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Losing my mind?
I'm getting worried. This morning I made a pot of coffee, and poured it
into a dirty pan which happened to be sitting on the stove beside the
coffee pot.
I can't imagine what I was thinking. In fact I can't remeber thinking
anything. My mind went blank, and I woke up staring at this pan of
coffee with bits of veg floating in it wondering how it got there. I
was the only perosn in the room, and I had the empty pot in my hand, so
it must have been me, right?

Last Friday at work I found a cabinet which was unlabelled and had no
key. I went round making a fuss trying to find out who's it was. I
eventually found out. In fact I found out that six months ago I found
out. Six months ago I did the same thing. I found out who it belonged
too. I found out that he had lost his key too. I ordered new keys. I
gave one to the owner. Then I forgot to label the cabinet, forgot I'd
done all this, and lost the key I got.

Now I've made a fool of myself at work. I look like a silly old woman
who forgets things.

This has been happening recently. Last time my job was reviewed hints
were made about retiring. I'd like to, but I can't afford to.

Even if I do forget things I'm still much better at my job than the
young things. They don't forget things, but they make lots of silly
mistakes. My much younger boss thinks I'm an old fool who is past it.
She also doesn't like me. Too often in committees I've criticised her
policies, and later I'm proved right. She doesn't see that as a good
reason to ask my advice. She sees it as a good reason to want me out.

I've never been a weepy person, but when I found out about the cabinet
I went to the toilet to cry. I get annoyed more easily and say things I
shouldn't. It's not getting more assertive and standing up for myself.
It's saying really stupid things which make me look a fool. I know when
I do it I should keep my mouth shut. I know I'm talking rubbish. But it
just boils up and I loose it!

I know this kind of thing happens to women my age. If it gets worse
I'll have to give up my job. I'm scared maybe it has got worse
already.

Sometimes I fall alseep after lunch. I didn't use to do that. People
are supposed to knock on my office door, but they don't always. My boss
doesn't. I'm scared she's going to find me asleep one day or someone's
going to tell her.

My doc isn't any help. He says there's nothing wrong with me except age
and menopause. I don't want to experiment with HRT. I've tried an
antidepressant but it made me jumpy and angry with a dry mouth. The doc
said it would go away as my body adjusted but it didn't.

Fay, getting scared




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Jette Goldie



Re: Losing my mind?

"Fay" <fay42ster@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1121593108.765119.280320@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com..
> I'm getting worried. This morning I made a pot of coffee, and poured
it
> into a dirty pan which happened to be sitting on the stove beside
the
> coffee pot.
> I can't imagine what I was thinking. In fact I can't remeber
thinking
> anything. My mind went blank, and I woke up staring at this pan of
> coffee with bits of veg floating in it wondering how it got there. I
> was the only perosn in the room, and I had the empty pot in my hand,
so
> it must have been me, right?
>
> Last Friday at work I found a cabinet which was unlabelled and had
no
> key. I went round making a fuss trying to find out who's it was. I
> eventually found out. In fact I found out that six months ago I
found
> out. Six months ago I did the same thing. I found out who it
belonged
> too. I found out that he had lost his key too. I ordered new keys. I
> gave one to the owner. Then I forgot to label the cabinet, forgot
I'd
> done all this, and lost the key I got.
>
> Now I've made a fool of myself at work. I look like a silly old
woman
> who forgets things.

We all do that from time to time.

>
> This has been happening recently. Last time my job was reviewed
hints
> were made about retiring. I'd like to, but I can't afford to.
>
<snip>

> I've never been a weepy person, but when I found out about the
cabinet
> I went to the toilet to cry. I get annoyed more easily and say
things I
> shouldn't. It's not getting more assertive and standing up for
myself.
> It's saying really stupid things which make me look a fool. I know
when
> I do it I should keep my mouth shut. I know I'm talking rubbish. But
it
> just boils up and I loose it!
>

And most of us have done THAT from time to time.  It's gotten
that I can't even read a magazine with a "feel good" story in
it at work, or I'm weeping all over my desk and getting my
colleagues worried about me!

