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Harold



Am I nuts ?
Ten years ago the doctor said I have high blood pressure. Take these
pills or die! Today I take 5 pills but the pressure is 120 / 80. Eight
years ago I get a call I have been refused life insurance because of a
high protean count. A biopsy and 2 pints of blood later I have FSGS.

But I am pre dialysis; I have not hit the magic number yet! What ever
that is? I am on the transplant list, but they tell me it may be years
before a kidney becomes available. I am exhausted all the time, half
blind and going deaf. But the doctors tell me I am fine. I wake up
every morning throwing up to start my day. I don't want work to know
how I feel I need my job. Being an office manager helps. I tell my
family I am doing fine. I tell the doctor all is ok, because I do not
want to go on dialysis and I don't him to think I am making myself
sick.

Life is always different with FSGS every pill has a side effect worse
then the one. The steroid faze was great, moon face and round, but I
had great skin. The mood swings were worse then PMS so I was told. So
don't tell me I don't understand a woman's problem. I  have held
my sense of humor or is it depression or mental disease. I feel like
shit all the time but put on a forced smile.

Is it me? I feel alone, no one understands what it is I am going
through or does no one care. I don't know if this is how I should be
feeling at this stage of my disease. There is no one to talk to.  At
this point I don't know if the depression is making me sick. Or is my
sickness is making me depressed. Or is there another diagnosis still to
be uncovered.

I do have a sense of humor in public. But alone I am Jello Am I alone
in these feelings?




Old Post 07-11-06 09:29 PM
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Dave



Re: Am I nuts ?
Harold,

First off, what you are feeling, this depressed all time type of
feeling, is a common occurance in patients that have chronic conditions,
at least in the beginning.  It will take some work, but you can get past
this.

In all likelyhood, the problems you have had with your blood pressure
are the cause of your diminished kidney function.  Keeping your blood
pressure under strict control is your best bet to extend your kidneys'
life.  Your doctor says your pre-dialysis, and I am guessing that he
told you there is a magic number to start dialysis.  For the most part,
numbers do play a role in determining when to start, but how the patient
feels and functions from day to day also is a consideration.  You said
you have been telling the doctor that you are doing well at the same
time  you throwing up every day, which is a definite indicator that your
kidneys are not doing the job. You should tell the doctor this.  He may
change his thought processes a bit.  The exhaustion is also probably the
reduced kidney function, as you are probably anemic, which is a lower
than normal red blood cell count.  This lowers the amount of oxygen that
your blood can carry to your cells, which is why you feel fatigued.
There are medications, such as Epogen and Procrit(actually the same
medicine under different brand names) that will help your boby to
produce more red blood cells, and thus help you to feel less fatigued.
This won't cure the fatigue, but it will reduce it.

As to you continuing to work, this is one of the best things you can do,
and for as long as you can.  It keeps your mind occupied, so you have
less time to worry about what is happening with your health.  Try to
keep it up.

You also said that you put up a front of a good sense of humor.  This is
a tool you can use to help you get past the depression.  You will find
as your life goes on that your true attitude towards what is going on
will affect how you will do physically.  So if you have to get some
professional help, get it. If you are not comfortable with that, ask
your doctor if there is a patient who has adapted well and would be
willing to sort of mentor you, or at least give you somebody to talk to.
Sometimes, just getting your frustrations off your chest makes all the
difference.

Now for a word about the transplant option.  In most places, you are
going to wait for a kidney to become available, perhaps for years.
Unless of course you have a living donor.  The time on the list varies
from person to person and from location to location.  Your local
transplant center should have info on this.  Next point.  Transplant is
not a cure. For the most part, you will outlive a transplant, unless you
are advanced in age when you get it.  There have been transplants that
have last 30 or more years, but if you live long enough, they will all
fail evntually.  For the most part, most people feel pretty good with a
transplant.  Most people also must take many medications.  You take
medicine to protect the kidney, Immunosuppressants.  These have side
effects, which vary from patient to patient and even from transplant to
transplant in the same patient. One side effect that is inevitable is
that the Immuno drugs do damage to the kidney, although usually at such
a slow rate that it is almost undetectable. Many of these side effects
require medication, which in turn can lead to more side effects.  You
need to look at is a each change that occurs is a small hurdle to get
over, or at least to adapt to.  A transplant requires very diligent
attention to taking your medication in the prescribed amounts and at the
required times.  It also requires that the patient learn as much about
their body and keep track and respond to even small changes in the way
one feels.

