Hello

I have seen many times that fasting is one of the way to produce an euphoric
/ altered state of consciousness..

They never showed or explained why and how.

Do you have first hand experience / can you refer me to some books and/or
sites?

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Elias

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lallous wrote:
> Hello
>
> I have seen many times that fasting is one of the way to produce an euphor
ic
> / altered state of consciousness..
>
> They never showed or explained why and how.
>

Its easy.  The body gets hungry and turns its attention to
the outside world in the effort to spot a meal.  The
focus on the inner world is reduced because food is more
important in life than daydreaming.  The more you are
starving the greater the senses awake, resulting
in greater perception.  More and more energy
will be put into finding a meal.  When a body
is fully satiated it goes into a torpor and your
dreaming can start all over again.  You do not
have to fast to this, just don't eat for 12 hours.  You
will suddenly get more energy, the body wants to
get up and begin its search, you will feel more
awake and alive.  Eat a big meal and you become a
slug.

Wade

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omjaram wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I personally do not equate "spiritual awareness" with any physical
> or psychic phenomenon or perception. I see these as expressions of the
> material (manifest) universe, of which, spirit is transcendent.
>
> Thank you for pointing up that I phrased my comment as a statement
> which might be construed to apply to others, rather then to me
> specifically. Let me rephrase:
>
> "While undertaking a well managed and responsible fast I have
> experienced some spacey feelings; heightened perceptions and spiritual
> awareness."

My question would be, what were you spiritually aware of?

> Concerning the trick with the dog I will defer to you, as I have never
> tried that.
>
> Namaste

Nor have I.  However, I find my dog's XXX to be a fine
placeholder for whatever you find common and mundane in
the world.  Those who postulate that 'spiritual awareness'
is special or exotic obviously don't know what they are
talking about.  This puts them in the same category as
about 99% of anyone else talking about such 'awareness'.

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> My question would be, what were you spiritually aware of?

That I wasn't eating and I wasn't dead. That what I believed about
eating was a lie and probably what I believe about everything is also a
lie. That there are lots of things going on, of which I have no
awareness. That I could never "know" anything again. Common,
mundane stuff like that :-)

I have noticed that awareness doesn't change anything for me. I
simply am more aware. I may change something in my life in response to
my awareness. But the awareness it's self doesn't change anything.
For me, enlightenment isn't about being anything, or doing anything
because I am whole and perfect right now. Always have been and always
will be, no matter what lie I tell myself to the contrary.

For me Realization / Transcendence / Enlightenment is about being aware
and accepting reality (Truth). I look at it as a process, not a state
of being. In reality, who I am, where I am, when I am, can't change
because am perfectly me, right here, right now and can be nothing else.


There are all degrees of which I can be aware of (my) self. At one end
where I am suffering, making mistakes, terrified yet still feel a
little something somewhere, that says I'm OK, this is not really who
I am. Or the other end where I am aware of the Truth of who I am; and
still suffer, make mistakes and I am frightened,  (much, much less so).
Eventually I will learn and practice letting go of all of my fear and
the suffering that comes with it.

In the mean time fasting very much supports my physical, mental and
spiritual path towards awareness and I recommend it highly to anyone
for any reason (even your dog who sounds like she is carring 99% of the
weight of the world  :-)

Namaste

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Hi,

I personally do not equate "spiritual awareness" with any physical
or psychic phenomenon or perception. I see these as expressions of the
material (manifest) universe, of which, spirit is transcendent.

Thank you for pointing up that I phrased my comment as a statement
which might be construed to apply to others, rather then to me
specifically. Let me rephrase:

"While undertaking a well managed and responsible fast I have
experienced some spacey feelings; heightened perceptions and spiritual
awareness."

Concerning the trick with the dog I will defer to you, as I have never
tried that.

Namaste

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