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Amanita, articles and image links, with full references:
(About 10 minutes work.)

Poisoning with spotted and red mushrooms--pathogenesis, symptoms, treatment
Wiad Lek
Vol 49 (No. 1-6) 1996, 66-71
by K. Tupalska-Wilczynska; R. Ignatowicz; A. Pozlemski; H. Wojcik; G.
Wilczynski



----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----



[Article in Polish]

Amanita pantherina and Amanita muscaria are commonly occurring mushrooms in
Polish forests. They contain ibotenic acid and muscimol: the substances
reacting with neurotransmitter receptors in central nervous system. The
ingestion of these mushrooms produces a distinctive syndrome consisting of
alternating phases of drowsiness and agitation with hallucinations, and
sometimes with convulsions. The diagnosis of Amanita pantherina or Amanita
muscaria poisoning is established by means of mycologic investigation of
gastric lavage. The treatment is only symptomatic, and the prognosis is
usually good.


__________________________________________________________

Pharmacology of Amanita muscaria
by Erowid
December 2001



----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

The primary active chemicals known in Amanita muscaria and A. pantherina
are: Muscimol, Ibotenic Acid, Muscazone, and Muscarine. Muscimol is
considered the principle psychoactive, with oral dosages of pure muscimol
around 10-15 milligrams 1,2. Ibotenic acid is also active orally, but at
doses 5-8 times higher than those of muscimol 2,3. The other chemicals are
only present in trace amounts in the mushrooms, well below their active
levels in humans. The pharmacology of A. muscaria is not fully understood,
but the following chemicals are considered the primary candidates:

Muscimol: Muscimol's primary action is at GABA receptor sites as a potent
GABA-A agonist. Muscimol is commonly used in lab research on the GABA, which
is a primary inhibitory neurotransmitter. Muscimol has been shown to be
active in several parts of the brain including the cerebral cortex,
hippocampus, and cerebellum 4.

Ibotenic Acid: The current view is that Ibotenic Acid does not cross the
blood brain barrier unchanged and is partially metabolised into muscimole
and the rest excreted. Ibotenic acid, however, has been shown to be a potent
neurotoxin when injected directly in the brains of mice and rats and is used
as a potent brain-lesioning agent. It is structurally similar to glutamate
and activates NMDA receptors, but this is not likely to be involved
significantly with the effects of A. muscaria.

Muscarine: Muscarine is known to affect acetylcholine levels and acts at
muscarinic receptors, named for this chemical. While the levels of muscarine
in A. muscaria are quite low (.002% - .003% by dry weight)5, some of the
effects of A. muscaria are characteristic of cholinergic involvement.

Muscazone: Muscazone is also a possible breakdown product of Ibotenic Acid
and Ott describes it as a possible "artifact of isolation procedures" which
is "of dubious psychoactivity". It is not considered to be a substantial
part of the psychoactive effects of A. muscaria.

Other Chemicals: Several other chemicals have been reported in A. muscaria,
some of them erroneously.

Bufotenin (5-OH-DMT): One paper in 1953 (Wieland & Motzel) claimed to find
bufotenin in A. muscaria extract but all subsequent research failed to
confirm this result. Bufotenin is also not very potent when taken orally.
Bufotenin is not believed to be present in the muscaria-class amanitas.

l-hyoscayamine (isomer of atropine): One paper (Lewis 1955) reported finding
l-hyoscayamine in A. muscaria & A. pantherina from South Africa, but
subsequent researchers failed to confirm this finding. This mistaken claim
was repeated in the movie Altered States, but all current references
consider this an error.

Misc: stizolobinic acid, stizolobic acid, methyltetrahydrocarboline
carboxylic acid. Isolated by some researchers in some A. muscaria mushrooms,
of unknown activity, but not considered to be significant in the
psychoactive effects of the muscaria mushrooms.



Notes

Theobald W, Bush O, Kunz HA, Krupp P, Stenger EG, Heimann H. 1968.
"Pharmakologische und experimentalpsychologische Untersuchungen mit 2
Inhaltsstoffen des Fleigenpilzes" Arzneim-Forsch 18:311-15.
Waser PG. "The pharmacology of A muscaria" In Ethnopharmacologic Search for
Psychoactive Drugs Efron DH, Homsted B, Kline NS eds. 1967
Chilton WS. 1975. "The course of an intentional poisoning" McIlvainea 2:
17-18
Ito Y, Segawa K, Fukuda H. 1995 "Functional diversity of GABAA receptor
ligand-gated chloride channels in rat synaptoneurosomes" Synapse
19(3):188-96.
Eugster CH. 1968. "Wirkstoffe aus dem Fligenpilz" Naturwissenshaften, 55:
305-13.