On the whole, I would opt for transplant ( I've had 2) if available.
Also, once you get on the list, go about your life as if it may not
come, as it very well may not.  Work to get yourself into the best
physical shape you can, as this will help you to cope better with little
problems that are going to occur.  Worying about when the call is going
to come will only lead to you going crazy.

Next thing.  You don't want to go on dialysis.  This is a normal
response.  Who does.  You will, however, likely have to at some point.
My suggestion here is to start now to learn as much as you can about the
different options.  The more you know before you have to do it, the
better time you will have adjusting to it.

Well, have to go now, time for treatment.

Send more messages.  I will try to answer your questions, or just for
somebody to talk to.

Dave
19 years with ESRD.



Old Post 07-12-06 02:28 AM
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Jason Johnson



Re: Am I nuts ?
In article <Xns97FDB886F34D9Somebobysomeplacecom@66.150.105.230>, Dave
<Someboby@someplace.com> wrote:

Harold,

First off, what you are feeling, this depressed all time type of
feeling, is a common occurance in patients that have chronic conditions,
at least in the beginning.  It will take some work, but you can get past
this.

In all likelyhood, the problems you have had with your blood pressure
are the cause of your diminished kidney function.  Keeping your blood
pressure under strict control is your best bet to extend your kidneys'
life.  Your doctor says your pre-dialysis, and I am guessing that he
told you there is a magic number to start dialysis.  For the most part,
numbers do play a role in determining when to start, but how the patient
feels and functions from day to day also is a consideration.  You said
you have been telling the doctor that you are doing well at the same
time  you throwing up every day, which is a definite indicator that your
kidneys are not doing the job. You should tell the doctor this.  He may
change his thought processes a bit.  The exhaustion is also probably the
reduced kidney function, as you are probably anemic, which is a lower
than normal red blood cell count.  This lowers the amount of oxygen that
your blood can carry to your cells, which is why you feel fatigued.
There are medications, such as Epogen and Procrit(actually the same
medicine under different brand names) that will help your boby to
produce more red blood cells, and thus help you to feel less fatigued.
This won't cure the fatigue, but it will reduce it.

As to you continuing to work, this is one of the best things you can do,
and for as long as you can.  It keeps your mind occupied, so you have
less time to worry about what is happening with your health.  Try to
keep it up.

You also said that you put up a front of a good sense of humor.  This is
a tool you can use to help you get past the depression.  You will find
as your life goes on that your true attitude towards what is going on
will affect how you will do physically.  So if you have to get some
professional help, get it. If you are not comfortable with that, ask
your doctor if there is a patient who has adapted well and would be
willing to sort of mentor you, or at least give you somebody to talk to.
Sometimes, just getting your frustrations off your chest makes all the
difference.

Now for a word about the transplant option.  In most places, you are
going to wait for a kidney to become available, perhaps for years.
Unless of course you have a living donor.  The time on the list varies
from person to person and from location to location.  Your local
transplant center should have info on this.  Next point.  Transplant is
not a cure. For the most part, you will outlive a transplant, unless you
are advanced in age when you get it.  There have been transplants that
have last 30 or more years, but if you live long enough, they will all
fail evntually.  For the most part, most people feel pretty good with a
transplant.  Most people also must take many medications.  You take
medicine to protect the kidney, Immunosuppressants.  These have side
effects, which vary from patient to patient and even from transplant to
transplant in the same patient. One side effect that is inevitable is
that the Immuno drugs do damage to the kidney, although usually at such
a slow rate that it is almost undetectable. Many of these side effects
require medication, which in turn can lead to more side effects.  You
need to look at is a each change that occurs is a small hurdle to get
over, or at least to adapt to.  A transplant requires very diligent
attention to taking your medication in the prescribed amounts and at the
required times.  It also requires that the patient learn as much about
their body and keep track and respond to even small changes in the way
one feels.

