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Parents Stand Up For ADD/ADHD Kid's Learning Rights
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35/1003

Parents, stand up for ADD, ADHD kids' learning rights

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
I am writing this letter so that other parents don't have to go through the
same nightmare that I had to. If your child has Attention Deficit Disorder o
r
Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder and attends elementary school, good
luck on trying to get help for them. All the school wants is to have your ch
ild
on medication and push them aside.

In my case I took their advice and put my child on medicine. While on medici
ne,
her grades actually went down but the school said she was doing better. My
child was supposed to be going into the fourth grade in 2003. At the end of
third grade, we found out that she had a first-grade reading level. We thoug
ht
it would be best if we held her back a year. We found out that kids with ADD
 or
ADHD can get help through a program called the 504 Plan. The school never to
ld
us about the plan or wouldn't help us.

ADD and ADHD are considered disabilities. The school was punishing her by
keeping her in for recess all the time for not getting her work finished on
time. They wanted to put the blame on the parents and make us out to be the 
bad
ones. We finally had to get an attorney to get the school to abide by the 50
4
guidelines. We spent thousands of dollars on tutors, testing and attorney fe
es
because the school failed to do its job. I thought that was why I paid taxes
.
All the money was worth it, though, because I care.

Don't let this happen to your child. Stand up for your rights and your child
.
Things should not have to go this far.

Tina Williams,

Fountain City


Originally published November 14, 2004





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Re: Parents Stand Up For ADD/ADHD Kid's Learning Rights

"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041119012547.08198.00000970@mb-m04.aol.com..
> http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.d../NEWS03/4111403
> 35/1003
>
> Parents, stand up for ADD, ADHD kids' learning rights

Excellent resources for parents of special needs kids:

www.wrightslaw.com

I met Pete Wright a few years ago at a seminar for parents. I personally
recommend his books, and, more importantly, his strategies, in securing the
needs of the special child.

www.ldonline.org

A wealth of resources.

Disclaimer: I have no financial interest in these sites. My sole
remuneration will be knowing that a child is better off.

Now, back to this..

> I am writing this letter so that other parents don't have to go through
the
> same nightmare that I had to. If your child has Attention Deficit Disorder
or
> Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder and attends elementary school,
good
> luck on trying to get help for them. All the school wants is to have your
child
> on medication and push them aside.

While no one ever dared to tell me that my son needed medication, one person
did have the nerve to suggest dietn, neurofeedback, etc. I filed a complaint
against their license, as would have done if they had suggested medication.

However, the writer is absolutely correct in that the parent has to fight,
year after year, to get the services first written into the IEP and then
actually implemented. Ink is cheap, implementation costs money. Schools do
not get a bounty for every child that is classified special ed.

> In my case I took their advice and put my child on medicine. While on
medicine,
> her grades actually went down but the school said she was doing better. My
> child was supposed to be going into the fourth grade in 2003. At the end
of
> third grade, we found out that she had a first-grade reading level. We
thought
> it would be best if we held her back a year. We found out that kids with
ADD or
> ADHD can get help through a program called the 504 Plan. The school never
told
> us about the plan or wouldn't help us.

That is why I posted the above links. Parents have got to know their child's
rights. Period. A 504 plan is OK, in some circumstances, but, offers less
due process protection than the plan under I.D.E.A. which is about to be
overhauled by the Bush administration.

> ADD and ADHD are considered disabilities.

They are not considered disabilities under I.D.E.A., but may be under a 504
plan. The distinction is that if the child has a learning disability outside
of AD/HD then they should definitely be under a IEP pursuant to I.D.E.A.

The school was punishing her by
> keeping her in for recess all the time for not getting her work finished
on
> time. They wanted to put the blame on the parents and make us out to be
the bad
> ones.

Sounds typical of many schools. We found that our district would find any
reason to excuse their behavior, or their staffs behavior, unless we
anticipated the excuses well in advance and made allowances for them.

> We finally had to get an attorney to get the school to abide by the 504
> guidelines. We spent thousands of dollars on tutors, testing and attorney
fees
> because the school failed to do its job. I thought that was why I paid
taxes.
> All the money was worth it, though, because I care.

Under IDEA, the fees, etc. would be reimbursed if litigation was necessary
to enforce the child's rights.

> Don't let this happen to your child. Stand up for your rights and your
child.
> Things should not have to go this far.

See the above links, join support groups, like CHADD, etc. and form a
Special education Parent Teacher Association (SEPTA) in your school or
district.

Jan, thanks for posting this off topic posts, and I hope it helps someone.






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Re: Parents Stand Up For ADD/ADHD Kid's Learning Rights
>Subject: Re: Parents Stand Up For ADD/ADHD Kid's Learning Rights
>From: "Mark Probert" MarkProbert@lumbercartel.com
>Date: 11/19/2004 7:26 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <qgond.19628$hc5.11189359@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

>
>Jan, thanks for posting this off topic posts,

Yeah, right, it's off topic what drugs did to this child.

>
>Disclaimer: I have no financial interest in these sites. My sole
>remuneration will be knowing that a child is better off.