> I know this kind of thing happens to women my age. If it gets worse
> I'll have to give up my job. I'm scared maybe it has got worse
> already.
>
> Sometimes I fall alseep after lunch. I didn't use to do that. People
> are supposed to knock on my office door, but they don't always. My
boss
> doesn't. I'm scared she's going to find me asleep one day or
someone's
> going to tell her.
>

Get one of those little alarms that you can hang on a door
handle that goes off LOUDLY as soon as the door is opened.
You'll wake up and who ever came in without knocking will
get a fright!

> My doc isn't any help. He says there's nothing wrong with me except
age
> and menopause. I don't want to experiment with HRT. I've tried an
> antidepressant but it made me jumpy and angry with a dry mouth. The
doc
> said it would go away as my body adjusted but it didn't.
>
> Fay, getting scared
>

"jumpy and angry" is wrong for an antidepressant.  The dry
mouth never really went away for me, but it got better.


--
Jette
"Work for Peace and remain Fiercely Loving" - Jim Byrnes
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/





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Re: Losing my mind?
Fay <fay42ster@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm getting worried. This morning I made a pot of coffee, and poured it
> into a dirty pan which happened to be sitting on the stove beside the
> coffee pot.
> I can't imagine what I was thinking. In fact I can't remeber thinking
> anything. My mind went blank, and I woke up staring at this pan of
> coffee with bits of veg floating in it wondering how it got there. I
> was the only perosn in the room, and I had the empty pot in my hand, so
> it must have been me, right?

AKA menofog.

> I know this kind of thing happens to women my age. If it gets worse
> I'll have to give up my job. I'm scared maybe it has got worse
> already.
>
> Sometimes I fall alseep after lunch. I didn't use to do that. People
> are supposed to knock on my office door, but they don't always. My boss
> doesn't. I'm scared she's going to find me asleep one day or someone's
> going to tell her.

(I'm not sure if you're still in peri or not, so I apologize for any
irrelevances.)

You may want to look at your lifestyle. I have found myself surprisingly
lethargic at times and can match it to my menstrual cycle. I have
discovered that food affects me differently and a change in diet helped
(I tried low-carbing to lose some inches and discovered that it also
affected my PMS). A change in reaction to food can also explain the
tiredness in the afternoon. Try to see if it follows a cycle or not.
Also, I have found that stress and peri do _not_ go well together. If
you've been used to working a bit hard, or for long hours, or for
staying up late, you may want to rethink that. My solution has been to
get myself to bed earlier and regularly, and to drink calming herbal
teas (like ayurvedic ones).

You are not losing your mind, and I'm sure that your co-workers
understand better than you realize, especially if they're close to your
age, including the married men.

Don't let your fears get you. Perhaps try to ally yourself with your
boss instead of having her think you're an enemy ("I'm not criticizing
you, I'm protecting you"), or if not, just smile knowingly at her
because this'll happen to her, too, some day. One sig I've seen is:
"Whatever you wish for me, may you receive tenfold." ;-)

All of the above said with the assumption that you are otherwise
healthy.

--
Keera in Norway ~~ Think big. Shrink to fit.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/



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Marilee



Re: Losing my mind?

"Fay" <fay42ster@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1121593108.765119.280320@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com..
> I'm getting worried. This morning I made a pot of coffee, and poured it
> into a dirty pan which happened to be sitting on the stove beside the
> coffee pot.
> I can't imagine what I was thinking. In fact I can't remeber thinking
> anything. My mind went blank, and I woke up staring at this pan of
> coffee with bits of veg floating in it wondering how it got there. I
> was the only perosn in the room, and I had the empty pot in my hand, so
> it must have been me, right?

I've never done this, but once I dumped my freshly-filled carafe of just
brewed coffee down the sink.  I forgot that I'd already dumped yesterday's
old coffee the same way.

>
> Last Friday at work I found a cabinet which was unlabelled and had no
> key. I went round making a fuss trying to find out who's it was. I
> eventually found out. In fact I found out that six months ago I found
> out. Six months ago I did the same thing. I found out who it belonged
> too. I found out that he had lost his key too. I ordered new keys. I
> gave one to the owner. Then I forgot to label the cabinet, forgot I'd
> done all this, and lost the key I got.
>
> Now I've made a fool of myself at work. I look like a silly old woman
> who forgets things.

Okay, how old ar you?

