Thanks for attention ! thanks foe suggesting that book of Sartre ,that I
read.
Question was : Does  meditation REMEMEBERS BEEING ? !!! And then
distinguishes totally from west  filosofy !!! Heidegger would agree this ?
Thanks

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> On 2006-07-21 02:12:52 -0700, "ant" <npkpesae@libero.it> said:
> 
>
> Heidegger's work "Being and Time" represents the philosophic movement
> away from 19th century phenomenology to what Sartre will later term
> existentialism.
>
> Its been a few years since I read it, but if my memory serves me well,
> "forgetting of being" is a criticism of Plato.  Although Heidegger did
> not really understand Plato, its difficult to accept his criticism.  It
> also should be noted that he later repudiated "Being and Time" and
> joined the Nazi party.  If you are truly interested in this concept may
> I suggest Sartre's "Being and Nothingness".  Really a pivotal book as
> Western philosophy merges with eastern.
>
> The term "forgetting about being" is a cumbersome way to be critical of
> 19th century scientific method that pointed to a form of materialism.
> Heideggar found that existence was the ground of subjective experience
> and that this should be the basis for any real ontology of the world.
>
> Rather than talk about this, I have found that meditation does the same
> trick without the expensive words.
> --
> ~Stu
>

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On 2006-07-22 05:20:56 -0700, "ant" <npkpesae@libero.it> said:

> Thanks for attention ! thanks foe suggesting that book of Sartre ,that I
> read.
> Question was : Does  meditation REMEMEBERS BEEING ?

In meditation, we observe the sounds and sights of the world and
understand we are not them.  We go deeper and observe our feelings,
intuitions and thoughts and also understand we are not them.  We
observe our ego (personality) and know that we are not that, with time
we are left with just an observer.  Only being.

Meditation does not so much *remembers* being.  It reveals being.  Pure
being - untouched by thoughts, constructs, illusions, perceptions.
After all *existence* is there, the natural tendency of the mind is to
chop it up into disjointed pieces.  Meditation provides a way to
witness being, as a unified entity.


>  !!! And then
> distinguishes totally from west  filosofy !!! Heidegger would agree this ?
> Thanks

I am not sure if Heideggar would agree with that.  As I mentioned
before he repudiated his claims in "Being and Time", and moved in a
direction of fascism for the rest of his life.  Perhaps if Heideggar
had a positive experience with yoga he would have developed a more
world-centric view and avoided his affiliation with Hitler.  Research
has indicated that yoga, if practiced sincerely and regularly will move
people from ethno-centricism to world-centrism.  But whether Heideggar
would have moved in this direction is speculation.

What is your interest in Heideggar?

The indication is that a number of excellent writers/philosopher's of
the 19th and 20th century would have benefited from meditation.
Philosophers such as Schopenhauer and Nietzshe did not understand
eastern philosophy and where critical in misinformed ways.  A
meditation practice would have solved many of their conflicts.  Wasn't
Husserl's idea of a "bracketed world" really a description of
meditation?  Sartre and Camus certainly pointed in the direction of a
transcendental non-personal spirit, but with out the experience of
meditation, they could not fully express their intuition.  Camus had
plans to travel to india to study this question but was tragically
killed in auto accident before his departure. Imagine existentialism's
transformation with the insights gleamed from meditation.

Perhaps, a better philosopher for you to look at would be a
contemporary fellow named Ken Wilber.  His basic work, "A Brief History
of Everything" is not translated into Italian.  But perhaps you can
find some readings of his to help you with your questions.
http://www.integralworld.net/index..anslations.html

Wilber does a good job of integrating classical western philosophy with
eastern philosophy.
--
~Stu

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