 Re: Yoga (is) Citta Vritti Nirodha
Hi Stu,
As I say your attention is not strong enough..The reason might be
your starting point..
As you are easily at SAMADHI,an exellent state,having many reasons to
forget everything..
DHARANA is CONCENTRATION on the meditation object..
DHYANA is flow of thoughts related to the meditation object.
Why I am repeating these is because you have indicated them in reverse
order due to
your slightly drifted attention.
According to you SAMADHI requires no conditions or some conditiuons
this isnot clear.
""" Lets start simply: Thus from samadhi what is asana? If my spine
is
> erect, my posture secure, aches and pains of life reduced, the body
> becomes a vessel for deeper subtle energies. Samadhi comes with no
> effort.""" Which one comes first is not clear??? FROM SMADHI TO ASANA or FROM ASAN
A TO SMADHI??
But if you are not at SAMADHI that means your posture is not
secure,your body has some pains, your spine is not erect!!! Is that
what should be understood?
So to carry out all the asanas you have to be in SAMADHI..And for you
no problem as you are always easily in that state..
How happy you must be ,,,everytime when your spine erected, all your
pains reduced,deeper subtle energies is like a sea,and you are at
SAMADHI..so simple,so easy..That is what SAMADHI is for you!!
I have heard some unique people having been in Samadhi JUST LIKE
THAT!!!
Without any effort.. You must be one of those lucky people.
Because I can not get in that state so fast and easy..Without any
effort how these incredible people doing so???
Anyway, I clearly understand that we have a long- gap in between our
insights when we turn our lights onto the subjects and objects..We see
different phenomena..
As you easily start from SAMADHI to yoga all the way..Fast and
smooth..
But I myself should walk a long way to reach the unreacheable..
Thanks for your kind info and ideas that you have shared with me.
With compassion,
Puma
Stu wrote:
> On 2006-07-07 06:30:57 -0700, "puma" <sesli.atbisey@gmail.com> said:
>
>
> I do not think you can separate the 8 limbs into discreet parts. As I
> come before yoga I see the ashtanga less as steps in a hierarchy and
> more like an interlocking tapestry of dynamic parts.
>
> In the tradition I was trained, one learned first how to transcend
> effortlessly and spontaneously. One learns the technique, the asan,
> the pranayam and then one practices. With time the constituents of the
> ashtanga come into view with great clarity.
>
> So for me it is important to start with Samadhi. It is from this that
> all subtle phenomenon flow. I understand that this is not the only
> method, but it is the method I have adapted, for better or for worse.
>
> Lets start simply: Thus from samadhi what is asana? If my spine is
> erect, my posture secure, aches and pains of life reduced, the body
> becomes a vessel for deeper subtle energies. Samadhi comes with no
> effort.
>
> Patanjali: 2.48 From the attainment of that perfected posture, there
> arises an unassailable, unimpeded freedom from suffering due to the
> pairs of opposites (such as heat and cold, good and bad, or pain and
> pleasure).
> (tatah dvandva anabhighata)
>
> I could do this for each part of the ashtanga. Each constituent part
> has its relationship with another.
>
> So what of Dayana and Dharana? These two terms do not translate into
> english easily and why should they? It is not like english speakers
> have a history of meditation. But we understand that each of the
> points of the astanga are working their way toward unity.
>
> Dayana, which is usually translated as concentration is an important
> concern. We agree on this meaning of holding steady on an object. For
> without this focus, the mind is like a monkey in a building of windows
> jumping from one window to another. This directed attention will
> attenuate thought. In TM we learn to accept thought as part of the
> practice of concentration. There are two strokes to this cycle. The
> downstroke as we focus on the object of mediation and the upstroke as
> stress is released and we loose concentration to thought.
>
> Dharana, is often translated as meditation, but this is misleading. A
> better translation would be absorption or flow. As the mind settles
> from dayana the object of concentration becomes the event itself.
> Consciousness of the act of meditation dissolves. Only flow remains.
> This energy of being is subtle thought.
>
> So for the meditator in transcendental deep meditation, there is a flow
> of states starting from Pratyahara going within, from dayana, to
> dharana, influenced by panayam, asana and the yamas and niyamas. All
> this expressed and reflected by samadhi. Transcendent of thought. In
> and out, up and through. A flickering flame of movement anchored in
> the steadfast unmanifest state of samadhi.
>
> In my tradition it makes no sense to talk about parts of the astanga
> with out talking about the center of the circle, the tent pole, the
> raison d'etre, samadhi.
>
>
>
> Yes. But you made a comment that mine way was not yogic meditation. I
> am saying that it is as defined by a tradition.
>
>
> Goggle Patanjali. Check out the books on Patanjali. Patanjali is
> interpreted by numerous sages and academics in equally numerous ways.
> Much of his language defies translation. He purposely wrote in a
> poetic form. He might not even be a he, but may very well be a group
> of people.
>
> So how do you know you have the *correct* interpretation?
>
>
> Oh, I read carefully.
>
>
> Pure consciousness. Wakeful awareness lies in a state unfettered by
> cause and effect. It is being, pure and simple.
>
>
> Interesting that you managed to ignore the research I have pointed to
> that demonstrates TM is not trance. This either indicates a form of
> denial on your part, or inability to process the information.
>
>
> Huh? I don't remember seeing fMRI images that indicate that
> relationship. From the research I have read, the pre-frontal cortex
> handles executive functions of cognition. The subconsciousness is
> found all over the body, from that bag of hormones you call the brain,
> to the RNA cells in your big toe.
>
> For more information on this please read, "The Molecules of Emotion" by
> Candice Pert and get back to me.
>
>
> There is more than one truth on more than one level.
> --
> ~Stu
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