>
> This has been happening recently. Last time my job was reviewed hints
> were made about retiring. I'd like to, but I can't afford to.
>
> Even if I do forget things I'm still much better at my job than the
> young things. They don't forget things, but they make lots of silly
> mistakes. My much younger boss thinks I'm an old fool who is past it.
> She also doesn't like me. Too often in committees I've criticised her
> policies, and later I'm proved right. She doesn't see that as a good
> reason to ask my advice. She sees it as a good reason to want me out.
>
> I've never been a weepy person, but when I found out about the cabinet
> I went to the toilet to cry. I get annoyed more easily and say things I
> shouldn't. It's not getting more assertive and standing up for myself.
> It's saying really stupid things which make me look a fool. I know when
> I do it I should keep my mouth shut. I know I'm talking rubbish. But it
> just boils up and I loose it!
>
> I know this kind of thing happens to women my age. If it gets worse
> I'll have to give up my job. I'm scared maybe it has got worse
> already.

Again, how old are you?

>
> Sometimes I fall alseep after lunch. I didn't use to do that. People
> are supposed to knock on my office door, but they don't always. My boss
> doesn't. I'm scared she's going to find me asleep one day or someone's
> going to tell her.
>
> My doc isn't any help. He says there's nothing wrong with me except age
> and menopause. I don't want to experiment with HRT. I've tried an
> antidepressant but it made me jumpy and angry with a dry mouth. The doc
> said it would go away as my body adjusted but it didn't.
>
> Fay, getting scared

Your doctor sounds worthless.  I'm sorry, but that's what I think after
reading this.  All antidepressants don't agree with all people.  My mother
was just taken off Zoloft because it was actually making her feel -more-
depressed.

Get a different doctor.   There's no proof that HRT would help with the
things you're describing here, anyway.

Good luck.

Marilee






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Re: Losing my mind?
Fay

What medications are you taking?


Zee




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Fay



Re: Losing my mind?


Marilee wrote:
> "Fay" <fay42ster@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1121593108.765119.280320@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com.. 
>
> I've never done this, but once I dumped my freshly-filled carafe of just
> brewed coffee down the sink.  I forgot that I'd already dumped yesterday's
> old coffee the same way.
> 
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Okay, how old ar you?

Sorry, should have said. I'm 55, and have been 17 months since my last
period. I 'm still bothered by hot flushes.
 
>
> Again, how old are you?
> 
>
> Your doctor sounds worthless.  I'm sorry, but that's what I think after
> reading this.  All antidepressants don't agree with all people.  My mother
> was just taken off Zoloft because it was actually making her feel -more-
> depressed.

The recent one was Efexor. Many years earlier I tried Imipramine. It
removed the depression after several weeks, but things then became very
weird, kind of like being in a dream. It wasn't unpleasant, in fact it
was a nice kind of high, but I did some very stupid things.

> Get a different doctor.   There's no proof that HRT would help with the
> things you're describing here, anyway.

He didn't suggest there was. He explained the cautions on the use of
HRT, and that it shjould only be used for a short time for symptomatic
relief if the symptoms were severe. HE suggested I might want to try
the HRT as an experiment. Well, the symptoms are not severe in the
sense that they're not painful. But they are severe in the sense of the
financial consequences if I lose my job.

Fay




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Re: Losing my mind?

"Fay" <fay42ster@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1121628806.551249.249730@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com..
>
>
> Marilee wrote: 
> 
>
> Sorry, should have said. I'm 55, and have been 17 months since my last
> period. I 'm still bothered by hot flushes.

Oh, yeah.  Same for me, except I'm going to be 53 this month, but it's about
that amount of time since my last period, and I enjoy hot flashes daily.
Bleah.

> 
>
> The recent one was Efexor. Many years earlier I tried Imipramine. It
> removed the depression after several weeks, but things then became very
> weird, kind of like being in a dream. It wasn't unpleasant, in fact it
> was a nice kind of high, but I did some very stupid things.
> 
>
> He didn't suggest there was. He explained the cautions on the use of
> HRT, and that it shjould only be used for a short time for symptomatic
> relief if the symptoms were severe. HE suggested I might want to try
> the HRT as an experiment.

Hm.  Risky experiment, if you ask me.   Did he ever suggest a different
SSRI, or did he just maintain that the one he put you on would work if you
gave it enough time?