On the whole, I would opt for transplant ( I've had 2) if available.
Also, once you get on the list, go about your life as if it may not
come, as it very well may not.  Work to get yourself into the best
physical shape you can, as this will help you to cope better with little
problems that are going to occur.  Worying about when the call is going
to come will only lead to you going crazy.

Next thing.  You don't want to go on dialysis.  This is a normal
response.  Who does.  You will, however, likely have to at some point.
My suggestion here is to start now to learn as much as you can about the
different options.  The more you know before you have to do it, the
better time you will have adjusting to it.

Well, have to go now, time for treatment.

Send more messages.  I will try to answer your questions, or just for
somebody to talk to.

Dave
19 years with ESRD.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dave,
EXCELLENT POST. Keep up the great work.
This message is for the original poster:
I suggest that you read this book:
COPING WITH KIDNEY DISEASE--A 12 STEP PROGRAM TO HELP YOU AVOID DIALYSIS"
by Mackenzie Walser, M.D. (nephrologist and professor at a medical college).
I wish you well and my prayers are with Dave and yourself.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Old Post 07-12-06 02:28 AM
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Charles Torrisi



Re: Am I nuts ?
Alot of those feeling you are having are real, and no you are not alone.
However, you should be telling the doctor how you are feeling, but
anyway, the blood tests will tell him also.

My son just went on dialysis in April and up until then, his creatinine
level was at nine, and he was exhausted all the time.  He works until 3
in the afternoon, and after coming home to cut the lawn or do other
chores, he would have to take a nap.  He had gotten so anemic and
nauseous also and what happened is that the impurities that were
supposed to be rid of through the kidneys were toxic in his blood, and
the nutrients that were supposd to be processed by his blood, were being
wasted by kidney malfunction. Its not a good thing for the rest of the
body to be denied these nutrients and more problems can occur.

Anyway, since he has been on dialysis since April, his color has come
back, he feels good, he is not tired, nauseous, has a much higher level
of energy, and working and doing his chores around the house without
stopping to take a rest.
Granted he has to go three times a week for four hours at a time, but he
gives up 12 hours, to gain 156 hours a week back.  His attitude is good,
he has trust in his doctor, and is on the transplant listorll be on it
when he makes his final appointment in August. They are saying a 3-5
year wait.

Try not to be discouraged as best you can.  Its is not definitely an
easy thing to think about, but your family and friends the support group
right here is here to help.  Ange

Have a great day!!




Old Post 07-12-06 07:25 AM
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REP



Re: Am I nuts ?
In article <1152652905.564701.252700@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
"Harold" <Harold@trycotool.com> wrote:

> Is it me? I feel alone, no one understands what it is I am going
> through or does no one care. I don't know if this is how I should be
> feeling at this stage of my disease.

You're not alone. I have FSGS, am nephrotic and am stage 2/3 kidney
failure. I also have a diagnosis of very early diabetic nephropathy and
minimal change disease as well as massive scarring from a
chronic/recurrent kidney infection, which is probably what has put me at
at the level of failure I'm at now (I'm borderline between 2 and 3 - my
serum creatinine is still good, but my GFR is bad and my proteinuria is
horrific).

What's odd about me is that I was dx'd with FSGS in my mid 30s and I've
had very *low* blood pressure (still do) and I'm female. FSGS is usually
found in men with high blood pressure. Then again, I'm a consective
stone former, which is usually also found in men.

I tire very, very easily and the proteinuria makes me prone to serious
infections (I'm still recovering from another bout of cellulitis, fun
*and* attractive). I have the edema associated with nephrotic syndrome,
and my hair is falling out, but aside from that, I don't "look sick"
which does have its upside.

I was never on steroids - I became diabetic after a course for asthma,
and my proteinuria was already nephrotic range when I was dx'd, but I am
on ARBs, 120mg Lasix and Lopid to address the kidney issues.
Unfortunately, FSGS does not respond well to any treatment.

I am not on a list yet - as I said, my serum creatinine is actually
pretty good, it's the other stuff that sucks - but I'm B- so I wonder if
getting on the list would do any good or not!

