Good days,

This is my first poster. These days the same wrong saying is almost
everywhere.

That is " YOGA and MEDITATION"

In fact, Meditation is a part of yoga,therefore stating YOGA and
MEDITATION might only indicate a wrong doing. If meditaion is an
element of yoga,that means without meditation there is no yoga.

So when using this *WRONG* statement,we must be mindfull.

Being mindfull 

Bothi


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Bothi wrote:
>
> Good days,
>
> This is my first poster. These days the same wrong saying is almost
> everywhere.
>
> That is " YOGA and MEDITATION"
>
> In fact, Meditation is a part of yoga,therefore stating YOGA and
> MEDITATION might only indicate a wrong doing. If meditaion is an
> element of yoga,that means without meditation there is no yoga.
>
> So when using this *WRONG* statement,we must be mindfull.
>
> Being mindfull 
>
> Bothi
>

Hello, Bothi,

I do not disagree with you. It's important to realize, though, that many
people are first drawn to the asanas (sometimes in response to physical
problems that they are experiencing) and, only later, to a meditation
practice. The limited practice that they think of as "yoga," though
incomplete, can be very helpful to them. Like the rest of us, they will
eventually find their path. It seems to me that we can help them more by
welcoming them, than by puristically insisting on a correct use of
terms. Having said that, I realize that some will still want to insist.

Have a good day.

--Don
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/yogabare

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"Don" <lalladas@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Bothi wrote: 
>
> Hello, Bothi,
>
> I do not disagree with you. It's important to realize, though, that many
> people are first drawn to the asanas (sometimes in response to physical
> problems that they are experiencing) and, only later, to a meditation
> practice. The limited practice that they think of as "yoga," though
> incomplete, can be very helpful to them. Like the rest of us, they will
> eventually find their path. It seems to me that we can help them more by
> welcoming them, than by puristically insisting on a correct use of
> terms. Having said that, I realize that some will still want to insist.
>
> Have a good day.
>
> --Don
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/yogabare

Hi All,

I agree with Don.  In my opinion if you stopped 100 people in the
street and asked them what yoga was 90+ of them would say it
is bending your body into funny positions.  Unfortunately this
stereotypical view is unlikely to change and maybe it is better to
talk of yoga as referring to the Hatha yoga postures in general
conversation so that people will know what you mean (well sort
of!) People also have a general understanding of meditation.
Hence I talk about my yoga and meditation practice when chatting
with a general audience.

Regards

KJ

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Don Wrote:
> Bothi wrote: 
>
> Hello, Bothi,
>
> I do not disagree with you. It's important to realize, though, that
> many
> people are first drawn to the asanas (sometimes in response to
> physical
> problems that they are experiencing) and, only later, to a meditation
> practice. The limited practice that they think of as "yoga," though
> incomplete, can be very helpful to them. Like the rest of us, they
> will
> eventually find their path. It seems to me that we can help them more
> by
> welcoming them, than by puristically insisting on a correct use of
> terms. Having said that, I realize that some will still want to
> insist.
>
> Have a good day.
>
> --Don
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/yogabare

Hi Don:

What I am referring is not for the people who are new in YOGA, my words
are for the people who present themselves as TEACHERS, as GURUS, or
others within these categories..

Yoga is a science of THRUTH not of stories..So,  when starting for
anything we should be honest and correct..YOGA as known by yogis have
8 stages..MEDITATION is one of them..ASANAS are not yoga,only a part
of yoga.

Welcoming any body,this should be correctly done.It is not puristism
what we are dealing with, it is YOGA..So our style  is not puristic,
it is YOGIC..

If any person insists on this saying, we have to remind him/her about
PATANJALI.. 

