bush for what Edwards does!!



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ouroboros rex



Re: Liberals Want To Bring Soviet Canuckistan's Healthcare Nightmare To The US

<mange@merde.com> wrote in message
news:66lik0t5q1uu91djos6hng87f8jrs4ep6a@4ax.com..
> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:28:31 -0600, "TruthIsStrongerThanDeceit"
> <NotBush@WhiteHouse.Gov> wrote:
> 
>
> So the issue is not that Bush "stole health innsurance" from them, but
> rather the cost of health insurance??
>
> Maybe if people like John Edwards don't steal through litigation
> billions of dollars from the medical industry, these people could
> afford insurance.
>
> Don't blame Bush for what Edwards does!!

Sorry, little liar, health care costs have gone up 40% under Bush.  Your
attempt at saying that juries of American citizens are to blame is laughable
in the extreme.





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Mel



Re: Liberals Want To Bring Soviet Canuckistan's Healthcare Nightmare To The US
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:56:55 -0500, "ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu>
wrote in message <cic9jn$qa5$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu>:
> Sorry, little liar, health care costs have gone up 40% under Bush.

and the next massive asteroid to hit Earth will also be Bush's fault. LOL

vote for Bush!

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Mel the Defiler
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Old Post 09-17-04 12:10 AM
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GP of ATJ



Re: Liberals Want To Bring Soviet Canuckistan's Healthcare Nightmare To The US

"Mel" <mel@atj.fag.com> wrote in message
news:cfcjk0hmdrdvj7hugi569gromlg8hp347p@4ax.com..
> On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:56:55 -0500, "ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu>
> wrote in message <cic9jn$qa5$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu>: 
>
> and the next massive asteroid to hit Earth will also be Bush's fault. LOL

it'd be even worse if you jumped out of a plane with your fat XXX fag boy.

>
> vote for Bush!

still trying to cover up what you said a couple of years ago fag boy?

A pious man who had reached the age of 105 suddenly
stopped going to synagogue. Alarmed by the old fellow's
absence after so many years of faithful attendance the Rabbi
went to see him.

He found him in excellent health, so the Rabbi asked, "How
come after all these years we don't see you at services
anymore?"

The old man looked around and lowered his voice. "I'll tell you,
Rabbi," he whispered. "When I got to be 90, I expected God to
take me any day. But then I got to be 95, then 100, then 105.
So I figured that God is very busy and must've forgotten about
me, and I don't want to remind Him!"


>
> --
> smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
> Mel the Defiler
> member, ATJ regs
> webmaster of atjfag.com
> http://www.atjfag.com/
>
> Fag Town news
> http://adderleystreet.co.za/capetown/





Old Post 09-17-04 09:06 AM
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Gactimus



Re: Liberals Want To Bring Soviet Canuckistan's Healthcare Nightmare To The US
"GP of ATJ" <GP_of_ATJ@NoFagBoysAllowed.Com> wrote in
news:414aa3c9$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net:

> "Mel" <mel@atj.fag.com> wrote in message
> news:cfcjk0hmdrdvj7hugi569gromlg8hp347p@4ax.com..
> 
>
> it'd be even worse if you jumped out of a plane with your fat XXX fag
> boy.
> 
>
> still trying to cover up what you said a couple of years ago fag boy?

Fag lame noted.



Old Post 09-17-04 12:06 PM
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Ray Fischer



Re: Liberals Want To Bring Soviet Canuckistan's Healthcare Nightmare To The US
Gactimus  <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
>There are few things that get liberals more excited than the idea of
>socializing medicine. Just imagine all the new regulations they could use
>to boss people around, all the new government workers who'd probably vote
>Democratic, how much they could raise taxes, and the enormous growth of
>government that'd result. It's like the holy grail of liberalism!

The neocon sucker is too stupid to realize that he pays more and gets
less than people in countries that have socialized health care.

He'd rather believe his corporate masters.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net




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