As for getting depressed about it - it's hard not to sometimes feel
oppresed by a disease there's no treatment for, that has a pretty
certain outcome, and that you're not in control of. I'm usually pretty
morbid when I get bad news, but I try to get over it; I realize that
yes, this sucks for me, but it could be so much worse (this advice is
not recommended for anyone else - just me).

--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather



Old Post 07-12-06 07:25 AM
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Harold



Re: Am I nuts ?
REP wrote:
> In article <1152652905.564701.252700@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
>  "Harold" <Harold@trycotool.com> wrote:
> 
>
> You're not alone. I have FSGS, am nephrotic and am stage 2/3 kidney
> failure. I also have a diagnosis of very early diabetic nephropathy and
> minimal change disease as well as massive scarring from a
> chronic/recurrent kidney infection, which is probably what has put me at
> at the level of failure I'm at now (I'm borderline between 2 and 3 - my
> serum creatinine is still good, but my GFR is bad and my proteinuria is
> horrific).
>
> What's odd about me is that I was dx'd with FSGS in my mid 30s and I've
> had very *low* blood pressure (still do) and I'm female. FSGS is usually
> found in men with high blood pressure. Then again, I'm a consective
> stone former, which is usually also found in men.
>
> I tire very, very easily and the proteinuria makes me prone to serious
> infections (I'm still recovering from another bout of cellulitis, fun
> *and* attractive). I have the edema associated with nephrotic syndrome,
> and my hair is falling out, but aside from that, I don't "look sick"
> which does have its upside.
>
> I was never on steroids - I became diabetic after a course for asthma,
> and my proteinuria was already nephrotic range when I was dx'd, but I am
> on ARBs, 120mg Lasix and Lopid to address the kidney issues.
> Unfortunately, FSGS does not respond well to any treatment.
>
> I am not on a list yet - as I said, my serum creatinine is actually
> pretty good, it's the other stuff that sucks - but I'm B- so I wonder if
> getting on the list would do any good or not!
>
> As for getting depressed about it - it's hard not to sometimes feel
> oppresed by a disease there's no treatment for, that has a pretty
> certain outcome, and that you're not in control of. I'm usually pretty
> morbid when I get bad news, but I try to get over it; I realize that
> yes, this sucks for me, but it could be so much worse (this advice is
> not recommended for anyone else - just me).
>
> --
> "Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
> - Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather

Thanks for the reply!  I felt much better after posting for help.
However your responce was more then clinical. The  touch of humor
between the lines made it personnel. I have needed to vent for some
time now with out a way to do that until now.

After reeding some of the responces to the posted topics I see there
are actors and there players. To the actor,  Live life for yourself.
Some of us would love to have one of your days. This was not ment for
you REP.




Old Post 07-14-06 02:25 AM
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daniel.granot@gmail.com



Re: Am I nuts ?

Yeah, it's not easy.

I am 32 years old and have had renal failure for thirty of those years.

I have had two transplants in those years and when the first one
failed, I had to battle depression for two years.

When the last transplant failed I decided to ask myself what I wanted
out of life with or wothout a functioning kidney and then I asked
myself what I had to do to achieve it.

I came to the conclusion that I still wanted to be independent, full of
energy, happy and looking forward to life.

I looked around me at all the other patients and realised that in order
to do so I would have to OWN my illness and as many aspects of it as
possible.

One thing I have also learnt is to call this problem of mine the friend
I have to tolerate regardless of how much of a pain he is.

People ask me how I deal with regular dialysis taking so much time out
of myn life. Simple. We all go to the toilet, go to bed to sleep,
shower, brush our teeth. Well I have one more thing to do on top of all
of this - dialysis.

Your life is your own. You have to decide for yourself how much of it
you want to own. This doesn't mean things will get easier, but it does
mean that you will get more out of life.