Well, the symptoms are not severe in the
> sense that they're not painful. But they are severe in the sense of the
> financial consequences if I lose my job.

  Yeah, I hear you, there.  I have it easier because I work for my
husband.  (However, I'm not experiencing the same things you are; I'm still
fine at work.)

Oh, and sis asked if you were on any other meds.  Are you?  Statins have
been shown to cause cognitive difficulties; are you on any cholesterol
lowering meds?

Marilee



>
> Fay
>





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Re: Losing my mind?


sis wrote:

> Fay
>
> What medications are you taking?

I'm taking 75mg of dispersible aspirin and 10mg Zocor for high blood
pressure (140/80) and high cholesterol (don't know the figures).

Fay




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Re: Losing my mind?


Fay wrote:
> sis wrote:
> 
>
> I'm taking 75mg of dispersible aspirin and 10mg Zocor for high blood
> pressure (140/80) and high cholesterol (don't know the figures).
>
> Fay




Fay

Zocor can also cause DEPRESSION, as well as anxiety, irritability etc.

An article from CBS News on statins and memory loss, concentration and
focus problems, DEPRESSION and other cogntive side effects:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004..ain619351.shtml

Statins' Mind-Boggling Effects
O'FALLON, Ill., May 24, 2004


When Jim Matthews needed to slash his cholesterol and heart attack
risk, he joined the millions taking the world's top-selling drug,
Lipitor.

After five weeks, he was struck by cognitive chaos and confusion.

All of a sudden, he found himself asking: "Did I go get the mail or did
I just think I was going to go get the mail? Did I give my dog her
thyroid pill, or did I just think I gave the dog the thyroid pill?"

He couldn't function for hours.

When he came back to his senses, he suspected Lipitor was to blame, but
only found one glowing report after another on Lipitor and similar
drugs - all called statins.

In fact, some doctors are so high on statins, they seem to think most
everyone should take them, that there's no down side. Lipitor's maker
even says it may help Alzheimer's patients.

But researcher Dr. Beatrice Golomb warns the studies generating the
bulk of the positive press were funded by the companies that make the
drugs, like Pfizer, which earns $9 billion a year from Lipitor.

"I made the decision that I really didn't want to take money from the
drug industry," says Golomb.

Funded by the government and not the drug makers, Golomb is taking an
independent look at studies already done on statins, pinpointing severe
muscle problems, which Pfizer has disclosed, and cognitive dysfunction
-- not mentioned in patient leaflets.

"We have people who have lost thinking ability so rapidly that within
the course of a couple of months they went from being head of major
divisions of companies to not being able to balance a checkbook and
being fired from their company," says Golomb, an assistant professor or
medicine at the university of California in San Diego.

Golomb says statins do help the heart, but may also hamper the brain's
performance and trigger other serious problems. She's leading an
independent clinical trial to find out what harm statins may be doing.
The results should be out in a few months.

Pfizer told us Lipitor's safety is supported by peer reviewed articles
and scores of studies,"including the most extensive statin clinical
trial program ever conducted." Pfizer "collects all available safety
information..and shares (it) with regulatory authorities worldwide."

That may be right for most patients, but Matthews isn't looking for a
repeat of his mental meltdown. He's taking a new tactic: trying to tame
his cholesterol with diet and exercise

"Up with the good cholesterol, down with the bad," he says.



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Re: Losing my mind?


Fay wrote:
> sis wrote:
> 
>
> I'm taking 75mg of dispersible aspirin and 10mg Zocor for high blood
> pressure (140/80) and high cholesterol (don't know the figures).
>
> Fay



>From Newsday, on women and statins.
http://www.newsday.com/news/he alth/columnists/ny-dsrabin3881
826jul06,..

"Last year, scientists at the university of British Columbia's
Therapeutics Initiative came to a similar conclusion about the use of
statins in men who didn't have prior heart disease. Sure, they had
fewer heart attacks - but they still died at the same rate. "What
we're hypothesizing is that there was some other harm" associated with
the medication, said Dr. Jim Wright, the clinical pharmacologist who
did the study, funded entirely by a grant from British Columbia's
health department. "That really should concern people."


'We've been bamboozled' about cholesterol risks
Roni Rabin

July 6, 2004

If you're a woman like me who worries about your blood cholesterol
level, there's something you should know.

