 Re: "Bartonella may occasionally be transmitted by ticks"
Paid Steere Plant wrote:
> gotta chime in like a smart XXX-
>
> rednecks {who, let's face it, is really mr. ed}
LOL Well I'll tell you this much you delusional freak, you CLEARLY are
a horse's XXX but I'm NOT "mr ed" but if you prefer to think that
you're engaging in a battle of good and evil with ed mcsweegan, and
that makes you feel important like lisa and kathLOON, then think what
you will you freaking fool!
>mentioned that ~ 80% of
> humans demonstrated exposure to bartonella.
> well, at least that percentage demonstrate exposure to human papilloma
> virus..
And the two aren't comparable. Why even bother with this nonsense
comparing apples and oranges? In fact, your original screed goes on
without noting that the article which began the thread talks about
Bartonella vinsonii subsp. arupensis, rather than bartonella HENSELAE,
and the two are NOT the same just as all borellia are NOT the same YOU
MORON!
> and fauci wants a vaccine for that, because of the resulting ~3000
> cases/year of cervical cancer. while it is unlikely, but not
> demonstrated, that bartonella causes such severe sequelae - the point
> is that an infectious agent to which most people have experienced
> exposure CAN cause dangerous sequelae in a small number of susceptible
> individuals. it is erroneous to assume that commonality of exposure
> equates to presumed harmlessness of the agent involved. this is not
> always the case.
But it IS the case with bartonella henselae, NOT that it is "harmless"
but that it is considered self limited and the value of treatment in
immunocompetent individuals and others NOT susceptible to sequelae is
highly dubious!
Still, IF I were treating a patient and they tested positive, I'd
treat--but for a REASONABLE period of time, NOT like the llmds.
>millions of young woman will soon face mandatory (i
> think) vaccination for precisely this reason. and the FACT is, very
> little is known about bartonella in humans. could it be along the same
> lines as borna virus or the recently discussed spiroplasm? Probably
> not, but if you just close the door without being careful..you could
> impede progress.
No one's trying to impede progress you XXXXXXX!
> also, rednecks ..terrible logical error there in thinking that "if
> lyme were immunocompromising, we would see {an AIDS-like syndrome}..
or
> something of this nature.
IF it were immunoCOMPROMISING yes you would see an AIDS like syndrome
MORON!
Because if the immune system is compromised (you actually used the word
"disabled") then there'd be nothing to fight opportunistic infection!
MORON!
> FACT..the immune system is much more complicated than you give it
> credit for.
FACT: YOU are much more simple minded than anyone can believe!
Look XXXXXXX, once again, I didn't say what you're saying I did, but
YOU did say what I'm saying YOU did and what I was responding to!
I didn't say Lyme doesn't AFFECT the immune system. In fact, I said it
did, exactly I said it did! I just said it doesn't COMPROMISE OR
DISABLE the immune system AND IF IT DID then Lymies would get
opportunistic diseases WHICH IS TRUE but since it doesn't, they don't!
>there are multiple levels at which "compromise" can occur.
YOU said DISABLE and it doesn't do that! And YOU didn't specify at what
level!
A normal person would simply accept the distinction I made and clarify.
But YOU attack in response you psychotic XXXXXXX!
> AIDS is devastating, but it is a retrovirus. lyme, the last time I
> checked, is a spirochete - a bacteria. there are dozens {if not more}
> of different syndromes other than aids which result in
> "immunocompromise".
Look MORON, the important distinction is NOT whether it is caused by a
retrovirus OR a bacteria. The important distinction is that you didn't
MEAN immunoCOMPROMISE or AS YOU ACTUALLY SAID DISABLE THE IMMUNE
SYSTEM.
You MEANT and should have said that Lyme AFFECTS the immune response.
The term IMMUNOCOMPROMISE has a specific meaning in medicine. When we
talk about "immunocompromised patients" (as being susceptible to
serious sequelae of bartonella HENSALAE, we're talking about a specific
inability of the immune system to respond to ordinary infections NOT
specific immune system abnormalities caused by Lyme which are NOT
generally immunocompromising or GENERALLY immunodisabling!
Just accept the apt distinction and move on with your miserable
pathetic excuse for a life JANITOR and stop pretending to be a
microbiologist, doctor, scientist or anything but the JANITOR MENTAL
PATIENT which is all that you really have on your pathetic waste of a
life resume!
>do they all present in exactly the same fashion as
> AIDS? No. lyme has been postulated to be a more chronic, less acute
> infection than full blown aids for an extreme comparison {and obvious
ly
> not as fatal}. how can you be certain that there is not similarly
> "immunocompromise", of a less obvious and thus less detectable and easy
> to understand level?
Because other than the one dubious stricker report about CD57
abnormalities, most Lyme patients do NOT have any quantititive
abnormalities in their immune system and MANY have been tested and
those that DO have abnormalities are NOT attributable to Lyme but to
other conditions!
>you're comparing a dramatic illness, aids, with a
> totally different entity. science is not so cut and dry.
No I'm talking about IMMUNOCOMPROMISE no matter what the cause or your
phrase DISABLE THE IMMUNE SYSTEM the cause doesn't matter.
The distinction would be that it is NOT a GENERAL disabling but perhaps
specific abnormalities result!
> it is far more complex than you give credit.
No IT isn't.
But YOU are!
>simply making ASSumptions like this is what has crippled lyme clinical research in
>humans for the past 15 years.
No, but know it alls who know NOTHING like you and blather on the
internet and would rather fight about what the meaning of the word "is"
is are a BIG part of the problem!
> this is a blanket generalization - of the same sort of fallacy which
> klempner employed when he so stupidly compared borellia species to
> treponema.
Yes that was a stupid thing to say!
By the way, Phyllis, who you praised the other day, was a "patient
representative" on the NIH chronic Lyme disease study. She signed off
on the study design, praised klempner, helped recruit for the study,
tried to silence critics who spoke out at the time, and never went on
record about the problems she later claimed she was aware of!
She's a BIG HELP!
So go on and heap praise on her. She's Neville Chamberlin and you're a
MORON!
>it's not an intelligent thing to say. very arrogant, and
> assumes much knowledge which you simply do not possess. for shits sake,
> your statements..ludicrously arrogant and insulting, really..what is
> the sequence homology of the borellia genus with other genuses? you
> know the answer to that. how many protein structures have been
> elucidated? do we know exactly what even a FRACTION of them do? etc.
Irrelevant. LYME DOES NOT CAUSE IMMUNOCOMPROMISE AS THE TERM IS USED
AND UNDERSTOOD NOR DOES IT DISABLE THE IMMUNE SYSTEM PLAIN AND SYSTEM
SHUT UP ALREADY MAKE A USEFUL DISTINCTION AND MOVE ON YOU XXXXXXX!
> you must have been involved in the OspA debacle.
>
> the janitor
You mean the MENTAL PATIENT JANITOR PSYCHOTIC XXXXXXX SHITHEAD
CHICKENSHIT MORON
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