what can go wrong in your knee when you want to sit
in the lotus posture for a considerable time?
Your meniscus can displace?

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If  you force too much you'll get injured..

If you are not used to lotus or you are inflexible, be sure:
- you have to open 1st your pelvis area. If you don't do this you'll
be forcing the knees;
- warm up 1st: for instance a sun salutation.
- contitnue to warm up: do standing asanas with legs spread open (to
open your pelvis): trikonasana and so on.
- Then do asanas like Baddha Konasana, or half lotus posture (be sure
you're opening your pelvis and not forcing your knees)

If you need to meditate for a long time be sure your position is
confortable, try half lotus or siddhasana.

Moon

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"moon" <ptp@oninet.pt> schreef in bericht
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> If  you force too much you'll get injured.

What kind of injurie could this be? Meniscus problems, ligaments, muscles?
I tried alsoMatsyendrasana (completed spine twist)
because I  thought this was good for the liver. Maybe good for my liver
but bad for my right knee.

>
> If you are not used to lotus or you are inflexible, be sure:
>  - you have to open 1st your pelvis area. If you don't do this you'll
> be forcing the knees;
> - warm up 1st: for instance a sun salutation.
> - contitnue to warm up: do standing asanas with legs spread open (to
> open your pelvis): trikonasana and so on.
> - Then do asanas like Badha Konasana, or half lotus posture (be sure
> you're opening your pelvis and not forcing your knees)
>
> If you need to meditate for a long time be sure your position is
> confortable, try half lotus or siddhasana.
>
> Moon
Thanks for good advice, but maybe too late for me.

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I'm not a doctor. But I would say every injury (Meniscus problems,
ligaments, muscles,..)

I have two coleages: one injured the muscle of her leg (and the other a
ligament).

Are you doing yoga alone or have a teacher?

moon

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"moon" <ptp@oninet.pt> schreef in bericht
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> I'm not a doctor. But I would say every injury (Meniscus problems,
> ligaments, muscles,..)
>
> I have two coleages: one injured the muscle of her leg (and the other a
> ligament)
.
They recovered?
Today it goes better with my knee.
The problem is even a doctor has a difficulty
to examine a knee.With x-ray you cannot detect
much.
Do you had a teacher or  do you  are  a teacher yourself?


> Are you doing yoga alone or have a teacher?
>


Alone, by trial and error. In that way yoga has looked harmfull
to me. Now I understand a good teacher is gold. I did nearly
everything wrong : the meditation postures, pranyamas
yama´s, niyama´s etc. Maybe only samadhi I did right.
but when it´s a *maybe* than it must  be wrong.
merlin

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Hi merlijn spinnewijn,

I've just re-posted a post called "hatha yoga"

there is another one:
"prana, pranayama, prana vidya by swami niranjanananda saraswati"
last posted: 8/september
----
Both these two posts were meant to Space Crystal, who is in the same
condition as you are.

Try to see if you understand it all and post if you have any doubt.


=ABsamadhi I did right=BB
no. You don't know what is samadi

I'm not a teacher because I have already another profession. (but I
could be a teacher if I wanted)

But I'm having classes with good teachers, going  to seminars and
workshops.

---
"They recovered? "
The coleague that had the "cut"(or broken) of the muscle is recovering,
she slowed a lit bit.

The other one had to stop practice yoga for several months (her husband
is a doctor), she begun doing phisioterapy (but wasn't helping); she
begun recovering when she begun acunpucture (she is better but she is
still missing classes).
---

In you case slow a little bit (some days). And when you begun again try
to do as I told you.

Moon

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On 2005-10-10 14:39:58 -0700, "merlijn spinnewijn"
<m.spinnewijn@chello.nl> said:

> "moon" <ptp@oninet.pt> schreef in bericht
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> .
> They recovered?
> Today it goes better with my knee.
> The problem is even a doctor has a difficulty
> to examine a knee.With x-ray you cannot detect
> much.
> Do you had a teacher or  do you  are  a teacher yourself?
>
> 
>
>
> Alone, by trial and error. In that way yoga has looked harmfull
> to me. Now I understand a good teacher is gold. I did nearly
> everything wrong : the meditation postures, pranyamas
> yama´s, niyama´s etc. Maybe only samadhi I did right.
> but when it´s a *maybe* than it must  be wrong.
> merlin

The knee is a joint that can only move in one way.  Unlike the leg to
hip, or arm to shoulder joint that can rotate.  Thus if your hips are
stiff and you try to pull your leg into lotus you are going to wrench
your knee.  The best way to protect this is to always keep your leg at
a 90 degree angle or straight.   You can not damage the knee if the leg
is bent at a right angle.

I would take it easy with asanas that tax the knee for a while.  When
you start up try not to do any asana that requires you to bend the knee
at an angle less than 90 with a twist.

After you are fully recovered and you are still interested in lotus
start by putting the legs in a half pigeon.  Some times called 90-90.
Sit on a folded blanket or two for elevation.  The legs should be on
the floor.  Sit in a normal cross leg and then put one foot on top of
the other knee.  Keep both legs at a right angle.  If your top knee
does not rest easily on the bottom foot put a blanket under the leg for
support.  Hold it for a while, maybe do some arm stretches, a twist, a
gentle forward bend (without curving the back).  Then do the opposite
foot.
--
~Stu

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Hi again,

If your elbows and knees are like mine, you need another precaution.

When I straight my legs and arms, they bend "to the other side" (I
don't know how is called in english).

If this happen to you don't straight too much, be sure you're not
bending "to the other side". Try to keep it straight (180 deg).

Moon

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>
> Hi again,
>
> If your elbows and knees are like mine, you need another precaution.
>
> When I straight my legs and arms, they bend "to the other side" (I
> don't know how is called in english).
>
> If this happen to you don't straight too much, be sure you're not
> bending "to the other side". Try to keep it straight (180 deg).
>
> Moon
Yes I have the same legs like you. I think that made my performance
of the lotus more harmfull. I have also a rather stiff hip, because my right
leg is longer than left leg by 2 centimeter.Left everything okay, but right
side stiff
Greetings

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merlijn spinnewijn:
> I think that made my performance of the lotus more harmfull.

No necessarily.
I have the legs and arms like that and I'm very flexible.

I meant that you should not harm your joints by bending to the other
side: when is straight is straight.

But, there are some poses which are good.
My legs are long, and when I was a kid /teenager they bent a bit to
outside and backwards (like the sherifs of the western films)..
When I begun to do some yoga poses, pashimotanasana, this problem
become less visible (much better).

You have to find your own way.

Watch your body, use your intuition, and see what is good for you.

> I have also a rather stiff hip
Do what I said in my 2nd post.


Moon

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