 Re: 5yo cuffed ;Principal suspended.DHS MO silent
billy f wrote:
> Hi Greegor,
> Of course I do not believe that a school or a police officer should
use a
> Taser on a child. There is a movement by police forces across the
country to
> have all officers carry them. The reason for this is to cut down on
officers
> having to pull their guns, use mace or night sticks.
Data shows that the number of shootings, that is with a firearm, and
fatalities decrease considerably with switching to tasers.
> The problem is some
> officers are waiting to try out their new toy and using it them when
it not
> needed.
The problem is you have a problem with authority and expect those with
it to all be corrupt. They are no more corrupt than any other large
body of people. In fact I'd lay odds they are less so but get caught
more because of their higher profile in the public eye.
>I think their is a major problem is a school or police officer can't
> get control of nine year old without shocking them.
I think there is a major problem that you failed to read, or if read,
failed to comprehend. This nine year old boy had pieces of broken
glass. He had cut his face near the eye with it already, had threatened
other adults with trying to cut them if they came near, and he had also
cut his arm..each move a deliberate purposeful act on his part.
When the officers tried to approach, before they could reach him, or
talk him down he started sawing on his leg with the class. The edge of
a piece of freshly broken glass is equivalent to a straight razor
freshly stropped. He could have gone to the femoral artery in a blink.
Kids that age usually don't don't have a lot of muscle tissue, or even
fat, built up to pad things.
They saved that boy's life. I wrote and thanked the officers, and urged
their bosses to commend rather than condemn them. The parent of that
child owe those LEOs a great dept for doing what they did as fast as
they did it.
I recall a scene about 6 or 7 years ago, were a boy was being held by a
madman with a knife to his throat in his own bedroom. Officers tried to
talk the guy into putting down the knife. He was drawing it across the
child's throat when the officers shot. They killed the boy, and the
perp.
Would you have rather they not have Taser? Which of course they did
not.
> If you have seen any of my post on this group you will see that I'm
very
> much if favor of parents using spanking as a form of discipline. Of
course
> spanking is only a small part of parenting and some children never
need it.
Of course you are. and no, even a single use of it in a child hood is
NOT a small part from the child's perspective.
> I do not believe that parents are always at fault for a child
misbehaving.
Of course not. But they can build a resitent powerstruggling child very
quickly with CP. Some will fight back openly, and some will become
sneaks.
> I
> do have a problem with parents making their children out to be a
victim
> every time the school tries to discipline them. Im sure you know that
while
> a child might be a little angel at home they can be a monster at
school.
That's a perfect example of the kid that can't fight back against his
beloved parents but will go and take his or her rage out in the
community. Can hardly wait to grow up those kiddies.
> School have to be able to discipline and parents need to back them
up. If
> parents would do this rather than always defending their childs
action the
> child would in most cases get in trouble less. Of couse their are
times when
> a parent does need to defend their child and should.
Oh, you mean paddle, don't you.
It's not working, and it's very dangerous:
http://www.corpun.com/uss00303.htm
It's only fair that I warn anyone wishing to view by posting the
warning that came with this link below:
Are our children safe at your school? (If this or any other PDF page
fails to open due to a popup blocker on your system, hold down the
"Ctrl" button and click the link again.) Photographs of
schoolchildren's paddling-related injuries and an open letter to
educators and education policymakers in paddling districts
WARNING - These images may be deeply disturbing to some viewers. Do not
open this page if children are present.
http://nospank.net/a7-04.pdf
> School are running out of option and suspension both in and out of
school
> are becoming the only options. When I was in elementary school not a
single
> child was suspended.
A paddling school?
> Suspension didn't start happening until middle school
> and it was usually for fighting. I'm sure Greegor that this principle
was at
> his wits end and did this with the child's interest at heart. If I
found out
> my child misbehaved so bad that a principle had to take those
measures he
> would likely be punished when he got home. This is not a issue of
Zero
> Tolerance, this child had been a problem for awhile.
What you have, billf, is greegor, obviously grown from a spanked child.
What he's done TO you here is what he does to his opponents. He failed
to give you all the information, and set you up.
There as no paddling or other discipline issue here. Just a child gone
out of control and a terrible danger to himself. He was about to
suicide by glass.
And he has used a "9 year old" to lie to you. Their were three major
incidents being discussed where questions about the use of Taser came
up.
The 9 year old with the self inflicted injuries using broken glass.
A 15 year old, or possibly older, teen boy that had been asked to
simply put away a gameboy during math class, sent to the AP's office,
who asked him to leave it with him until after school, and another
refusal to comply, and a cop that was asked to assist. The cop did as
cops must..he did a Terri Pat, and the boy attacked him. And two or
three people couldn't control him physically.
The third one was the most difficult to assess, because there were no
witnesses apparently. But it was yet another matter of life saving. A
12 year old girl had cut classes and done the backyard party thing that
kids do nowadays when cutting class. They go to one of their homes
where the parents are away at work, and they party up the yard. She was
drunk. The officer that came was returning her to SCHOOL.and she ran,
right toward traffic. He could not catch her on foot.
He tased her to stop her before this drunk ran into traffic. Yet
another child whose parents owe a great debt to an LEO that thought
fast and smart.
While you and I are miles apart in our beliefs about children, you will
NOT find me concealing information like your twit buddy just did and
entrapping.
I fight fair. If mean..r r r r r r
I don't doubt but what we could find cases of misuse of the Taser. I do
not think these three instances would qualify as misuse. And I DO
respect that deaths of perps and alledged perps and BYSTANDERS has gone
way way down with cops deploying taser.
Did you know that police have, in situations where firearms are used,
about 11 times the rate of shooting innocent bystanders than legally
armed citizens do?
Don't blame the cops though. The difference is explained by the citizen
being ON scene at the time of the defensive shooting and KNOWING the
perp is, and the police arriving only after the crime and the perp is
not clearly identified.
Yet, if you put a taser in their hand where it can be used that would
lower the peripheral damage and damage to many a suspect. Out of about
500k uses they've had less than 10 deaths as I recall. But you can find
the exact information by going back and looking at the threads in the
ng on the subject.
I won't con you. Greegor will. It's all he knows:
http://tinyurl.com/4sk2r
Enjoy. And if you appreciate what those cops did for those kids, send
an e-mail to their departments giving credit to the quick thinking
officers.
Even the one with the gameboy teen. It could have gone very bad very
quick without a harmless way to subdue that boy. Taser hurts, it
doesn't kill.
Kane
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