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EPIDEMIC OF CORNEAL WEAKENING AFTER REFRACTIVE SURGERY
Many are already aware that patients who received the corneal
refractive surgery RK are experiencing a hyperopic regression due to
thinning and stretching of their surgically weakened corneas. Estimates
range about 40%.

Here is an excerpt and link to a comment posted by Optometrist Dr. Greg
Gemoules who specializes in the treatment of  patients damaged by
refractive surgery by fitting them with rigid gas permeable contact
lenses.

http://www.asklasikdocs.com/forum/main/3821.html
Says Dr. Gemoules:
"Up to 40% of post-RK patients develop progressive hyperopia because of
peripheral corneal ectasia due to the cornea being weakened by the
incisions. Taking away tissue from the periphery, as is done with PRK
or LASIK will not make the cornea any stronger."
DrG
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The trend now is to ablate more tissue in the periphery in an attempt
to reduce spherical aberration that is typically induced by refractive
surgery and is responsible for a portion of the night vision
disturbances and loss of visual quality experience by refractive
surgery patients.

We're just now seeing the long term effects of RK. One would expect
that other corneal refractive surgical procedures, all of which
compromise corneal strength and integrity, will have similar long term
effects.




Old Post 12-13-05 04:03 PM
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Re: EPIDEMIC OF CORNEAL WEAKENING AFTER REFRACTIVE SURGERY
In article <1134479284.499677.95100@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Eye" <eyetooamdamaged@yahoo.com> wrote:

> We're just now seeing the long term effects of RK. One would expect
> that other corneal refractive surgical procedures, all of which
> compromise corneal strength and integrity, will have similar long term
> effects.

Only a complete pessimist who wants everything to turn out badly for
everyone would "expect" that.

--
~RT




Old Post 12-13-05 04:03 PM
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Re: EPIDEMIC OF CORNEAL WEAKENING AFTER REFRACTIVE SURGERY
>We're just now seeing the long term effects of RK. One would expect
>that other corneal refractive surgical procedures, all of which
>compromise corneal strength and integrity, will have similar long term
>effects.

Certainly the problems of corneal weakening attributed to Radial
Keratotomy (RK) are a warning call, but RK is nothing like current
excimer laser assisted refractive surgery. To make such a comparison
is like comparing a bicycle to a Harley.

For those who don't know, RK is the process of making radial
spoke-like incisions at least 90% through the cornea. A central area
of about 3.0mm remains untouched, although techniques vary. The
incisions cause the cornea to collapse due to weakening. This collapse
provides a central flattening of the cornea and reduction in myopia
(nearsighted, shortsighted) vision.

RK was developed in Japan, but popularized in the Soviet Union where
providing the surgery was significantly less expensive than
manufacturing and distributing spectacles. Remember that in the Soviet
system the government provided everything, so glasses were a
government expense. RK had some moderate success in the US, but never
became anywhere nearly as popular as LASIK.

I do not know of any study to back up my observations, but it appears
from anecdotal information that those who had RK with more than 4
full-length incisions are now developing fluctuation in vision
throughout the day and a shift toward hyperopic (farsighted,
longsighted) vision.

This hyperopic shift experienced by some RK patients is doubly
problematic because many patients with RK are past age 40 and are
developing presbyopia - the inability to focus on objects near. The
combination of hyperopia and presbyopia provides poor vision at almost
all distances. Add to that the fluctuation throughout the day and
there are a lot of unhappy RK campers out there.

While some may compare the now emerging problems of RK as a
bellweather of what will happen with LASIK, they ignore many important
facts. Put simply, LASIK, PRK, LASEK, Epi-LASIK, and IntraLASIK are
nothing like RK.

Even at the time of its popularity, organized ophthalmology was very
strongly split on RK. So split that a group of RK surgeons sued the
American Academy of Ophthalmology because of what they perceived as
anti-RK acts by their own organization.

