EEG machine?

A great day for yoga practioners will come when they make affordable eeg machines for the PC/mac. Then we would get instant feedback on our yoga practices as well as an objective map of our journeys. Does anyone here know of one?

"whyzard" <whyzard@mail.com> wrote in message news:1126582275.817107.110140@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com.. >A great day for yoga practioners will come when they make affordable > eeg machines for the PC/mac. Then we would get instant feedback on our > yoga practices as well as an objective map of our journeys. Does anyone > here know of one? EEG is pretty elaborate gear and tricky to operate, but you can get a second-hand unit for a couple hundred bucks or so.

"Tom" <askpermission@comcast.net> wrote in news:OrOdnXdTeKpqybveRVn- pg@comcast.com: > > "whyzard" <whyzard@mail.com> wrote in message > news:1126582275.817107.110140@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com.. > > EEG is pretty elaborate gear and tricky to operate, but you can get a > second-hand unit for a couple hundred bucks or so. > > > I'll buy the equipment, and let you borrow it after awhile. I'll give you a good deal if you want to buy it used. Where can I buy good biofeedback EEG equipment anyway? Considering they are medical tools, I thought you had to be a Doctor.

"Corey White" <CoreyWhite@gmail.com> wrote in message news:Xns96D07416898E2CoreyWhite@216.168.3.44.. > "Tom" <askpermission@comcast.net> wrote in news:OrOdnXdTeKpqybveRVn- > pg@comcast.com: > > > I'll buy the equipment, and let you borrow it after awhile. I'll give you > a good deal if you want to buy it used. > > Where can I buy good biofeedback EEG equipment anyway? Considering they > are medical tools, I thought you had to be a Doctor. EEG is a device that most biofeedback practitioners don't use, because it has no practical applications in the field of pain management, which is the bread and butter of biofeedback technicians, but it's not a controlled technology. Anybody may get one and use it, even if they don't know how. A good example of someone using EEG without knowing how is documented by "The Secret Life of Plants" by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird, where they hooked an EEG up to some rhododendrons and decided that the results of this showed that plants are sentient even though they lack a nervous system.

93 whyzard wrote: > A great day for yoga practioners will come when they make affordable > eeg machines for the PC/mac. Then we would get instant feedback on our > yoga practices as well as an objective map of our journeys. Does anyone > here know of one? Look to the right side of your screen, where the google ads have picked up on the term BIOFEEDBACK and are offering ads for equipment. There are several consumer models of biofeedback (NOT EEG) machines that can be used to monitor meditation, hypnosis, relaxation, basic brainwave and hemispheric functions, and so on. I have one called the WaveRider Pro, that plugs into the serial port on my laptop and is a lot of fun.. A quick google search would turn up plenty of these. I bought mine used for a couple hundred bucks. 93 93/93 Phil http://hawkridgeproductions.com/

futureritual wrote: > 93 > > > whyzard wrote: > > > Look to the right side of your screen, where the google ads have picked > up on the term BIOFEEDBACK and are offering ads for equipment. There > are several consumer models of biofeedback (NOT EEG) machines that can > be used to monitor meditation, hypnosis, relaxation, basic brainwave > and hemispheric functions, and so on. I have one called the WaveRider > Pro, that plugs into the serial port on my laptop and is a lot of > fun.. A quick google search would turn up plenty of these. I bought > mine used for a couple hundred bucks. > > 93 93/93 > Phil > http://hawkridgeproductions.com/ Thanks for the advice. Found this one: http://www.mindmedia.nl/eng/index.htm it's only two channels so it can't be that expensive. Your waverider pro listed for $1,700 and it isn't an EEG. One time a researcher (Marvin Spiegelman, the writer) offered to hook me up to an EEG lab cause i told him i had a subtle body. I don't really have a subtle body. What i was planning to do was take LSD and not tell him i was high. I just wanted to see what my LSD EEG traces looked like during delirium which i used to have a talent for. I never did it though, can't remember why. I should have just told him i was gonna take LSD. He probably would have done it anyway. Too late now, LSD doesn't take me over the edge anymore. My tolerance is very high now. And corey, don't go buy one. You're too overzealous about doing stuff. Are you a zelator or practicus? It's corey---the LAST judgement.

"Corey White" <CoreyWhite@gmail.com> wrote in message news:Xns96D166DC8BBFDCoreyWhite@216.168.3.44.. > > Do you think I should buy biofeedback equipment that measures GSR & > Heart Rate? The wave rider you mentioned does that and it measures EEG > and EMG Muscle Tension. Tom said that there are no good uses for EEGs > in biofeedback, and I've read they are hard to use, and can be > unreliable. > > I would like to work with biofeedback, and measuring brain activity > appeals to me. What equipment do you think is the best? > > Tom, do you know of any good biofeedback machines? Phil's recommendation of the WaveRider Pro is a good one. On the down-side, it costs around $1700 for a new one. You might be able to find a used one at a lesser price, but with finicky equipment like biofeedback tools, it's a good idea to get some sort of warrantee, which you don't generally get when you buy used.

"Tom" <askpermission@comcast.net> wrote in news:N_SdnZAWWc_oqbXeRVn-uw@comcast.com: > > "Corey White" <CoreyWhite@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:Xns96D166DC8BBFDCoreyWhite@216.168.3.44.. > > Phil's recommendation of the WaveRider Pro is a good one. On the > down-side, it costs around $1700 for a new one. You might be able to > find a used one at a lesser price, but with finicky equipment like > biofeedback tools, it's a good idea to get some sort of warrantee, > which you don't generally get when you buy used. > > > > I think I'll have to get the WaveRider then. There are a lot of webpages that say the BrainMaster is the best EEG tool for home use, because of its software. I found some other software that can do a lot more than what the BrainMaster comes with: http://bioera.net/ I doubt the BrainMasters software is really very good, & the Bio Era software is really what makes me want to buy a biofeedback machine. The BrainMaster does come with a SDK to develop your own programs, but the Bio Era software can create multi-media programs too, and you don't have to code in C++;

Corey White wrote: > > Do you think I should buy biofeedback equipment that measures GSR & > Heart Rate? The wave rider you mentioned does that and it measures EEG > and EMG Muscle Tension. Tom said that there are no good uses for EEGs > in biofeedback, and I've read they are hard to use, and can be > unreliable. GSR and heart rate are useless because when you are experienced with yoga, the first thing you notice is your GSR and anyone with a heart knows how fast it is beating. I think your heart is the best indicator of how fast your heart rate is going. Biofeedback is also stupid because when you are doing yoga your goal is timelessness and what use is feedback in the moment when you are in trans-time? The only use for these measuring devices is for making a map of your journeys. At the middle of the session, for about 3 hours, i was in dharana, and for about 70% of the time during these hours, the brainwaves measured alpha. The you can go back and try to use the map as a guide to return to the brainwaves. It's like a person looking for 1st street and when he gets to 1st street asks the tarot if he is close to 1st street. And the 1st tarot card is 1 of pantacles and the next card is the fool. > > I would like to work with biofeedback, and measuring brain activity > appeals to me. What equipment do you think is the best? I don't want > to buy one just because a webpage says it is the best tool out there. > > Tom, do you know of any good biofeedback machines?