With compassion


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KJ Wrote:
> "Don" <lalladas@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:42DAB61F.C4A69C7B@earthlink.net.. 
> many 
> physical 
> meditation 
> will 
> by 
> insist. 
>
> Hi All,
>
> I agree with Don.  In my opinion if you stopped 100 people in the
> street and asked them what yoga was 90+ of them would say it
> is bending your body into funny positions.  Unfortunately this
> stereotypical view is unlikely to change and maybe it is better to
> talk of yoga as referring to the Hatha yoga postures in general
> conversation so that people will know what you mean (well sort
> of!) People also have a general understanding of meditation.
> Hence I talk about my yoga and meditation practice when chatting
> with a general audience.
>
> Regards
>
> KJ

Hi all,

It seems very funy learning what YOGA is from the people on the
streets..

Actually these people who are defending wrong statement "YOGA and
MEDITATION" obviously are not within YOGA, They are doing some sort of
action, it might be atletics,or some sort of freaks,but for sure it is
not YOGA. Because Sri PATANJALI has shown what yoga is, it has 8 steps,
without all of them it  can not be called YOGA..

So let us not forget that  if we want to be samples say as teachers or
instructors,we should act accordingly we should be honest and correct
as much as we could..we can not correct our mistakes by another
mistake!!!  ;)

With compassion,


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Bothi wrote:

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> Good days,
>
> This is my first poster.


Welcome, Bothi!

> These days the same wrong saying is almost everywhere.
>
> That is " YOGA and MEDITATION"

Right, we shouldn't separate meditation from yoga when we speak about
yoga. Most of the regular posters here at alt.yoga don't, but many who
are new to yoga do. This is an error, of course, but it is not a great
error. If you are new to mathematics, say, perhaps you use the terms
mathematics and geometry in the same manner, not realizing that geometry
is a part of mathematics. When you learn mathematics, you will also
learn what is part of it. It is the same with yoga. We can't expect that
everybody knows everything about it immediately.

> In fact, Meditation is a part of yoga,therefore stating YOGA and
> MEDITATION might only indicate a wrong doing. If meditaion is an
> element of yoga,that means without meditation there is no yoga.

Yes, but seeing that the general public think that yoga is only asanas
and workout sessions, a yoga school which also teaches meditation will
have to point it out somehow.

> So when using this *WRONG* statement,we must be mindfull.

I hope they are doing it with maximum mindfulness, and only to
distinguish themselves from those schools that only teach asanas.

> Being mindfull 

Good for you!

S.

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Sevenhundred Elves Wrote:
> Bothi wrote:
> 
>
>
> Welcome, Bothi!
> 
>
> Right, we shouldn't separate meditation from yoga when we speak about
> yoga. Most of the regular posters here at alt.yoga don't, but many who
> are new to yoga do. This is an error, of course, but it is not a great
> error. If you are new to mathematics, say, perhaps you use the terms
> mathematics and geometry in the same manner, not realizing that
> geometry
> is a part of mathematics. When you learn mathematics, you will also
> learn what is part of it. It is the same with yoga. We can't expect
> that
> everybody knows everything about it immediately.
> 
>
> Yes, but seeing that the general public think that yoga is only asanas
> and workout sessions, a yoga school which also teaches meditation will
> have to point it out somehow.
> 
>
> I hope they are doing it with maximum mindfulness, and only to
> distinguish themselves from those schools that only teach asanas.
> 
>
> Good for you!
>
> S.

Hi Sevenhundred Elves,


I know that defendents try to defend wrong doers! Non of the math
scholar makes  any mistake regarding what you are saying about
Geometry.

What I am talking about  is not for people new in YOGA.. I am alking
about people who present themselves as YOGA TEACHERS,or some sort of
Instructors. And YOGA schools,or yoga sites..

Being mindful is good for everybody. But these yoga teachers do you
really think they are mindful? As far as I know mistakes are done
without any mindfullness.

To defend a mistake is another mistake, lets not defend wrong doers..