Uh huh.

And there wasn't an asbestos cover-up and anyone who says their was is a lia
r.
That is a fact.

[vbcol=seagreen]
>http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.d../NEWS03/4111403 





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Re: Parents Stand Up For ADD/ADHD Kid's Learning Rights

"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041119155221.00405.00000967@mb-m17.aol.com.. 
> 
>
> Yeah, right, it's off topic what drugs did to this child.

Considering the problems the parent was having withthe school district, I
cannot conclude that meications caused the problem. I have been a parent
advocate and parent member of the district special education committee for
over 15 years. I have seen parents who are doing everything that they can
for their child, and, regardless of their using medication, the child
regresses because the schools do not provide the proper form and levels of
special education.
 
>
> Uh huh.

Yes. Did you bother to read the sites? For your convenience:

www.wrightslaw.com

is owned by Pete Wright. You can email him, or his lovely wife, and ask
them.

www.ldonline.org

is, as is posted on the website, a production of WETA which is a public
broadcasting channel in Washington, D.C.

Obviously, you skipped the reading part and went right to the "bashing Mark"
part. Shame on you.

snip of non-responsive bashing.






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Re: Parents Stand Up For ADD/ADHD Kid's Learning Rights

"Mark Probert" <Mark Probert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:xKtnd.23627$hc5.12027919@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net..
>
> "Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20041119155221.00405.00000967@mb-m17.aol.com.. 
>
> Considering the problems the parent was having withthe school district, I
> cannot conclude that meications caused the problem. I have been a parent
> advocate and parent member of the district special education committee for
> over 15 years. I have seen parents who are doing everything that they can
> for their child, and, regardless of their using medication, the child
> regresses because the schools do not provide the proper form and levels of
> special education.
> 
>
> Yes. Did you bother to read the sites? For your convenience:
>
> www.wrightslaw.com
>
> is owned by Pete Wright. You can email him, or his lovely wife, and ask
> them.
>
> www.ldonline.org
>
> is, as is posted on the website, a production of WETA which is a public
> broadcasting channel in Washington, D.C.
>
> Obviously, you skipped the reading part and went right to the "bashing
Mark"
> part. Shame on you.
>
> snip of non-responsive bashing.

BTW, if it was not hard enough for parents to get help for their kids under
the old law, it is about to be made harder:

http://www.wrightslaw.com/news/2003..s.advocates.pdf






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Re: Parents Stand Up For ADD/ADHD Kid's Learning Rights
>Subject: Re: Parents Stand Up For ADD/ADHD Kid's Learning Rights
>From: "Mark Probert" MarkProbert@lumbercartel.com
>Date: 11/19/2004 1:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <xKtnd.23627$hc5.12027919@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
>
>
>"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20041119155221.00405.00000967@mb-m17.aol.com.. 
>
>Considering the problems the parent was having withthe school district, I
>cannot conclude that meications caused the problem.

Snort.

See what the *parent*  concluded.

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.d../NEWS03/4111403
35/1003



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Re: Parents Stand Up For ADD/ADHD Kid's Learning Rights

"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041119175823.05947.00000534@mb-m19.aol.com.. 
>
> Snort.
>
> See what the *parent*  concluded.
>
> http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.d../NEWS03/4111403
> 35/1003

You mean this?

"While on medicine, her grades actually went down but the school said she
was doing better."

Read the ENTIRE article for context. If you do, you will see that the
parent's complaint is the lack of special educational services. They were
passing the buck to medication and not providing special education services.
IOW, the district was copping out on their duty to the child under the law.

Why does this not concern you?

Medication alone is never the answer, as I have said countless times, and
their failure to provide supportive services is quite typical (sadly) of
many school districts.






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Re: Parents Stand Up For ADD/ADHD Kid's Learning Rights
>Subject: Re: Parents Stand Up For ADD/ADHD Kid's Learning Rights
>From: "Mark Probert" MarkProbert@lumbercartel.com
>Date: 11/20/2004 6:35 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <H9Tnd.27019$hc5.16247328@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
>
>
>"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20041119175823.05947.00000534@mb-m19.aol.com.. 
>
>You mean this?

I meant just exactly like I said.

I'm not interested in what you concluded.

Consideratin your conclusions are many times wrong, and you are a proven lia
r,
Marla.

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.d../NEWS03/4111403
35/1003

Parents, stand up for ADD, ADHD kids' learning rights

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
I am writing this letter so that other parents don't have to go through the
same nightmare that I had to. If your child has Attention Deficit Disorder o
r
Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder and attends elementary school, good
luck on trying to get help for them. All the school wants is to have your ch
ild
on medication and push them aside.

In my case I took their advice and put my child on medicine. While on medici
ne,
her grades actually went down but the school said she was doing better. My
child was supposed to be going into the fourth grade in 2003. At the end of
third grade, we found out that she had a first-grade reading level. We thoug
ht
it would be best if we held her back a year. We found out that kids with ADD
 or
ADHD can get help through a program called the 504 Plan. The school never to
ld
us about the plan or wouldn't help us.