I just returned from the First International Congress on Corneal
Crosslinking in Zurich Switzerland. Crosslinking is a process to
improve the connections between the long strands of fibrils that make
up the cornea. By increasing the links between the strands, additional
stability is created in the cornea. In the US, Corneal Collagen
Crosslinking with Riboflavin is called C3-R. See
http://www.usaeyes.org/faq/subjects/c3-r.htm

The process of C3-R is remarkably simple. The patient lies down and a
speculum holds open the eye lids. Initially the eyes are soaked for
five minutes with riboflavin (vitamin B2) solution (0.1%
riboflavin-5-phosphate and dextran) until riboflavin is present in the
cornea and anterior chamber.

After the riboflavin has permeated the cornea, a 30 minute application
of UVA light (5.4 J/cm2 at 370 nm) to the central 7 mm of the cornea
is applied. UVA light is combined with reapplication of riboflavin
solution every three minutes

Riboflavin has light energy absorption properties and protects the
iris, lens, and retina from the UVA light.

C3-R, developed by Brian S. Boxer Wachler, MD of Beverly Hills, is
similar to the technique described previously by Wollensak et al
except C3-R does not require removal of the corneal epithelium. The
epithelium is the outermost layer of corneal cells. Because the
epithelium remains intact, the patient does not experience significant
discomfort and vision recovery is immediate.

C3-R has been used to provide corneal stability and even an
improvement from the hyperopic shift for RK patients.

Although very new and needing additional study, C3-R and similar
crosslinking has been performed on more than about 500 eyes in Italy,
Germany, Switzerland, Greece, and the United States.

In addition to RK patients, C3-R has been shown to successfully stop
the progression of keratoconus and refractive surgery induced ectasia.
It has been used with Intacs for advanced cases of keratoconus, and
has been used to strengthen thin corneas to allow PRK to resolve
corneal irregularities.

From the many studies presented at the congress in Zurich, it appears
that C3-R can reliably resolve many issues relating to cornea
instability whether they be caused by natural progression of disease
or induced by refractive surgery..however additional study is
warranted.

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org

"Consider and Choose With Confidence"

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org

I am not a doctor.



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Ace



Re: EPIDEMIC OF CORNEAL WEAKENING AFTER REFRACTIVE SURGERY
I read about this too. RK has been obsolete for several years now
because of the bad results. There very well could be something new that
may make lasik almost obsolete. Maybe phakic IOL technology will
improve to the point where its safer and more consisant than lasik plus
IOLs dont even touch your cornea and if IOLs are done right, they
should give vision as good as contact lenses without the discomfort and
drying contact lenses do. There is some long term effects of lasik, ive
seen a number of people regress years after lasik back into myopia due
to corneal bulging or sometimes their eyes just get worse as in an
increase in axial length. This guy PAT on asklasikdocs should have left
his -1.75 and -.75 pescription alone, especially him being 49! Lasik
was not going to help him reduce his dependancy on glasses any further
and he would be needing reading glasses and if he gets overcorrected
like he did, bifocals. Its sad alot of presbyopes take their near
vision for granted and dont understand that a little myopia is their
friend! Now he wants hyperopic lasik. I think he had better leave
things alone before he damages his eyes further




Old Post 12-14-05 06:06 AM
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Re: EPIDEMIC OF CORNEAL WEAKENING AFTER REFRACTIVE SURGERY
mmm..  I don't think it's obsolete for bad results. RK is obsolete
because they got the lasers working  (PRK and LASIK)

A brother of mine and his wife both had RK done for free and they both
got great results from it.

On 13 Dec 2005 17:38:08 -0800, "Ace" <acemanvx@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I read about this too. RK has been obsolete for several years now
>because of the bad results. There very well could be something new that
>may make lasik almost obsolete. Maybe phakic IOL technology will
>improve to the point where its safer and more consisant than lasik plus
>IOLs dont even touch your cornea and if IOLs are done right, they
>should give vision as good as contact lenses without the discomfort and
>drying contact lenses do. There is some long term effects of lasik, ive
>seen a number of people regress years after lasik back into myopia due
>to corneal bulging or sometimes their eyes just get worse as in an
>increase in axial length. This guy PAT on asklasikdocs should have left
>his -1.75 and -.75 pescription alone, especially him being 49! Lasik
>was not going to help him reduce his dependancy on glasses any further
>and he would be needing reading glasses and if he gets overcorrected
>like he did, bifocals. Its sad alot of presbyopes take their near
>vision for granted and dont understand that a little myopia is their
>friend! Now he wants hyperopic lasik. I think he had better leave
>things alone before he damages his eyes further



Old Post 12-14-05 04:01 PM
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Re: EPIDEMIC OF CORNEAL WEAKENING AFTER REFRACTIVE SURGERY
RK is obsolete because it screwed so many people up, like LASIK. Which
is becoming obsolete.

