Nothing exist outside yourself!?

Hi! I have a course where they say nothing exists outside ourselves. We live in our own personal universes. Like a Matrix where our brains are connected to a "box". This box coordinates everything and makes us experience the same things in our individual universes. 2012 and that cosmic cycle might then be that we evolve away from this box. Self created box perhaps. What do you think about this? Crazy or.. Interesting that they mention the cube. Best wishes

On 2005-12-28 09:28:41 -0800, "omjaroo" <omjaroo@yahoo.com> said: > I vote for crazy :-) > > But then I suppose it depends on whether you can "know" it for yourself > or only through the teachers of the course. > > Jared I am with Jared on this one. Not only is this thesis unsupported by what we observe, but it doesn't make any sense. We know the "self" is a construct. The self functions as a personality model to help us organize the mind. It is in constant flux. Through yoga we learn to settle the mind, and the self ceases to exist, along with the other "mind stuff" (citta). In philosophy, this "matrix" like, brain-in-a-tank thesis is called solipsism. Its a very easy philosophy to dispute, a google search will yield much of the crux of this 19th century invention. If the world was merely a projection of the self, that makes for an extremely poor basis for the world. Like a house built on a foundation of ice. This would be contrary to yoga. Although in yoga there is a philosophy that suggests that consciousness determines the world. And in many ways it does. Much of our interpretation of events, people and things in our lives comes from what we project into the world. For example if we find a person difficult to deal with, much of that difficulty may be coming from our selves. Many times our problems with others arise from intolerance. In yoga we transcend our selves and hopefully in this process is unveiled the deeper interconnected "wholeness" of the world. From this perspective we are working well beyond the confines of "The box". -- ~Stu

Howdy Johan! This sounds like a feeble attempt to explain non-dualism. The only problem with this is that they didn't regress enough. They didn't get past "the mind".. Once you have perceived "the box" you have to think "outside the box!" OK.. The universe is a "projection within the mind" The next step is that "the mind is a projection within the "jiva" (perceived Self.) The "perceived Self" is a projection of Self (aka: Atman)" The next step is that "the Self/Atman is a projection within Brahman." Brahman is "unity." The "mind" gets you past the matter/form. "Jiva" or "individualized living being" gets you past the body/mind limitation as far as it can be imagened. The "Self/Atman" gets you past the time/space limitation. "Brahman" gets you to the ultimate unity. If you wish to investigate further, you might want to look into the concept of "the 5 sheaths" (kosas.) The 5 sheaths are: 1. The gross physical sheath - made and sustained by food. 2. The vital sheath - consisting of the vital forces. 3. The mental sheath. 4. The sheath of intelligence. 5. The sheath of bliss. Once you get past the fifth sheeth you get to unity. -- howdydave This message originated from http://www.yoga-meditation.org

Johan wrote: > Hi! I have a course where they say nothing exists outside ourselves. We li ve > in our own personal universes. Like a Matrix where our brains are connecte d > to a "box". This box coordinates everything and makes us experience the sa me > things in our individual universes. 2012 and that cosmic cycle might then be > that we evolve away from this box. Self created box perhaps. > > What do you think about this? Crazy or.. Interesting that they mention > the cube. > > Best wishes I will vote for crazy..:-( If we are INDEPENDENT beings, we couldn't be talking to each other. No possible relation.. Relation, talking, means DEPENDENCE, or in other terms, origin and consequence. How do you know I exist? Or I don't exist or you don't exist, choose..