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Re: Why Did "Aids Baby" Eliza Jane Really Die?

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <sbharris@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> Yeah, yeah. Pretty much Duesberg zombism. Who are they going to blame
> for this, if not antibiotics and the medical profession? It would have
> to be themselves.

Yeah, for trusting allopathic medicine

"In the towns with meningitis clusters, there were almost 50% more
prescriptions for antibiotics and nine times more case of the killer disease
than in the low-incidence" towns.  One antibiotic drug, erythromycin, which
is marketed under a variety of brand name and is used as a routine treatment
for sore throats appeard with mysterious frequency or the prescriptions. It
was being used up to four times more often in the towns with the serious
meningitis problem than in the other towns."--Media 1996


>
> SBH
>





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Re: Why Did "Aids Baby" Eliza Jane Really Die?
Robert wrote:
> "JanD" <JanD@insightbb.com> wrote in message
> news:szRkf.597365$x96.451031@attbi_s72..
> 
>
> clinical
> 
>
>
> BVMS Bachelor of Veterinary Medicine and Science
> Master of Veterinary Science (MVSc)
>
> Great I was thinking in terms of DVM.
>
> The Veterinary Pathology Residency Program is a one-year period of
> professional service training, at the end of which, given satisfactory
> performance and mutual interest, the residents generally enter the
> Laboratory Animal and Comparative Medicine Training Program and pursue an
> advanced degree.
>
> Trainees who wish to pursue board certification by the American college of
> Veterinary Pathologists (ACVP) must complete all ACVP training requirement
s*
> and maintain professional skills during the period of training.

http://www.afip.org/acvp/acvpgen.html

> Program Goals:
> This program will provide post-DVM participants with professional and
> clinical experience in veterinary pathology as well as a comprehensive
> overview of a research area and facility. In addition, it will allow
> residents to work toward veterinary board certification in this specialty
> while preparing for the postdoctoral fellowship and graduate school
> programs.
>
> http://www.wfubmc.edu/pathology/tra..et_path_res.htm

The participant in the training program must be a DVM. al-Bayati is not.

> Does he use the word pathologist or do you?
> The research is all toxicology work and animal research.
> I fail to see the expertise at all with this case. No direct connection wh
at
> so ever. He does not determine cause of death in humans on a regular basis
.
> If that's the best they can do is somebody with a masters in vet science a
nd
> somebody with a PhD in something that has written about Vanadium in rodent
s
> or benzene in drinking water then they really need to find something else.
>
> Maybe I should call myself a pathologist.

No, but the rebuttal by Nick Bennett, an MB/Ph.D. (which means that in
addition to his Ph.D., he has a degree in human medicine, since the MB
is the UK acronym for that degeee) and, his Ph.D. thesis concerned the
molecular biology of HIV. He is surely far more of an expert and better
qualified to render an opinion that al-Bayati is.

http://catallarchy.net/blog/wp-cont..rt_on_Eliza.pdf


>
>



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Re: Why Did "Aids Baby" Eliza Jane Really Die?
JanD wrote:
> "Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote in message
> news:s887p194jfha4u052dv0c24jblvskjhk44@4ax.com..
> 
>
>
> Perhaps he could tell us just *where* this search revealed the above?

Dr. Moran stated that he used Google. If you do a Google search, and
read several of the articles, you will see that al-Bayati is a hired
gun. You can read more about his *business* here:

http://www.toxi-health.com/
 
>
> It was YOU who uses the word *slaughtered*, and YOU and others who
> have continued to judge.

For good reason. Yurko is a killer.

> There were literally hundreds of health-care professionals who have made
> judgements otherwise.

Hundreds? I did a search and did not see hundreds. Care to list them?

> The toxicological causes of baby Yurko's death  was vaccine-and-medication
> induced, an overload of drugs and antibiotics.
> The child have been given high doses of sodium bicarbonate and heparin,
> which cause cardiac arrest and internal bleeding and produce symptoms
> similar to SBS.

Pure bullshit.



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Re: Why Did "Aids Baby" Eliza Jane Really Die?
JanD wrote:
> "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> news:Q8Lkf.1592$Kf4.756@fe08.lga..
> 
>
>
> The above by LIAR, Orac!
> 
>
>
> Posted by a disbarred attorney.
>
> Who has EARNED NO respect.
>
> What's more it is a LIE.

A personal attack on me does not disprove the fact that Dr. Bligh-Glover
is a *forensic pathologist* and *deputy coroner* in Ohio, and, is
therefor far more qualified to render an opinion.

> OTOH. Dr. William Bligh-Glover EARNED his respect.
>
> Mark Probert earned none, that is the reason, for his sicko witch hunts.
>
> http://abacus.bates.edu/career/alum..iews/bligh.html
>
> http://www.case.edu/med/anatomy/Bli..ct.htm
l
>
> Measure of Respect
> William Bligh-Glover, MD
>
> http://www.case.edu/med/anatomy/Bli..rch/scires.html
>
> Alumni Interviews. Dr. William Bligh-Glover
> '90 Research Pathologist, university Hospitals of Cleveland. ..

