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in Buddhism there is no KUNDALINI affair..

Hi Jazzymike,


Pleas kindly be informed that neither in Buddhism nor in Zen, there is
no KUNDALINI AFFAIR.

So I suspect about this huy who has uses name of RAMA that if he really
knows about it!!!

With compassion,

Puma

jazzymike108@yahoo.com wrote:
> Organized Quotations on Meditation Instruction, Buddhism and Mysticism.
>
> By Rama, Dr. Frederick Lenz
>
> Main Page:
>
> http://www.ramaquotes.com/index.html
>
> Chakra Meditation:
>
> http://www.ramaquotes.com/html/chakra_meditation.html
>
> *******************************************************************
>
> The key to meditation is focusing on specific symbols.  The symbols are
> the chakras.
>
> When you focus on a chakra, it's very easy to bring subtle physical
> energies into your consciousness.
>
> Each of the seven chakras references different dimensional planes.  It
> is a turnstile that leads us into different dimensions.
>
> As the kundalini rises, the knowledge and powers of those dimensions
> will begin to come to you.
>
> In Buddhism we meditate.  We make our minds quiet by learning to focus
> on the chakras, release internal energy that we call kundalini, and
> bring ourselves into high states of consciousness.
>
> By fully focusing your mind on your chakras, stilling your thoughts,
> and increasing your kundalini flow, you can rise above your body
> consciousness and unite your mind with the clear light of nirvana.
>
> Start meditating with your eyes open, focusing as a warm-up, then focus
> on a chakra, then just let go and merge.  Don't sit there and think or
> move into sleepy states of awareness, but move into high-powered states
> of attention.
>
> Close the eyes, and focus on the third eye, the heart chakra, or the
> navel center.  It is a good idea to alternate them.
>
> For the first few years, it's most beneficial to meditate on the heart
> chakra.  The heart chakra, called the anahata chakra in Sanskrit, is
> located in the center of the chest, dead center. If you  focus there
> you will feel a warm and tingling sensation.
>
> The heart chakra is the central chakra; it is the best chakra to
> meditate on for the first five or ten years of your meditative
> practice.
>
> The heart chakra is the chakra of love and purity.  Meditating on this
> chakra each day will give  you humility, purity, and spiritual balance.
>
> The heart chakra is located in the center of your chest.  Hold your
> right or left hand out.  Now say "Me" and, as you do so, touch your
> chest.  You will automatically touch your heart chakra.
>
> Close your eyes and simply "feel" the spot your finger is touching.
> Then, after a couple of minutes, let your hands down.  Continue to hold
> your attention on the spot just as you did when your finger was there.
>
> Sensations of peace, joy, and love will enter into you.  They will be
> very subtle at first.  Then they will grow stronger.
>
> After two or three sessions of meditating on your heart chakra, it will
> no longer be necessary for you to physically touch your chest.  You
> will sense the spot automatically.
>
> Your heart chakra is not in your physical body.  It is in your subtle
> physical body, but it comes in contact with your physical body in this
> location.
>
> Practice meditating on the heart chakra. This is only one of them, but
> it's quite good for the first few years of your meditative practice.
>
> Focus your awareness on the heart chakra.  As you do, you will feel
> your consciousness shifting. You may feel different perceptions of
> energy in different parts of your body.
>
> As you focus your attention on the heart center, you will begin to feel
> your thoughts slowing down. You'll begin to feel your mind becoming
> calm and quiet.  They won't bother you.
>
> Focus on the heart center and feel love.  There is a flower there, but
> it's like a rose folded up. As you meditate, feel that the flower is
> opening . Each time you open a set of petals you're going deeper into
> eternal awareness.
>
> Focus on the center of the chest, relax. Imagine a rose there.  Feel it
> unfolding.  Let yourself go and ignore your thoughts.
>
> Visualize a beautiful rose in the center of your chest.  Imagine a soft
> reddish rose.  Imagine that the rose is completely folded up.
> Visualize the first set of petals is gradually unfolding.
