In article <tb36e.3517$An2.966@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Tom
<dantoXSPAM@earthlink.net> writes
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>"Shez" <shez@oldcity.f2s.com> wrote in message
>news:BJJs$9AdeEWCFwC9@oldcity.f2s.com.. 
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>No, I don't.  I'm unsure how you arrived at that conclusion given what I
>wrote.

I suggest you re-read what you wrote.
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>Christian forgiveness has nothing to do with enabling sin.
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>Yes, forgiveness is not the same as permission.  People who confuse these
>two concepts are in error.

How often can you forgive someone for doing the same thing again and
again, if you don't make it socially unacceptable then it carries on
regardless it was not that many years ago when men could beat their
wives and children into the ground and would not suffer for it, they
only paid for what they did if they killed their victim.
That is now socially unacceptable, its no longer socially acceptable to
have the right to beat and abuse another human being.
And men who do abuse their wives and children go to prison it has cut
down on the amount of family abuse, it will never stop of course
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>The statistics on recidivism for sexual offenders don't support your
>conclusion.  Many do not re-offend.  Some offended in only a small way in a
>single instance while others were flagrant, predatory repeaters, yet you
>want to treat them all the same.  This isn't justice, Shez, this is the rul
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>of  fear and hatred.

The statistics in fact do support my stand, pedophiles can not change,
they are always going to be tempted to abuse children, and somehow or
other they manage to persuade themselves that its different for them,
that it wont really hurt the kids. That its love, not sex.
I have seen the children they have abused, some of them so young they
can hardly talk.. they don't trust anyone and you cant blame them, they
have been used and abused by an adult who should have been protecting
and caring for them, instead they have been used like throwaway toys.
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>It's pretty clear that you don't understand forgiveness at all.

I understand forgiveness perfectly well, I just don't confuse it with
religion and with forgiving people who can not change their behaviour. I
don't beleive that any child should be abused. And I don't beleive that
letting their abusers out into society is safe or acceptable.
Priests who abuse children can go into monastery's were they are away
from children, yet the Catholic church didnt do that.

Their is to much emphasis put on those who commit these crimes, and not
enough on those who suffer at the hands of these abusers.

The victims have rights to, and that is far to often forgotten.
doesn't it say in the Christian bible, an eye for an eye a tooth for a
tooth.. perhaps putting pedophiles in prison where they will be abused
is in fact fair.
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