Good luck and feel free to drop me a line.
Harold wrote:
> Ten years ago the doctor said I have high blood pressure. Take these
> pills or die! Today I take 5 pills but the pressure is 120 / 80. Eight
> years ago I get a call I have been refused life insurance because of a
> high protean count. A biopsy and 2 pints of blood later I have FSGS.
>
> But I am pre dialysis; I have not hit the magic number yet! What ever
> that is? I am on the transplant list, but they tell me it may be years
> before a kidney becomes available. I am exhausted all the time, half
> blind and going deaf. But the doctors tell me I am fine. I wake up
> every morning throwing up to start my day. I don't want work to know
> how I feel I need my job. Being an office manager helps. I tell my
> family I am doing fine. I tell the doctor all is ok, because I do not
> want to go on dialysis and I don't him to think I am making myself
> sick.
>
> Life is always different with FSGS every pill has a side effect worse
> then the one. The steroid faze was great, moon face and round, but I
> had great skin. The mood swings were worse then PMS so I was told. So
> don't tell me I don't understand a woman's problem. I  have held
> my sense of humor or is it depression or mental disease. I feel like
> shit all the time but put on a forced smile.
>
> Is it me? I feel alone, no one understands what it is I am going
> through or does no one care. I don't know if this is how I should be
> feeling at this stage of my disease. There is no one to talk to.  At
> this point I don't know if the depression is making me sick. Or is my
> sickness is making me depressed. Or is there another diagnosis still to
> be uncovered.
>
> I do have a sense of humor in public. But alone I am Jello Am I alone
> in these feelings?




Old Post 07-14-06 09:27 PM
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Chuk Goodin



Re: Am I nuts ?
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:00:39 GMT, REP <rep@inanna.com> wrote:
>What's odd about me is that I was dx'd with FSGS in my mid 30s and I've
>had very *low* blood pressure (still do) and I'm female. FSGS is usually
>found in men with high blood pressure. Then again, I'm a consective
>stone former, which is usually also found in men.

I've been reading this group (mostly lurking as my daughter's been doing
reasonably well since her transplant) since 1998, and all this time I
thought you (REP) were male. (I think it was partly your mentions of FSGS
(which my daughter also had) and the stones).

--
chuk



Old Post 07-25-06 09:28 PM
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REP



Re: Am I nuts ?
In article <ea5jk8$9mc$1@morgoth.sfu.ca>, cgoodin@sfu.ca (Chuk Goodin)
wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:00:39 GMT, REP <rep@inanna.com> wrote: 
>
> I've been reading this group (mostly lurking as my daughter's been doing
> reasonably well since her transplant) since 1998, and all this time I
> thought you (REP) were male. (I think it was partly your mentions of FSGS
> (which my daughter also had) and the stones).

Could be my x-face, could be my various diseases, could be the lack of
emoticons and other annoying crap in my posts.. In real life, there's
absolutely no doubt what gender I am!

--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather



Old Post 07-26-06 07:25 AM
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gina



Re: Am I nuts ?

Charles Torrisi wrote:
> Alot of those feeling you are having are real, and no you are not alone.
> However, you should be telling the doctor how you are feeling, but
> anyway, the blood tests will tell him also.
>
> My son just went on dialysis in April and up until then, his creatinine
> level was at nine, and he was exhausted all the time.  He works until 3
> in the afternoon, and after coming home to cut the lawn or do other
> chores, he would have to take a nap.  He had gotten so anemic and
> nauseous also and what happened is that the impurities that were
> supposed to be rid of through the kidneys were toxic in his blood, and
> the nutrients that were supposd to be processed by his blood, were being
> wasted by kidney malfunction. Its not a good thing for the rest of the
> body to be denied these nutrients and more problems can occur.
>
> Anyway, since he has been on dialysis since April, his color has come
> back, he feels good, he is not tired, nauseous, has a much higher level
> of energy, and working and doing his chores around the house without
> stopping to take a rest.
> Granted he has to go three times a week for four hours at a time, but he
> gives up 12 hours, to gain 156 hours a week back.  His attitude is good,
> he has trust in his doctor, and is on the transplant listorll be on it
> when he makes his final appointment in August. They are saying a 3-5
> year wait.
>
> Try not to be discouraged as best you can.  Its is not definitely an
> easy thing to think about, but your family and friends the support group
> right here is here to help.  Ange
>
> Have a great day!!




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