Some of the fellows here insist that nothing is wrong to charge money
in order to teach yoga..

But they should answer first of all the question "IS YOGA A
PROFESSION?"

If yoga is a profession then charging money to teach it might be
allright. But if yoga is completely different then you can not charge
money..

If yoga is a profession,then yoga can be
sold,advertised,bought,delivered,transported,make a little bit
lighter..Or condensed..Changed,distorted,stolen,manipulated as
wished. That means PATANJALI`s sutras can be thrown aside..

If so then all these are not YOGA at all!!!!!! it can be called as a
MARCHANDISE but not yoga!!!

Because there are keen rules in yoga.And yoga is not a piece of
MARCHANDISE!!!Without YAMA or NIYAMA it can not be YOGA!!!

That is why one can not charge money to teach yoga..If he/she does
that this means that he/she is not teaching yoga for sure..He/she is
certainly teaching something but what it is a merchandise that is
all..

With compassion,

Puma

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"puma" <puma@dowse.com> wrote in message
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> Some of the fellows here insist that nothing is wrong to charge money
> in order to teach yoga..
>
> But they should answer first of all the question "IS YOGA A
> PROFESSION?"
>
> If yoga is a profession then charging money to teach it might be
> allright. But if yoga is completely different then you can not charge
> money..
>
> If yoga is a profession,then yoga can be
> sold,advertised,bought,delivered,transported,make a little bit
> lighter..Or condensed..Changed,distorted,stolen,manipulated as
> wished. That means PATANJALI`s sutras can be thrown aside..
>
> If so then all these are not YOGA at all!!!!!! it can be called as a
> MARCHANDISE but not yoga!!!
>
> Because there are keen rules in yoga.And yoga is not a piece of
> MARCHANDISE!!!Without YAMA or NIYAMA it can not be YOGA!!!
>
> That is why one can not charge money to teach yoga..If he/she does
> that this means that he/she is not teaching yoga for sure..He/she is
> certainly teaching something but what it is a merchandise that is
> all..
>
> With compassion,
>
> Puma

If Someone teaches me Yoga, specifically Yama or Niyama, how does what I
have learned change if I pay for it?



Paul

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"puma" <puma@dowse.com> wrote in message
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> Some of the fellows here insist that nothing is wrong to charge money
> in order to teach yoga..
>
> But they should answer first of all the question "IS YOGA A
> PROFESSION?"
>
> If yoga is a profession then charging money to teach it might be
> allright. But if yoga is completely different then you can not charge
> money..
>
> If yoga is a profession,then yoga can be
> sold,advertised,bought,delivered,transported,make a little bit
> lighter..Or condensed..Changed,distorted,stolen,manipulated as
> wished. That means PATANJALI`s sutras can be thrown aside..
>
> If so then all these are not YOGA at all!!!!!! it can be called as a
> MARCHANDISE but not yoga!!!
>
> Because there are keen rules in yoga.And yoga is not a piece of
> MARCHANDISE!!!Without YAMA or NIYAMA it can not be YOGA!!!
>
> That is why one can not charge money to teach yoga..If he/she does
> that this means that he/she is not teaching yoga for sure..He/she is
> certainly teaching something but what it is a merchandise that is
> all..
>
> With compassion,
>
> Puma

Howdy Puma!

I would say no.

Then again.. the way a person answers that question depends on the person's
perception of what yoga is!

IMO: The only way to answer the question is to first ask and answer the
question:

WHAT IS YOGA?

If we don't do that first, we are probably talking about apples and oranges.

Once there is an agreement (even if it's only hypthetical for the purpose of
discussion) then there are grounds for saying:

According to THIS definition of yoga --  it either is or isn't a profession.

--
Namaste

Dave ©¿©
"Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum"

http://www.howdydave.com

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Yoga is Union. Yoga is the method to attain Union. I'm afraid the
question of "what is yoga" with regards to selling or giving it
away is a non-question. Yoga is whole and eternal and does not change
whether you sell it or give it away.

Of course yoga is/can be a profession. Yoga is/can be a product. This
is obvious to the point of being a silly question. Perhaps a couple of
helpful distinctions to make would be between a profession (a paid
vocation) and an avocation (a calling or hobby); or the difference
between a gift and a product.

There is a parallel of this issue in the "recovery" community.
There are those who are professionals and sell the service of
"recovery" from various addictions/compulsions/syndromes. These can
be doctors, lawyers, debt relief specialists, counselors, motivational
speakers/writers, etc. Then there are many more thousands of other
"recovering" individuals who's own recovery depends on
"giving" the gift of recovery to others who still suffer, as it was
once given to them. Each of these two groups has a function. Each will
perform in some aspects more effectively then the other. Both are good
and necessary.

You see some of us will only believe a "trained professional" and
have no faith in the knowledge of a "regular" person. Some of us
don't value what isn't paid for with cold hard cash. Others are
unable to accept a "gift", they must "pay" for everything so
they feel no indebtedness or vulnerability. Regardless of what
motivates the "professional" for some people they represent the
only access to recovery help they can respond to.