>
> There is no end to the petals of the inner rose.  Continue to unfold
> set after set of petals until you have completed your meditation
> session.
>
> To become balanced, meditate on the heart center in the center of the
> chest.  There you will experience happiness, refinement, sensitivity,
> beauty, laughter.
>
> Power comes from the navel center.  If you meditate for an hour or so a
> day and you focus on that sphere, you will release a tremendous power
> that will enter your body.  We call it the chi.
>
> I recommend, initially, if you are trying to increase your personal
> power level, to meditate on the navel center, not the lower two.  Later
> on in the enlightenment cycle, it is necessary to learn how to go out
> and surf some bigger waves.
>
> It is not advisable for persons who are in the early stages of
> meditation to mediate on the two lower chakras. You will unleash powers
> and forces that will throw you into very powerful altered state of
> consciousness that might not be pleasant at all.
>
> The unlocking of the kundalini, which occurs by meditating on the
> first, second and third chakras, is the entrance into the planes of
> power.  There can be very powerful releases of energy that can catch
> you off guard until you have a better sense of what you are doing.
>
> The navel center will bring the power of all three of the lower chakras
> into your being, but with safety.
>
> Focus your attention around the naval area, feel that spot.  Visualize
> it.  Do whatever it takes.  When thoughts come in and out of your mind,
> pay no attention.  You just stay right on that spot!
>
> One doesn't actually meditate on the navel.  The chakra is located
> about two or three inches below the navel, at that point there is an
> energy access sphere in the middle of the body.
>
> To become powerful, to develop will, meditate on the naval center.
>
> If you are going to experience the ecstasy of enlightenment, it is not
> just going to be a phrase.  You've got to work during meditation.  So
> back to the navel center!
>
> Move the kundalini from the solar plexus region into the heart center,
> which purifies it and connects the two halves of you being.  Bring the
> kundalini down again from the heart center to the navel center.
>
> Enlightenment is to be outside the circle, the circle of death and
> rebirth.  There is a circle inside you. If you meditate and focus on
> your third eye, you will see a circle of light.
>
> To become wise, meditate on the third eye, between the eyebrows and a
> little bit above.  Focus on that spot, the Agni chakra.
>
> Focus your attention on the center of your forehead.  Visualize that
> there is a slow but steady swirl of white light there.  Visualize that
> the white light above your forehead is slowly moving in a clockwise
> direction.
>
> Visualize the soft white light continuing to expand as it gently swirls
> around, until it has filled the earth, the sky, the universe, and all
> of infinity.
>
> If meditate on the third eye and have headaches it means you are trying
> to pull in too much power from the occult chakra.  The danger is
> obsession.
>
> You can take the kundalini from the crown center and bring it down.
> You can bring it up or you can stabilize them both.  When you stop
> breathing in meditation, the kundalini is stabilized.
>
> The kundalini is raised or brought down.  It can be done in several
> different ways, and as it moves to the different chakras or energy
> centers in the subtle physical body, it endows one with various powers.
>
> Focus your attention on the top of your neck.  Take that energy and
> transmit it in two lines to your hands.  Then from the hands, bounce
> that energy right back to the heart center and ground it.
>
> What we are doing is taking an occult energy; it's amplifying in the
> chakras and the hands.  Then we are neutralizing it and spreading it
> through the being.
>
> As the prana current and the kundalini and different energies begin to
> move through you, you will feel yourself moving and rocking.  Keep the
> body still, otherwise that energy will be lost as it expresses itself
> through the physical.
>
> Even if you are focusing on a chakra, you don't want to do that for the
> whole period of meditation. There should be a point where you let go.
> Settle down. Get off the train of thought for a while.
>
> - Rama
>
> www.ramaquotes.com