Yes, Dr. Glover is well deservant of respect. I suspect that Jan did not
read what she posted, as all the links support my position.
[vbcol=seagreen] 





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Re: Why Did "Aids Baby" Eliza Jane Really Die?
JanD wrote:
> "Robert" <Robertsononlin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:qOGdnbE-crsXEg7enZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@got.net..
> 
>
>
> Nevertheless,  Dr. Mohammed Al-Bayati is a respected pathologist (PhD) and
 a
> dual board
> certified toxicologist with over twenty-five years experience and over for
ty
> articles published in the scientific and medical literature.

Which do not demonstrate that he has been involved in training or
research that would come close to being the equivalent of a forensic
pathologist and deputy coronor.





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Re: Why Did "Aids Baby" Eliza Jane Really Die?
JanD wrote:
> "HCN" <hcn@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:r9CdnUxzV-EGBA7eRVn-ow@comcast.com..
> 
>
>
>
>
> Nicholas J Bennett MB/Ph.D claims to have a medical degree, I don't see MD
> behind his name.

When one trains in the UK or Australia, one is an MB. Peter Moran and/or
Peter Bowditch explained that many years ago.

> he must be in hiding, a search turns up VERY little.
>
> What's more, the fact that HCN, posted the pdf, most likely means this
> Nicholas J Bennett most likely is a *paid off* witch hunter.

Of course Jan will say that. The fact that al-Bayati has a business
which does that is utterly meaningless to her.

A search under
> his name with the MB/Ph.D turns up very little. WHY would any doctor, use 
MB
> and NOT MD behind his name?

Because he is being accurate!

Read the first two pages of the PDF file of his rebuttal of al-Bayati
and see just who he is.


[vbcol=seagreen]
> Comments on Al-Bayati Report from Dr. Harold E. Buttram, MD, FAAEM
> One expert to comment is Dr. Harold E. Buttram, MD, FAAEM (Fellow of the
> American Academy of Emergency Medicine). He reviewed Al-Bayati's report an
d
> wrote this letter in response:
>
>       October 30th 2005
>       For the past several years I have had the privilege of becoming
> familiar with the work of Dr. Mohammed Ali Al-Bayati through mutually shar
ed
> cases involving alleged parental child abuse in the form of shaken baby
> syndrome (SBS). In these cases, each of us wrote medical reports defending
> parents whom we believed were falsely accused.
>
>       Regarding my own background, in the past six years I have written
> approximately 80 medical reports in defense of parents whom I believed to
> have been falsely accused of violent physical child abuse, largely involvi
ng
> charges of SBS. With few exceptions in these cases, I have observed a
> troubling pattern of abandonment of the usual thoroughness one finds in
> medical centers once suspicions of SBS were raised. In most cases that I
> have reviewed, in my opinion, there have been varying degrees of negligenc
e
> in working through differential diagnoses, sometimes missing the most
> obvious of alternate non-traumatic causes.
>
>       In the present case of the autopsy report on Eliza Jane Scovill, in 
my
> opinion, there is a similar pattern; that is, diagnostic assumptions have
> been made based on superficial evaluation with little if any attempt to
> investigate other possible causes of the child's three-week illness
> culminating in death.
>
>       Regarding Dr. Al-Bayati, I consider him to be a master craftsman in 
a
> broad field of medical expertise. His workups are exhaustive and meticulou
s,
> yet plainly written so as to be accessible to reasonably educated
> non-medical people. He makes no statements or claims that he does not
> document in the medical literature.
>
>       In the case of Eliza Jane Scovill, I first reviewed the autopsy
> report, which did in fact give rise to personal concerns and doubts.
> However, after going through Dr. Al-Bayati's report point-by-point, he put
> all doubts to rest. There is no question in my mind that his report
> accurately describes the true causes in the death of Eliza Jane Scovill.
>
>       Harold E Buttram, MD, FAAEM
>       Quakertown, PA, USA
>
>
> Comments from Dr. Andrew Maniotis
> Dr. Maniotis is a Professor of Pathology and Program Director in the Cell
> and Developmental Biology of Cancer at the university of Illinois at
> Chicago.
>
>       November 21st 2005
>       Dear Ms. Maggiore:
>
>       I read Dr. Al-Bayati's report this weekend with a magnifying lens. I
> analyze many similar reports in the course of a single week, as I am a
> Professor of Pathology at UIC in the heart of Chicago, at one of the natio
n's
> largest medical schools.
>
>       What I can say about the quality of the report - its thoroughness,
> insights, the examples chosen to present as differential diagnosis - is th
at
> it is perhaps one of the most thorough, if not the most thorough, and
> well-studied investigations I have ever seen. If only more pathologists
> could study Dr. Al-Bayati's logical and scientific methodology more
> carefully, there would be little need for inquests, malpractice, fraud, an
d
> certainly less medical error in autopsies, diagnosis, treatment, or critic
al
> care practices.
>
>       I would only emphasize something in the report that Dr. Al-Bayati
> developed quite adequately himself from a technical standpoint by his
> stating and showing how the independent neuroconsultant didn't perform the
> proper controls for the p24 staining of the microglia and neurons. It shou
ld
> not escape the attention of the reader, especially those readers not
> familiar with the technicalities of the language of these kinds of reports
,
> that the detection of the p24 antigen is not in any way diagnostic of the
> presence of HIV, or any other virus or pathogenic state that I am aware of
.
> Positive staining for p24 in this case, as in all cases in the published
> literature, is without scientific basis since positive staining can be fou
nd
> also in normal tissues and contexts, as Dr. Al-Bayati suggests by pointing
> out that the proper p24 controls were not performed in the LA coroner's
> report.
>
>       I wish you the very best, and hope with all of my being that this
> horrible state affairs that you and your family have been subjected to, du
e
> to the incompetent and mindless analysis done by the original LA coroner a
nd
> their consultant, ends as soon as possible.
>
>       I state unequivocally that Dr. Al-Bayati's analysis and report
> represent the state of the art in terms of methodology, completeness, and
> accuracy, and should be presented in the textbooks as models of how to do 
a
> differential diagnosis.
>
>       Andrew Maniotis, PhD.
>       Program Director in the Cell and Developmental Biology of Cancer,
>       3370 Molecular Biology Research Building,
>       Department of Pathology, Anatomy and Cell Biology, and Bioengineerin
g,
>       1819 West Polk Street, Room 446, (MC 847)
>       university of Illinois at Chicago, Chicago, IL 60612, USA
>
>
> 