Lets be all mindful, 


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Bothi wrote:
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> Hi Sevenhundred Elves,
>
>
> I know that defendents try to defend wrong doers! Non of the math
> scholar makes  any mistake regarding what you are saying about
> Geometry.
>
> What I am talking about  is not for people new in YOGA.. I am alking
> about people who present themselves as YOGA TEACHERS,or some sort of
> Instructors. And YOGA schools,or yoga sites..
>
> Being mindful is good for everybody. But these yoga teachers do you
> really think they are mindful? As far as I know mistakes are done
> without any mindfullness.
>
> To defend a mistake is another mistake, lets not defend wrong doers..
>
> Lets be all mindful, 

Yes, but think about it again: If you are a yoga teacher who wants to
teach more than just the asanas, how would you announce it? Since there
are many yoga classes where only asanas are taught, those who want to
teach a more complete yoga (including pranayama, pratyahara, dharana
etcetera) will have to add a line saying that they are also teaching
meditation. How would you do that, if you were such a yoga teacher?

It seems to me, that, no matter how you phrase it, it might look as if
you were separating yoga from meditation. Perhaps they could say
something like "We teach yoga, including meditation", would that be
acceptable? (But even that looks a bit like separating meditation from
yoga)

S.

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Sevenhundred Elves Wrote:
> Bothi wrote: 
> alking 
> doers.. 
>
> Yes, but think about it again: If you are a yoga teacher who wants to
> teach more than just the asanas, how would you announce it? Since
> there
> are many yoga classes where only asanas are taught, those who want to
> teach a more complete yoga (including pranayama, pratyahara, dharana
> etcetera) will have to add a line saying that they are also teaching
> meditation. How would you do that, if you were such a yoga teacher?
>
> It seems to me, that, no matter how you phrase it, it might look as if
> you were separating yoga from meditation. Perhaps they could say
> something like "We teach yoga, including meditation", would that be
> acceptable? (But even that looks a bit like separating meditation from
> yoga)
>
> S.

Instead of I think it again, why don`t you see where  I am pointing
at!!!


Most of the YOGA teaching people are not teaching YOGA,if you teach
only ASANA it becomes ASANA but not YOGA! if you teach only MEDITATION
it becomes meditaion but not yoga.. So to teach YOGA one should  know
what YOGA is and really should tech  YOGA.. THE 8 STAGES . How you do
it depends on if teacher is honest or not.. If cheeters become  YOGA
TEACHERS, it is very easy to pinpoint them,you may see if he/she is
teching YOGA or not..And the key words indicate the point very
clearly. SATYA should be the one to defend..

I hope I have made myself clear..

Lets be mindful     


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On 2005-07-21 12:32:24 -0700, Bothi
<Bothi.1sjk03@no-mx.forums.yoga-meditation.org> said:

>
> Sevenhundred Elves Wrote: Bothi wrote: 
>
> Instead of I think it again, why don`t you see where  I am pointing
> at!!!
>
>
> Most of the YOGA teaching people are not teaching YOGA,if you teach
> only ASANA it becomes ASANA but not YOGA! if you teach only MEDITATION
> it becomes meditaion but not yoga.. So to teach YOGA one should  know
> what YOGA is and really should tech  YOGA.. THE 8 STAGES . How you do
> it depends on if teacher is honest or not.. If cheeters become  YOGA
> TEACHERS, it is very easy to pinpoint them,you may see if he/she is
> teching YOGA or not..And the key words indicate the point very
> clearly. SATYA should be the one to defend..
>
> I hope I have made myself clear..
>
> Lets be mindful     

His holiness the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi puts it another way.  He
maintains that when one is properly initiated into a meditation
practice, they will have a regular experience of cosmic consciousness.
As a result of this daily ritual that the other parts of the astanga
will naturally flow towards the individual.  His book "The Science of
Being and the Art of living" make a strong case for this.  It is as if
all experiences flow from cosmic consciousness.  The astanga is a
natural outgrowth of a meditation practice.

Another Yogi, BKS Iyengar takes another approach.  His yogic philosophy
starts with asana.  His method has a student understanding the
fundamental principals of asana.  After a few years once the
fundamentals are mastered through careful discipline then he introduces
pranayama practice.  Eventually, the student's physiology is developed
so greatly that the student may take part in the path of meditation.
For Mr. Iyengar it is important to take each step one at a time.

Here are two Indian Yogic Masters from the same ancient traditions who
have dialectically opposed philosophies.  I agree with both of them.
--
~Stu

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