Some of these discussions remind me of a good book i'm reading now.
It's "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle which I highly recommend.
It's all about disidentifying with mind.

One excerpt.
" Accept ---- then act. Whatever the present moment contains,
accept it as if you had chosen it. Always work with it, not against
it. Make it your friend and ally not your enemy."

and

"All cravings are the mind seeking salvation or fulfillment in
external things and in the future as a substitute for the foy of
being.
As long as I am my mind, I am those cravings, those needs, wants
attachments and aversions, and apart from them there is no I except as
a mere possibility, and unfulfilled potential, a seed that has not yet
sprouted. In that state, even my desire to become free or enlightened
is just another craving for fulfillment or completion in the future.
So don't seek to become free of desire or "acheive" enlightenment.
Become present. Be there as the observer of the mind."
seeking.

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"..Be there as the observer of the mind."

It is so easy to say.
Does he tell in the book - how?

It is also dangerous to try to dissociate from the mind directly,
crushing and disconnecting the memory of reflexes, which are currently
at work. It may lead to many mental "disadvantages" in the future if
such practice adopted fully.

In order to change the pattern or an intensity of thinking, the
student in any Yoga tradition has to raise spiritually first,
progressing technically, changing the way reflexes of the body respond
to external info perceived by senses. And, the most important we have
to be extremely pragmatic about the change of identity and followed
from this decision making and reasoning.

Just, in any info you read, try to see not the "poetic" side but
practical. It is so easy to spend a little money to buy the book as a
promise, but the real hope is only inside of everyone, in his or her
uninterrupted self-observation.

Narayana 
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Narayana,

Thank you for responding to my post.
I feel grateful for it.
I interspersed comments below.

>
>"..Be there as the observer of the mind."
>
>It is so easy to say.
>Does he tell in the book - how?
>
Still reading but it seems like he's managed it.. Had the peak
experience. Now who knows how welll he's been able to maintain that
higher level of consciousness.

>It is also dangerous to try to dissociate from the mind directly,
>crushing and disconnecting the memory of reflexes, which are currently
>at work. It may lead to many mental "disadvantages" in the future if
>such practice adopted fully.
>
He just says the mind is way over utilized so just to use it
wisely/sparingly. mind is a tool. separate out the me from the false
me/(ghost) and indications to identify which is which.
He makes the point that there is just one me here so what's up with
this acting like it's other. Man he's right about that. Just so
interesting how mind operates and how i get confused. (Intellectually,
it's quite facinating too.) I find it helpful. That's all that
matters.
>In order to change the pattern or an intensity of thinking, the
>student in any Yoga tradition has to raise spiritually first,
>progressing technically, changing the way reflexes of the body respond
>to external info perceived by senses.

Interesting but there's more isn't it. One has to let go of mind
attachments. That requires certain tools like pranayama and making a
decision to turn my will over to higher power. (3rd step of 12-steps).
That is how the 12-steps affects my yoga.

> And, the most important we have
>to be extremely pragmatic about the change of identity and followed
>from this decision making and reasoning.
>
I'm not sure what u mean and would love it if u explain further but I
can tell you how ur words effect me.
I think pragmatic means no matter what level of consciousness I attain
I have certain roles I play in life and with them certain
responsibilites. I cannot lose sight of that.

>Just, in any info you read, try to see not the "poetic" side but
>practical. It is so easy to spend a little money to buy the book as a
>promise, but the real hope is only inside of everyone, in his or her
>uninterrupted self-observation.
>
Perhaps u know me. :-))
It seems ur saying action speaks louder than words.
I feel I understand quite a bit but  knowledge only takes u so far.
I have a long way to go still.
> Narayana 
>www search:   Dereflexation
http://www.anandamayi.org/om/
promise to check it out.
Namaste,
Seeking

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-He just says the mind is way over utilized so just to use it
wisely/sparingly. separate out the me from the false
me/(ghost) and indications to identify which is which.

If your sentence is this:
"The mind is a tool separate out the me from the false me/(ghost)…" it
will be a false as  the mind is a product of unification of the spirit
and the body by the action of thinking, where your body-awareness is a
product of unification of the spirit and the body by activities of the
reflexes in action.
In this view, the mind itself will never help you to separate the
self-awareness (real me) from body-awareness (ego-ghost). You will
need a practice to do it. That practice has to produce opposite effect
to the unification of the spirit and the body (duality).

