hbkta@aol.com (HB) wrote in
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> "The Good of the Spirit" <spiiriit@goodness.org> wrote in message
> news:<42383cc9$1@news.comindico.com.au>.. 
>
> That could be.
> I have heard such comments before.
> mostly from people who do not have the discipline of mind to sit for
> sadhana for any prolonged period; mostly from those whose minds run to
> the external world; mostly from those who consider the only valid
> field of activity, of service, to be visible physical action. you
> might like to re-read and think about micro-vitta
> 
>
> sounds like you have a really hard time acknowledging that anyone
> outside of AM can do anything.
> 
>
> "did" ?
> still do.
>
> - although what sort of classes, no one knows.
>
> Lots of people know, those who were there, those who attend present
> day classes
> 
>
> last I checked, only I can do my sadhana, no one else. so in that
> sense it is individualistic.
> "others" what "others"? Sarbam kevalam Brahma, Sarbam Brahmamayam
> Jagat
> "involved"? involved in what? involved how?



Hmmm.. well I have absolutely no credentials at all, but I did spend 15
years practicing Raja Yoga, 5 years teaching it, then another 5 years
studying Sufi meditation and it's connection to ancient Vedic
traditions. I've practiced contemplative prayer/meditation with
Catholics and meditated with Buddists. I can't say I know much as a
result however, so excuse my ignorance..

How does taking classes and practicing yoga give any one credentials? I
have been exposed to inner cricles of "Masters", who claim to have
"credentials". I found their arrogance, secret hatefullness towards
humanity, and self indulgence trully unimpressive.

So what is the point here?

Isn't it more important how one lives their life than how often they
mediate or pray in a day, or for that matter how long they've been
practicing. I've met far too many dysfunctional, mentally distrubed
"spiritual practicants" to be impressed with such things. What good is
experiencing higher spiritual states of mind in the vacuum of
meditation, when the person experiencing them treats dealing with the
world like a major inconvenience that distracts them from their blissful
self indulgence - or worse yet as an opportunity to exploit others with
their spiritual "credentials".

Maybe the questions should be: What kind of person are you? How do you
treat others? Is your life dominated by selfishness? Do you try to have
a positive impact on the world around you or is it all about you? Do you
claim that your self indulgent activies ARE your positive impact on the
world?

Maybe the sound of one hand clapping is actually the sound of getting
smacked up the side of the face by life itself!

- but you guys are the experts, so feel free to set me straight..I feel
stupider than ever.

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