 Re: About consciousness = (To have an EGO) = (feeling of - I ness)
"Puma" <sesli.atbisey@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> When I saw the statement of """"Consciousness exists without the brain
> or mind. It underlies all
> existance (sic; should be 'existEnce').
> Everything that exists, all manifest, relative existance has
> consciousness.""" I wonder how one could know that consciousness
> exist without the brain? and furthermore how one can state that
> relative existance has consciousness?
>
> Here there are two possibilities:
>
By experiential research. By acheiving union..By attaining Yoga.
When pure consciousness is permanently established within the very core of
our being, within the very heart of every aspect of our manifest, personal,
physical structure, there are no longer any boundaries between self and
Self. In the reality of pure consciousness, there are no labels, and nothing
to label. There is no separation or duality of self and other. There is only
Unity Consciousness or the union of Yoga..."I Am That" Pure Unbounded
Consciousness..."Thou
Art That" Pure Unbounded Consciousness... "All This Is That" Pure
Unbounded Consciousness.
> 1-The claimer might think that consciousness has no definition! They
> don`t see that ( Feeling of I-ness ) is the consciousness, Or EGO
> is the consciousness..
Consciousness contains all relative expression of itself as unmanifest
potential.
Ego is only a small, limited expression of the unlimited, unbounded, pure
absolute consciousness that permeates, saturates and initiates all
existEnce...
Everything that has existEnce is a manifest, material expression of
consciousness on the relative level of being.
Consciousness is selfsufficient unto itself. It is the vast ocean of pure
awareness. In its purest form, consciousness remains at rest within the
experiences of its own self ..it is simply in union within its own state of
being...I am that..Thou art that...All this is that.
When consciousness begins to flow, it expresses itself as intelligence. This
intelligence is what gives rise to all manifest creation and maintains the
relative state of being as the fulfilment of its own pure potential.
Everything that exists is an expression of consciousness to some degree.
Else it would not have the the intelligence to maintain its relative state
of being. A rock has intelligence. It knows how to be a rock. On the level
of union, everything is united on the level of consciousness. Consciousness
is the destroyer of ego...the more aware we become, the more we see the
absolute quality of "That" which permeates all existEnce. Pure consciousness
transcends boundaries of the small, personal self and opens our eyes to
truly see, cognize, know and attain union.
>
> or, The claimer might think that,
>
> 2-Consciousness has been accepted as a permenant existance without
> having any feeling of ( I -ness )
>
> If we are on the path of YOGA,,, we have to inquire, if it is possible
> to have a consciousness without
> having any brain? Even only brain is not enough,,, we all have to have
> a complete alive body and together with its all the sense organs..Even
> this is not enough, to have an open consciousness, it also requires to
> have the brain working with its all complete functions. Even more
> needed,,,we also need
> to have a working neuro-system..Even this is not enough,,,we also have
> a healthy mind..because if mind is not healthy,,, it is possible to
> have broken a consciousness into several pieces within the same body,
> as it is the case in schizophrenics..
Looking at consciousness from the limited perspective of personal ego
identity, we can only see the expressions of consciousness that are within
the boundaries of our limited awareness. If we try to measure it or identify
it from the level of intellect, we come up short because we are using a lens
that can not see into the infinite, absolute nature of consciousness.
We must refine our perceptive ability, our cognitive awareness and our
experiential capacity to be able to open ourselves to become intuned within
the majesty of consciousness just as the early Vedic seers and rishis were
able to do. We have developed all kinds of paths and techniques to bring us
to this state of union. Experiencing this refined state of cosmic union, we
can see that same quality of being within all things. We can see beyond the
gross, relative state of being and know "That" which all this is.
>
> Upto now,,, no one has ever determined a consciousness without having
> all the above mentioned requirements.. I never met a stone indicating
> its consciousness,,,even plants are said and that they have no
> consciousness,,,as they have no brain and no neuro-system.. (But I
> personly know some plants that they have a imitative talent ..And I
> have a feeling that they have different type of
> behaviors than animals.But I am not sure, if their behavors are good
> enough to accept that they have a consciousnes.)
>
> Here many times, I meet words, regarding EGO as if, it was a very bad
> thing to have,,,EGO IS our consciousness,,,EGO is the reason of our
> lives,,,The unwanted part is not EGO, but its use as EGOTISM..So we
> have to be very carefull,,,some claims that if, we leave our EGOS, then
> we will be enlightened or we will realise God or will REALISE
> ourselves!!!
>
> Actually if we leave our EGOS we become a dead body thats it. If we
> want to leave our bad habits it will not our EGOS, but it should be our
> EGOTISM..
>
> So, if any body claims that "Consciousness exists without the brain or
> mind." I certainly and openly invite him/her to prove his/her this
> statement..
>
> Puma
>
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