The practice I teach has just one important function, which is - to
prevent the pure spirit to enter the body. That is all I think needed
for the spiritual growth. The awareness of the pure spirit will
condense above eyebrows and will give you a continuous experience of
itself as your self-awareness.
By adopting this practice, slowly, the separation of two forms of
awareness (self and body) will form by itself (svakriya svarasamrita)
and for the practitioner, the meaning of the change of identity will
become clear and acceptable as he or she will start to see the
relativity of the both.

- He makes the point that there is just one me here so what's up with
this acting like it's other. Man he's right about that.

This is a very important view on the random identity change in the
humans. It is like a little girl going out with two lovers and cannot
decide which one to marry. But this view, again, has no value, as it
states the phenomena but does not explain it. However, getting a
temporary satisfaction with the spiritual insights many students will
say – "I am progressing…" when in reality they are, again, playing it
out…


- Just so interesting how mind operates and how i get confused.
(Intellectually,
it's quite fascinating too.)

Well, the ability to see how the mind operates is a real fun of
existence! I see the mind as a freezer, cooling down the spirit into
tangible ideas – like snowflakes… And if you let this freezer open –
it will chill your identity making you ice-cold person.
Also, when you will be able to see where the mind takes the material
to produce ideas – you will step into the land of pure bliss –
transcended spirit, only to witness how bloody simple this Universe
and Life really is!

- I find it helpful. That's all that matters.

This is a sign of self-observation and your growing ability to see
your body and the mind continuously from within. However, in order to
grow correctly, you have to (not to understand) but to accept by the
experience of the practice how to grow, and that is that growth as
experience, and where it will lead you to..with the change of
identity.

With Respect,

Narayana 

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Narayana,

Thank you for responding to my post.
I feel grateful for it.
I interspersed comments below.

>
>"..Be there as the observer of the mind."
>
>It is so easy to say.
>Does he tell in the book - how?
>
Still reading but it seems like he's managed it.. Had the peak
experience. Now who knows how welll he's been able to maintain that
higher level of consciousness.

>It is also dangerous to try to dissociate from the mind directly,
>crushing and disconnecting the memory of reflexes, which are currently
>at work. It may lead to many mental "disadvantages" in the future if
>such practice adopted fully.
>
He just says the mind is way over utilized so just to use it
wisely/sparingly. mind is a tool. separate out the me from the false
me/(ghost) and indications to identify which is which.
He makes the point that there is just one me here so what's up with
this acting like it's other. Man he's right about that. Just so
interesting how mind operates and how i get confused. (Intellectually,
it's quite facinating too.) I find it helpful. That's all that
matters.
>In order to change the pattern or an intensity of thinking, the
>student in any Yoga tradition has to raise spiritually first,
>progressing technically, changing the way reflexes of the body respond
>to external info perceived by senses.

Interesting but there's more isn't it. One has to let go of mind
attachments. That requires certain tools like pranayama and making a
decision to turn my will over to higher power. (3rd step of 12-steps).
That is how the 12-steps affects my yoga.

> And, the most important we have
>to be extremely pragmatic about the change of identity and followed
>from this decision making and reasoning.
>
I'm not sure what u mean and would love it if u explain further but I
can tell you how ur words effect me.
I think pragmatic means no matter what level of consciousness I attain
I have certain roles I play in life and with them certain
responsibilites. I cannot lose sight of that.

>Just, in any info you read, try to see not the "poetic" side but
>practical. It is so easy to spend a little money to buy the book as a
>promise, but the real hope is only inside of everyone, in his or her
>uninterrupted self-observation.
>
Perhaps u know me. :-))
It seems ur saying action speaks louder than words.
I feel I understand quite a bit but  knowledge only takes u so far.
I have a long way to go still.
> Narayana 
>www search:   Dereflexation
http://www.anandamayi.org/om/
promise to check it out.
Namaste,
Seeking

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"..Be there as the observer of the mind."

It is so easy to say.
Does he tell in the book - how?

It is also dangerous to try to dissociate from the mind directly,
crushing and disconnecting the memory of reflexes, which are currently
at work. It may lead to many mental "disadvantages" in the future if
such practice adopted fully.

In order to change the pattern or an intensity of thinking, the
student in any Yoga tradition has to raise spiritually first,
progressing technically, changing the way reflexes of the body respond
to external info perceived by senses. And, the most important we have
to be extremely pragmatic about the change of identity and followed
from this decision making and reasoning.

Just, in any info you read, try to see not the "poetic" side but
practical. It is so easy to spend a little money to buy the book as a
promise, but the real hope is only inside of everyone, in his or her
uninterrupted self-observation.

Narayana 
www search:   Dereflexation

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