Yeah, and everybody knows somebody who smoked all their life and didn't
get cancer. Doesn't mean it didn't hurt 'em. Doesn't mean smoking isn't
bad for you.
Corneal refractive surgery is bad for eyes. Period. Surgeons know it.
Surgeons should stop doing it.




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Ragnar



Re: EPIDEMIC OF CORNEAL WEAKENING AFTER REFRACTIVE SURGERY
you  are out of your mind

On 14 Dec 2005 13:21:57 -0800, Trulytelling@yahoo.com wrote:

>RK is obsolete because it screwed so many people up, like LASIK. Which
>is becoming obsolete.
>
>Yeah, and everybody knows somebody who smoked all their life and didn't
>get cancer. Doesn't mean it didn't hurt 'em. Doesn't mean smoking isn't
>bad for you.
>Corneal refractive surgery is bad for eyes. Period. Surgeons know it.
>Surgeons should stop doing it.



Old Post 12-14-05 11:01 PM
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Scary Thought



Re: EPIDEMIC OF CORNEAL WEAKENING AFTER REFRACTIVE SURGERY
Brent aka Eye has destroyed the meaning of a original thread over in
Asklasikdocs.com. Here is the original thread:

http://www.asklasikdocs.com/forum/main/3821.html

This thread was all about trying to fix Hyperopia after RK. Nobody in that
thread stated that RK is great. Everyone seems to know why RK creates
progressive Hyperopic eyes. This person just wants a fix to his RK problems
and Dr. Trattler stated that PRK outcomes are coming out good.

Then Brent-Eye steps in as a know-it ALL, see his part in the thread. The
Brent from Wheeling, IL.

Is this Brent-Eye guy a doctor?

This newsgroup sure has its share of misfits. I guess that is why some
boards/lists/newsgroups have moderators.

This newsgroup definately needs to be moderated!

<Trulytelling@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1134595317.864001.272250@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com..
> RK is obsolete because it screwed so many people up, like LASIK. Which
> is becoming obsolete.
>
> Yeah, and everybody knows somebody who smoked all their life and didn't
> get cancer. Doesn't mean it didn't hurt 'em. Doesn't mean smoking isn't
> bad for you.
> Corneal refractive surgery is bad for eyes. Period. Surgeons know it.
> Surgeons should stop doing it.
>





Old Post 12-14-05 11:01 PM
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Ace



Re: EPIDEMIC OF CORNEAL WEAKENING AFTER REFRACTIVE SURGERY
Lasik can treat a wider range of conditions and is more percise than
RK. Would you rather be done with high tech lasers or with a simple
scapal by a skilled surgeon with hopefully a steady hand. Besides RK
wont be good for high myopes like you. RK also has alot more risks than
lasik and its known for poor night vision. Then theres hyperopic shift
with RK. Almost everyone considers RK obsolete in everyway and theres
no arguing when theres wavefront lasik with intralase, the latest tech!




Old Post 12-15-05 06:03 AM
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Trulytelling@yahoo.com



Re: EPIDEMIC OF CORNEAL WEAKENING AFTER REFRACTIVE SURGERY
Oh Ace, refractive surgery HURTS people. We just know more about the
bad things that happen with RK because the procedure has been around
long enough for the long-term effects to be known.

Want to read some material on intralase, the latest tech as you call
it? Check out this link:

http://lasikflap.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=15

P.S. You do remember that wavefront INDUCES distortions in the cornea,
it doesn't remove them.. right?




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