Neither of whom are certified in forensice pathology.



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Re: Why Did "Aids Baby" Eliza Jane Really Die?

john wrote:
> "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <sbharris@ix.netcom.com> wrote in mess
age 
>
> Yeah, for trusting allopathic medicine


But that's the point. They don't trust allopathic medicine. So they
should stick to their guns, and not see doctors when they become ill.
Which Maggiore is bound to, eventually.

But you know what will happen instead. Just as in this case, she'll get
pneumcystis pneumonia and show up at the hospital, blue and asking for
help. THEN her husband will blame ANY antibiotic she is given, for why
she doesn't get better, or dies.

Better that these people had the courage of their convictions and
stayed the hell home. Heath nuts who blame medicine for disease NEED to
stay home, so they can feel properly stupid, dying of nothing. Instead
they wus-out, come to the medical profession in extremis, and finally
blame the treatment. That's the entire story of AIDS deniers. They all
die, but they all pretend it's the doctors that are to blame.

SBH




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Re: Why Did "Aids Baby" Eliza Jane Really Die?
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com wrote:
> john wrote:
> 
>
>
>
> But that's the point. They don't trust allopathic medicine. So they
> should stick to their guns, and not see doctors when they become ill.
> Which Maggiore is bound to, eventually.
>
> But you know what will happen instead. Just as in this case, she'll get
> pneumcystis pneumonia and show up at the hospital, blue and asking for
> help. THEN her husband will blame ANY antibiotic she is given, for why
> she doesn't get better, or dies.
>
> Better that these people had the courage of their convictions and
> stayed the hell home. Heath nuts who blame medicine for disease NEED to
> stay home, so they can feel properly stupid, dying of nothing. Instead
> they wus-out, come to the medical profession in extremis, and finally
> blame the treatment. That's the entire story of AIDS deniers. They all
> die, but they all pretend it's the doctors that are to blame.

Maggiore and her husband are precisely what you describe. In a way, I
hope that we do see the bird flu jump species and a good vaccine is
developed for it. Then, those anti-vacs will stick to their guns and not
get vaccinations, and prove Darwin is correct.





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Re: Why Did "Aids Baby" Eliza Jane Really Die?

"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote in message
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> "JanD" <JanD@insightbb.com> wrote:
> 
>
> It was a court in Florida which recorded a verdict of manslaughter.
> Except this time it was baby slaughter.

It was YOU who uses the word *slaughtered*, and YOU and others who have
continued to judge
> 
>
> There are mad people and people with agendas in every walk of life.

Like Peter Bowditch and his LYING websites.

> Why is it that these "health-care professionals" can be believed but
>others can't?

Vaccination LIARS stick together, just like the *gang* members do here.
> 
>
[snip stupid tactics, similar to there is no such thing as no such thing
mercury amalagam, ZZzz]

[snip the repeated as well]
>
> --
> Peter Bowditch





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Re: Why Did "Aids Baby" Eliza Jane Really Die?

"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote

[snip all diversions, off topic]

> "JanD" <JanD@insightbb.com> wrote:
> 
> --
> Peter Bowditch





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