ADD and ADHD are considered disabilities. The school was punishing her by
keeping her in for recess all the time for not getting her work finished on
time. They wanted to put the blame on the parents and make us out to be the 
bad
ones. We finally had to get an attorney to get the school to abide by the 50
4
guidelines. We spent thousands of dollars on tutors, testing and attorney fe
es
because the school failed to do its job. I thought that was why I paid taxes
.
All the money was worth it, though, because I care.

Don't let this happen to your child. Stand up for your rights and your child
.
Things should not have to go this far.

Tina Williams,

Fountain City


Originally published November 14, 2004






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Re: Parents Stand Up For ADD/ADHD Kid's Learning Rights

"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
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district, I[vbcol=seagreen] 
http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.d../NEWS03/4111403[vbcol=seagreen] 
>
> I meant just exactly like I said.

Originally, you said only a URL.

> I'm not interested in what you concluded.

IOW, you are not interested in my PERSONAL experience and facts. Fair
enough.

> Consideratin your conclusions are many times wrong, and you are a proven
liar,
> Mark.

Only in the mass of protoplasm you incorrectly call a mind.

>
> http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.d../NEWS03/4111403
> 35/1003
>
> Parents, stand up for ADD, ADHD kids' learning rights
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
> I am writing this letter so that other parents don't have to go through
the
> same nightmare that I had to. If your child has Attention Deficit Disorder
or
> Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder and attends elementary school,
good
> luck on trying to get help for them. All the school wants is to have your
child
> on medication and push them aside.
>
> In my case I took their advice and put my child on medicine. While on
medicine,
> her grades actually went down but the school said she was doing better. My
> child was supposed to be going into the fourth grade in 2003. At the end
of
> third grade, we found out that she had a first-grade reading level. We
thought
> it would be best if we held her back a year. We found out that kids with
ADD or
> ADHD can get help through a program called the 504 Plan. The school never
told
> us about the plan or wouldn't help us.

See, Janny..hee is where this parent points to the real problem. The school
suggests medicatgion, but does not tell the parent that their kid may be
eligible for special education support.

THAT is the real problem, you nitwit.

> ADD and ADHD are considered disabilities. The school was punishing her by
> keeping her in for recess all the time for not getting her work finished
on
> time. They wanted to put the blame on the parents and make us out to be
the bad
> ones. We finally had to get an attorney to get the school to abide by the
504
> guidelines. We spent thousands of dollars on tutors, testing and attorney
fees
> because the school failed to do its job. I thought that was why I paid
taxes.
> All the money was worth it, though, because I care.
>
> Don't let this happen to your child. Stand up for your rights and your
child.
> Things should not have to go this far.


See? The parent says R I G H T S. That is what this is about.

Does it give you migraines being this stupid?






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Re: Parents Stand Up For ADD/ADHD Kid's Learning Rights
Subject: Re: Parents Stand Up For ADD/ADHD Kid's Learning Rights From: "Mark
Probert" MarkProbert@lumbercartel.com Date: 11/20/2004 8:32 PM Pacific Stand
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Time Message-id: <nTUnd.27152$hc5.16509969@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>


"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
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and
Up For ADD/ADHD Kid's Learning Rights From: "Mark Probert"
MarkProbert@lumbercartel.com Date: 11/20/2004 6:35 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
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MarkProbert@lumbercartel.com Date: 11/19/2004 1:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
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and
Up For ADD/ADHD Kid's Learning Rights From: "Mark Probert"
MarkProbert@lumbercartel.com Date: 11/19/2004 7:26 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <qgond.19628$hc5.11189359@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>


Jan, thanks for posting this off topic posts,

Yeah, right, it's off topic what drugs did to this child.

Considering the problems the parent was having withthe school district, I
cannot conclude that meications caused the problem.

Snort.

See what the *parent*  concluded.


http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.d../NEWS03/4111403
35/1003

You mean this?

I meant just exactly like I said.

Originally, you said only a URL.

This email was cleaned by emailStripper, available for free from
http://www.printcharger.com/emailStripper.htm

You are floundering again,

I posted a URL

>I'm not interested in what you concluded.

>IOW, you are not interested in my PERSONAL experience and facts. Fair
>enough.

Wrong, I are not interested in your lies.

> Consideratin your conclusions are many times wrong, and you are a proven
>liar, Mark.

>Only in the mass of protoplasm you incorrectly call a mind.

That's another lie.

Your lies have been proven timr and time again.

Several of them in the past two days.

>http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.d../NEWS03/4111403 
[vbcol=seagreen] 
>the 
>or 
>child> on medication and push them aside.
 
>medicine, 
>of  third grade, we found out that she had a first-grade reading level. We
>though it would be best if we held her back a year. We found out that kids
with
>ADD or ADHD can get help through a program called the 504 Plan. The school
never told us about the plan or wouldn't help us.

>See, Janny..hee is where this parent points to the real problem. The schoo
l
>suggests medicatgion, but does not tell the parent that their kid may be
>eligible for special education support.

>THAT is the real problem, you nitwit.

I agree the school was at fault, however the REAL problem is the medication
HARMED, not helped.

<insults snipped>



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