Time is not a state of mind! This is reducs. The state of mind is
CONSCIOUSNESS. People should learn this first,instead bulliying!

In reality if there is any MOVEMENT of any particles, then there is
time to indicate this MOVEMENT.How else  can you indicate the placement
of the particle?

That is it.It is very simple. So please do not be  a stup bulliying
other way around!

With comassion,

Puma

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Hi,

There is neither time nor movement. These are constructs created by
humans to help manage their existence on the material plane. In reality
(think/meditate about it) there is only here and only now. The ability
to know or perceive this is what I think Carlos Casteneta's, Don Juan
meant by "stopping the world".

Namaste

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The mind is like a muscle - it is conditioned and must have many
states and views, and will reflect on anything..

Your statement is not connected to the mind, but to a believe of the
TIME
reality, which is only a believe. The problem to view the terminology
of
union of the space and time separately – like words (time) … (space)
is
also some activity of the mind bound by mental reflexes – to respond
or react…brake and destroy.

In an academic view the time is a projection as a part of the human
Ego to relate to an external reality in respect of identification with
own physical body.

As soon as Identification with the body will become weaker, the sense
or believe of the time also will become less important in same way as
of physical side of universe.

Only spiritually growing by practicing Dereflexation, the human may
exist in different reality of time and space, separating him/herself
from the conditional reality of the mind and body, re-appearing in the
Spiritual Entity of Blissful Existence as pure spirit.

With compassion

N 

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"puma" <puma@dowse.com> wrote in message
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> Time is not a state of mind! This is reducs. The state of mind is
> CONSCIOUSNESS. People should learn this first,instead bulliying!
>
> In reality if there is any MOVEMENT of any particles, then there is
> time to indicate this MOVEMENT.How else  can you indicate the placement
> of the particle?
>

even if i define time for you, will that solve your problem(s) ?

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Dear Anon,

The subject matter is not my problem(s). The subject matter is REALITY.
No one can change it. If there is any movement,then there is
TIME..That is so simple. Any normal mind is able to get it.When we
want to see anything, we should be OBJECTIVE that is aside from our
personal problems as you have indicated..Only personal problem owners
might be able to see things as they wish..

With compassion,

Puma

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omjaram wrote:
> Hi,
>
> There is neither time nor movement. These are constructs created by
> humans to help manage their existence on the material plane. In
reality
> (think/meditate about it) there is only here and only now. The
ability
> to know or perceive this is what I think Carlos Casteneta's, Don Juan
> meant by "stopping the world".
>
> Namaste

Hi Omjaram,

I have a great respect for you there. If what you are saying is
correct,to check it please kindly look at your picture at the age of
seven,and also your picture of now. Put them together if these two
pictures are same,then no movement at all.. If there is any difference
that means there is a movement of all the particles of your body..

Reality is such a thing no one can change it my dear. If there is a
movement that can only be shown by time..This is the reality..

NOW is such a reality that, its wideness is infinite that is the fact.
This infinity is the one which alters your mind..So there is time
depening on MOVEMENT.

No one can change the reality.. Reality is the fact which is
independent of our minds..

With compassion,

Puma

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Puma,

Thank you for your kind word.

> No one can change the reality.. Reality is the fact which is
> independent of our minds..

A wonderful statement of the Absolute Truth.

> If what you are saying is
> correct,to check it please kindly look at your picture at the age of
> seven,and also your picture of now. Put them together if these two
> pictures are same,then no movement at all.. If there is any difference
> that means there is a movement of all the particles of your body..

> Reality is such a thing no one can change it my dear. If there is a
> movement that can only be shown by time..This is the reality..

I agree with you Puma, you are correct (relatively) and only a mad man
would deny your reasoning. To me your logic is flawless.

However, the ease with which you make your case, might give you pause to
consider that there may be something more. Think about it. If it's as
easy to understand as presented, then wouldn't everyone get it?

In my experience, the existence of "Now" (therefore the non-existence of
time/change) is not an easy intellectual/philosophical (Jnana) notion to
grasp. It is harder still to know (Raja), appreciate (Bhakti) and live
by (Karma).  In fact, while my "normal" mind may be able to comprehend
the probable existence of a "now", it is far from equipped to "see" it.
This is my purpose in pursuing meditation; in fact the whole of Yoga. To
allow me, the knower, to know, what's known; "Now"!

One technique I have tried is to sit quietly and focus my mind with the
purpose of seeing "now". I look for "now" until I can find/see/feel/know
it. I anticipate "now's" coming and watch until it changes from the
future into the "now." Relentlessly I try to catch the "now" before it
slips into the past. I have tried as hard as I can to proof to myself
that what you think is true. After becoming tired and frustrated enough,
and quite without my will or intention, I have been given a brief
awareness of "now" (I got the real "me" thrown into the deal as well).
I've been chasing after "now" ever sense ;-)

Namaste

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>
> Dear Anon,
>
> The subject matter is not my problem(s). The subject matter is REALITY.
> No one can change it. If there is any movement,then there is
> TIME..That is so simple. Any normal mind is able to get it.When we

i don't understand these big and fashionable words like "reality". there is
the universe which we exist in. change is a fact of that universe. time is a
concept to make sense of the change.

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On 2005-03-13 16:41:33 -0800, "anon" <me@privacy.net> said:

>
> "puma" <puma@dowse.com> wrote in message
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Puma that is a very Aristotelian argument.  But movement itself is
illusionary.  Movement of what?  Matter.  Matter is energy.

And we know what Einstein thinks of the relationship between matter,
energy and time.  Just bouncing balls of relativity.
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>
> i don't understand these big and fashionable words like "reality".
> there is the universe which we exist in.

Anon choses the existential argument.  After all Puma's realist
argument is subject to rationality.  And we all know that rationality
can lead to false conclusions.  Perfectly rational people thought the
earth was flat.  Aristotle himself, the father of common sense
philosophy and extreme rationality in the form of Logos, believed the
sun circled the earth.  For him it wasn't a belief it was common sense,
logic and a scientific conclusion.

So Anon eschews the rational approach for the existential.  We
experience the universe around us so it is.


> change is a fact of that universe. time is a concept to make sense of
> the change.

Consciousness manifests the universe.  The change we see in the
universe is the evidence that the Kosmos is an extension of
Consciousness.  A transitory realm with a foundation of Being.

The work of yoga is to lift the veil of illusion and contact Being in
and of itself.

Or at least thats my impression.
--
~Stu

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The mind is like a muscle - it is conditioned and must have many
states and views, and will reflect on anything..

Your statement is not connected to the mind, but to a believe of the
TIME
reality, which is only a believe. The problem to view the terminology
of
union of the space and time separately – like words (time) … (space)
is
also some activity of the mind bound by mental reflexes – to respond
or react…brake and destroy.

In an academic view the time is a projection as a part of the human
Ego to relate to an external reality in respect of identification with
own physical body.

As soon as Identification with the body will become weaker, the sense
or believe of the time also will become less important in same way as
of physical side of universe.

Only spiritually growing by practicing Dereflexation, the human may
exist in different reality of time and space, separating him/herself
from the conditional reality of the mind and body, re-appearing in the
Spiritual Entity of Blissful Existence as pure spirit.

With compassion

N 

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