On the other hand there are others who distain all "authority" and
question the motivation and integrity of anyone who charges for their
services. Those who believe that only help given freely is genuine and
valuable; that no "money hungry professional" could ever know what
a "normal" person like them could be going through. For these
people only a kind and understanding word or gesture of another person
in recovery can pierce their wall of fear and touch them.

It all depends. How do you need/want your yoga? Do you want to learn it
from a "professional" who charges you for it or from a person who
has lived it, learned it and is delighted to give to you as a gift.

Jared

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omjaroo wrote:
> Yoga is Union. Yoga is the method to attain Union. I'm afraid the
> question of "what is yoga" with regards to selling or giving it
> away is a non-question. Yoga is whole and eternal and does not change
> whether you sell it or give it away.
>
> Of course yoga is/can be a profession. Yoga is/can be a product. This
> is obvious to the point of being a silly question. Perhaps a couple of
> helpful distinctions to make would be between a profession (a paid
> vocation) and an avocation (a calling or hobby); or the difference
> between a gift and a product.
>
> There is a parallel of this issue in the "recovery" community.
> There are those who are professionals and sell the service of
> "recovery" from various addictions/compulsions/syndromes. These can
> be doctors, lawyers, debt relief specialists, counselors, motivational
> speakers/writers, etc. Then there are many more thousands of other
> "recovering" individuals who's own recovery depends on
> "giving" the gift of recovery to others who still suffer, as it was
> once given to them. Each of these two groups has a function. Each will
> perform in some aspects more effectively then the other. Both are good
> and necessary.
>
> You see some of us will only believe a "trained professional" and
> have no faith in the knowledge of a "regular" person. Some of us
> don't value what isn't paid for with cold hard cash. Others are
> unable to accept a "gift", they must "pay" for everything so
> they feel no indebtedness or vulnerability. Regardless of what
> motivates the "professional" for some people they represent the
> only access to recovery help they can respond to.
>
> On the other hand there are others who distain all "authority" and
> question the motivation and integrity of anyone who charges for their
> services. Those who believe that only help given freely is genuine and
> valuable; that no "money hungry professional" could ever know what
> a "normal" person like them could be going through. For these
> people only a kind and understanding word or gesture of another person
> in recovery can pierce their wall of fear and touch them.
>
> It all depends. How do you need/want your yoga? Do you want to learn it
> from a "professional" who charges you for it or from a person who
> has lived it, learned it and is delighted to give to you as a gift.
>
> Jared


Hi Jared:


Lets make it short: if YOGA is UNION,then how is that possible to sell
this union to others with money? Here my logic states and shows that in
this case it is not  yoga at all..Selling union to others with
money..
It must be  a real advertorial issue..Boy\perhaps, I am getting crazy
who knows!!!

Sorry my logic can not take it in..

With compassion,

Puma

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APARIGRAHA  says YOU CAN NOT COLLECT ,so that is YAMA taht is NIYAMA if
these are these then you can not charge money to teach yoga!!!

Ohh my dear\it is a hard way to explain..

With respect,

Puma

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>
>
> Lets make it short: if YOGA is UNION,then how is that possible to sell
> this union to others with money?

Union can not be sold, but the knowledge of how to attain union can be sold.

Paul

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> APARIGRAHA  says YOU CAN NOT COLLECT ,


I thought APARIGRAHA was about non-greed.


Paul

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Damn, I didn't know.

I didn't know it was wrong to sell yoga.

You've got me.

I'd better take my copy of the Yoga Sutrus back
to Walterstones for a full refund and tell
them it's TOTALLY wrong. You can't sell that!
That's blasphemy. How dare you.

Don't worry though. I'll make sure I give them a
good telling off for you. I'll say, "What do you
think yoga is, a profession?"

Lets hope they don't throw the book aside.


With love and respect,

James O'Neill






"puma" <puma@dowse.com> wrote in message
news:1124458313.067319.7490@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com..
> Some of the fellows here insist that nothing is wrong to charge money
> in order to teach yoga..
>
> But they should answer first of all the question "IS YOGA A
> PROFESSION?"
>
> If yoga is a profession then charging money to teach it might be
> allright. But if yoga is completely different then you can not charge
> money..
>
> If yoga is a profession,then yoga can be
> sold,advertised,bought,delivered,transported,make a little bit
> lighter..Or condensed..Changed,distorted,stolen,manipulated as
> wished. That means PATANJALI`s sutras can be thrown aside..
>
> If so then all these are not YOGA at all!!!!!! it can be called as a
> MARCHANDISE but not yoga!!!
>
> Because there are keen rules in yoga.And yoga is not a piece of
> MARCHANDISE!!!Without YAMA or NIYAMA it can not be YOGA!!!
>
> That is why one can not charge money to teach yoga..If he/she does
> that this means that he/she is not teaching yoga for sure..He/she is
> certainly teaching something but what it is a merchandise that is
> all..
>
> With compassion,
>
> Puma
>

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Exactly! (Sort of..) Doesn't get any shorter then that :-)

Jared

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