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Re: in Buddhism there is no KUNDALINI affair..
puma,

All meditation/concentration/visualization/mantra exercises release a
tremendous amount of energy, tumo, chi, kundalini, lun, whatever you
want to call it.  This energy is used to transmute raise one's level of
attention and go into higher states of consciousness.  The Six Yogas of
Naropa, Great Symbol Yoga, and Mahamudra, generate so much energy it
will reconfigure yourself at a very deep level.  I recommend "Tibetan
Yoga and Secret Doctrines", by W.Y. Evans-Wentz.  Rama, Dr. Frederick
Lenz was an expert in the generation and use of the kundalini, and a
Zen Master.  Rama's books "Surfing the Himalayas" and "Snowboarding to
Nirvana" explain much more about Buddhist philosophy and meditation
techniques.

jazzy




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Crowfoot



Re: in Buddhism there is no KUNDALINI affair..
In article <1131755056.467257.258620@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
jazzymike108@yahoo.com wrote:

> puma,
>
> All meditation/concentration/visualization/mantra exercises release a
> tremendous amount of energy, tumo, chi, kundalini, lun, whatever you
> want to call it.  This energy is used to transmute raise one's level of
> attention and go into higher states of consciousness.  The Six Yogas of
> Naropa, Great Symbol Yoga, and Mahamudra, generate so much energy it
> will reconfigure yourself at a very deep level.  I recommend "Tibetan
> Yoga and Secret Doctrines", by W.Y. Evans-Wentz.  Rama, Dr. Frederick
> Lenz was an expert in the generation and use of the kundalini, and a
> Zen Master.  Rama's books "Surfing the Himalayas" and "Snowboarding to
> Nirvana" explain much more about Buddhist philosophy and meditation
> techniques.
>
> jazzy

Um -- you do know that Lenz also has the rep of having
been a fraud and a kook who used his "teachings" to bed
hot babes, don't you?  This guy was no Zen master, to
some (including my 'umble self), only a master of bunkum
and cult-building who finally committed suicide because
he had -- as I recall -- cancer or some similar irreversible
illness.  Offing yourself to avoid pain doesn't strike me as
the behavior of a Zen master, but hey, what do I know?

Just another opinion.  Google the man's name for further
and more detailed info.



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Re: in Buddhism there is no KUNDALINI affair..
Crowfoot,

I am aware of Rama's reputation created by the media and a few hate
groups.  I studied with Rama for many years and can honestly state that
he taught many forms of Buddhism with a great deal of clarity and
humor.  His explanations of traditional Buddhist concepts and
techniques made a great deal of sense to me and made these somewhat
obscure concepts very clear.  Rama left his earthly body when it was
near its end.  If someone wants to find out more about Rama, Dr.
Frederick Lenz, then check out www.fredericklenz.com and
www.fredericklenzfoundation.org.

Rama was against cults:

http://www.ramaquotes.com/html/crit.._and_media.html

Suicide and Buddhism is not as cut and dried as you may think it is:

http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma/suicide.html

jazzy




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Azure



Re: in Buddhism there is no KUNDALINI affair..


Crowfoot wrote:
>
> In article <1131755056.467257.258620@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>  jazzymike108@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
Offing yourself to avoid pain doesn't strike me as[vbcol=seagreen]
> the behavior of a Zen master, but hey, what do I know?
>
Thought on that subject only here.
I am not so sure, think about it.
The road is learning from eternal strife.
The pain can be overwhelming.
How strong can one person actually be all alone, facing terminal odds,
with the pure knowledge which comes from never ending struggle with the
eternal strife.
Think about it!



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Crowfoot



Re: in Buddhism there is no KUNDALINI affair..
In article <1131758889.704372.156770@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
jazzymike108@yahoo.com wrote:

> Crowfoot,
>
> I am aware of Rama's reputation created by the media and a few hate
> groups.  I studied with Rama for many years and can honestly state that
> he taught many forms of Buddhism with a great deal of clarity and
> humor.  His explanations of traditional Buddhist concepts and
> techniques made a great deal of sense to me and made these somewhat
> obscure concepts very clear.  Rama left his earthly body when it was
> near its end.  If someone wants to find out more about Rama, Dr.
> Frederick Lenz, then check out www.fredericklenz.com and
> www.fredericklenzfoundation.org.
>
> Rama was against cults:
>
> http://www.ramaquotes.com/html/crit.._and_media.html
>
> Suicide and Buddhism is not as cut and dried as you may think it is:
>
> http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma/suicide.html
>
> jazzy

Also, just for balance, these sites about people who knew and
studied with him too:

http://skepdic.com/rama.html

http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/rama-appendix-1.html

etc.  Google knows all -- including lots of praise-sites for Lenz
set up by his followers.   IMO it's the abuse and exploitation of
women followers (in the guise of helping them progress
spiritually) that marks this guy as a cult-meister.  In any case,
there are lots of much less compromised and adulterated
sources of Zen info out there, so why settle for someone so
questionable?