Buried in the back pages of a leading medical journal recently was a
study that raised serious questions about whether cholesterol-lowering
drugs are useful for women who are otherwise healthy.

The study didn't get a lot of media attention. But its results were
surprising - especially considering how many millions of women are
taking drugs known as statins to lower their cholesterol. Women like
me, who've had it drummed into us that heart disease is the leading
cause of death we face. And who've been told repeatedly cholesterol is
a major risk factor.

The paper, published in the Journal of the American Medical
Association, examined the results of 13 carefully selected clinical
trials and teased out the effects on women. It wasn't easy: At least
80 percent of the participants were men.

The researchers found that for women who are taking statins as a
preventative measure - they've never had cardiovascular disease but
may be at risk - it wasn't clear the pills bestowed any benefit.
That's because so few women in this group have heart attacks to begin
with.

For women who have cardiovascular disease, the drugs reduced the risk
of another heart incident - but did not reduce overall deaths.

"The risk for total mortality was not lower in women treated with
lipid-lowering drugs, regardless of whether they had prior
cardiovascular disease or not," Dr. Judith M.E. Walsh and Dr. Michael
Pignone wrote.

Last year, scientists at the university of British Columbia's
Therapeutics Initiative came to a similar conclusion about the use of
statins in men who didn't have prior heart disease. Sure, they had
fewer heart attacks - but they still died at the same rate. "What
we're hypothesizing is that there was some other harm" associated with
the medication, said Dr. Jim Wright, the clinical pharmacologist who
did the study, funded entirely by a grant from British Columbia's
health department. "That really should concern people."

"Before we prescribe this to millions of people who are basically
healthy, we should be proving that the overall benefits outweigh the
harms," he said. "And we don't think that's the case."

Health consumer advocates, such as Maryann Napoli of the Center for
Medical Consumers, have expressed concerns about statins, which have
been linked to muscle problems, including a rare condition that can be
fatal. The FDA banned Baycol in 2001; last week, Public Citizen's
Health Research Group called for banning Crestor.

The drugs do reduce blood cholesterol levels. But the relationship
between high cholesterol and heart disease is not so simple,
especially for women. The landmark Framingham heart study found that
in the vast majority of people, there was no difference in blood
cholesterol levels between those who developed heart disease and those
who did not. The only strong association between heart disease and
elevated cholesterol was found in young and middle-aged men - not
women - and it receded with age.

Still, the American Heart Association recommends aggressive treatment
to lower cholesterol in women, especially if other risk factors are
present, according to Dr. Nieca Goldberg, chief of the Women's Heart
Program at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York and a spokeswoman for the
AHA.

And when doctors talk about heart disease risks for women, they
mention high cholesterol in the same breath as high blood pressure,
diabetes, obesity, smoking and family history.

Wright, the Canadian researcher, suggests a distinction should be
made. "The weakest risk factor is cholesterol," he said. "The
correlation is extremely weak and even becomes negative as you get
older." He said the message about cholesterol has been distorted.

"We've been bamboozled," he said.

Dr. Beatrice Golomb, an assistant professor of medicine at the
University of California at San Diego who has done research on
cholesterol and statins, says no study has ever demonstrated that
statins extend life for women. "The people who benefit are middle-aged
men who are at high risk or have heart disease .." she said. "The
mortality benefits don't extend to the elderly or to women."

Yes, heart disease is the leading cause of death in women - but only
when women 75 and older are included in the figures. Take those women
out and the picture changes.

Younger women know that, intuitively. It's misleading to scold them
for worrying too much about cancer and not enough about heart disease.
For women ages 35-74, cancer is the No. 1 threat, killing almost twice
as many women as heart disease, according to national statistics.

So if your doctor recommends a statin, ask about the side effects.
Find out if you have other risk factors for heart disease that justify
the medication. Male or female, "assume any new symptom you develop
after starting any new drug is caused by the drug," says Dr. Sidney
Wolfe, of Public Citizen. Report muscle aches, pain, tenderness or
weakness, and cognitive changes, and the sooner the better, Wolfe
says.

And make sure to tell the doctor what drugs you take.
Copyright =A9 2004, Newsday, Inc.=20


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