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Re: in Buddhism there is no KUNDALINI affair..
In article <437559EB.335F0015@pharae.org>, Azure <tain@pharae.org>
wrote:

> Crowfoot wrote: 
>  Offing yourself to avoid pain doesn't strike me as 
> Thought on that subject only here.
> I am not so sure, think about it.
> The road is learning from eternal strife.

From one site (not a friendly one, granted):

" . . . the day before taxes were due in 1998, Rama drowned in
Conscience Bay near his residence in the exclusive Old Field section of
Setauket on Long Island, New York. Rumor has it that he was stoned when
he fell off the dock. An unidentified woman described by police as
''incoherent'' was found to be in Lenz's house at the time his body was
recovered by police divers. Lenz was 48 at the time of his death. Cult
expert Joe Szimbart claims that Lenz was suffering from liver cancer and
committed suicide by overdosing on Phenobarbital (Skeptical Inquirer,
July/August 1998). The Suffolk County Medical Examiner's office said it
was Valium. Either way, Rama snowboards with the fishes."

"Rumor has it" isn't very reassuring and the Skeptical
Inquirer is sometimes off-the-wall-nuts, but this was
what I read in newspaper reports of this event too.



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Crowfoot



Re: in Buddhism there is no KUNDALINI affair..
Damn, sorry folks -- did not mean to post this twice.
I'm not on a vendetta here, just doing too much
multi-tasking . . .




In article <pagemail-634A01.20195511112005@iruka.swcp.com>,
Crowfoot <pagemail@swcp.com> wrote:

> In article <437559EB.335F0015@pharae.org>, Azure <tain@pharae.org>
> wrote:
> 
>
> From one site (not a friendly one, granted):
>
> " . . . the day before taxes were due in 1998, Rama drowned in
> Conscience Bay near his residence in the exclusive Old Field section of
> Setauket on Long Island, New York. Rumor has it that he was stoned when
> he fell off the dock. An unidentified woman described by police as
> ''incoherent'' was found to be in Lenz's house at the time his body was
> recovered by police divers. Lenz was 48 at the time of his death. Cult
> expert Joe Szimbart claims that Lenz was suffering from liver cancer and
> committed suicide by overdosing on Phenobarbital (Skeptical Inquirer,
> July/August 1998). The Suffolk County Medical Examiner's office said it
> was Valium. Either way, Rama snowboards with the fishes."
>
> "Rumor has it" isn't very reassuring and the Skeptical
> Inquirer is sometimes off-the-wall-nuts, but this was
> what I read in newspaper reports of this event too.



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Re: in Buddhism there is no KUNDALINI affair..
>Damn, sorry folks -- did not mean to post this twice.
>I'm not on a vendetta here

You sound like you are.  I also think its funny how you play nice.

In pluralistic, democratic societies, there is the freedom to adopt the
religion of your choice. This is good. This lets curious people like
you run around on the loose!  - Dalai Lama

You seem to think this is bad, thank god I don't follow your path.




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Ramakrishna Rao



Re: in Buddhism there is no KUNDALINI affair..
In article <1131758889.704372.156770@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
jazzymike108@yahoo.com wrote:

>  I studied with Rama for many years and can honestly state that
> he taught many forms of Buddhism with a great deal of clarity and
> humor.  His explanations of traditional Buddhist concepts and
> techniques made a great deal of sense to me and made these somewhat
> obscure concepts very clear.


And how many forms of Buddhism did you study previous to your studies
with Freddy? What were they? What was the extent of your studies? What
"concepts and techniques" did you not understand from others that he
made clear?

RR



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