References:

Spinella, Marcello. "Psychopharmacology of Herbal Medicine" MIT Press, 2001.
pp 386-390.
Ott, Jonathan. "Pharmacotheon" Natural Products Co, 1996. pp 323-358.
Schultes & Hofmann. "Botany & Chemistry of Hallucinogens" Charles C Thomas,
1980. pp 45-55.

________________________________

Photographs of the main toxic Amanitas:

<http://images.google.co.uk/images?h..amanita+phalloi
des+virosa&spell=1 >


Photographs of Amanita muscaria:

<http://images.google.co.uk/images?h..8&q=amanita+mus
caria&btnG=Google+Search>

Other red amanitas:

http://pluto.njcc.com/~ret/amanita/..s/bingensi.html

http://pluto.njcc.com/~ret/amanita/..s/rubrovol.html

same:

http://www5b.biglobe.ne.jp/~tmasai/himebe.html

__________________________

Search for 'Amanita muscaria toxicolgy', gives me:

"9.3  Course, prognosis, cause of death

Toxic effects appear 30 to 90 minutes after ingestion
and last usually for 6 hours but may persist for 12 to 24
hours.  Hangover is often observed the following day.  The
prognosis is usually good with symptomatic treatment.  Death
from these mushrooms is extremely rare (Chilton, 1978).
Although they sometimes produce dramatic intoxications with
extensive psychological and neurological effects these
mushrooms have a totally unwarranted reputation for being
"deadly poisonous". "

With regard to A. muscaria and A. pantharina. From:
http://www.inchem.org/documents/pims/fungi/pimg026.htm

More on toxicology:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanit.._journal8.shtml





Shaun aRe







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Delta Nine



Re: Amanita, articles and image links, with full references:
Shaun Rimmer wrote:
> (About 10 minutes work.)
>
> Poisoning with spotted and red mushrooms--pathogenesis, symptoms, treatmen
t
> Wiad Lek
> Vol 49 (No. 1-6) 1996, 66-71
> by K. Tupalska-Wilczynska; R. Ignatowicz; A. Pozlemski; H. Wojcik; G.
> Wilczynski
> <snipped for brevity>

Haha, good work Rimmer!  Maybe now that gomorrah guy will shut up.  Not
bloody likely, though.  Not that I can tell either way, I ker-Plonked him
days ago.
--
--------------
Peace,
Delta Nine


Life is very difficult.  Once you understand that, life becomes easier.
-Buddha

I'm tellin' ya D9, you can't go wrong with gallons and gallons of urine.
- T.D. Shadow




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Re: Amanita, articles and image links, with full references:

"Delta Nine" <d_nineNOSPAM@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:c3s6eh$7u7$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu..
> Shaun Rimmer wrote: 
treatment[vbcol=seagreen] 
>
> Haha, good work Rimmer!  Maybe now that gomorrah guy will shut up.

I just wanted to clear a few points up, for _anyone_ who might be interested
in the facts. I hate scaremongering w/regard to drugs etc. The _FACTS_ are
all anyone should need.

> Not
> bloody likely, though.  Not that I can tell either way, I ker-Plonked him
> days ago.

I've yet to kill file anybody. I just ignore them if I can't be bothered
with them. As for GG, I must admit to taking a slight bit of sadistic
pleasure in the way he was making himself look more and more foolish, every
time I presented him with the opportunity, merely by giving him _FACTS_ that
contradicted his ill-informed, arrogant, prideful rantings.

Hells, I only set out with the absolutely _genuine_ intent to help him, with
the correct information regarding A. muscaria. You know me well enough to
know that as truth.

Shaun aRe





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Re: Amanita, articles and image links, with full references:
Shaun Rimmer wrote:
> "Delta Nine" <d_nineNOSPAM@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:c3s6eh$7u7$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu..
> 
>
> treatment
> 
>
>
> I just wanted to clear a few points up, for _anyone_ who might be interest
ed
> in the facts. I hate scaremongering w/regard to drugs etc. The _FACTS_ are
> all anyone should need.
>
> 
>
>
> I've yet to kill file anybody. I just ignore them if I can't be bothered
> with them. As for GG, I must admit to taking a slight bit of sadistic
> pleasure in the way he was making himself look more and more foolish, ever
y
> time I presented him with the opportunity, merely by giving him _FACTS_ th
at
> contradicted his ill-informed, arrogant, prideful rantings.
>

If talking to a person continues to bear an uncanny resemblance to debating
a brick wall, then I'll plonk 'em.  Also, if they post their drivel in
repeated threads I'll plonk 'em.  It's just not worth the annoyance.

> Hells, I only set out with the absolutely _genuine_ intent to help him, wi
th
> the correct information regarding A. muscaria. You know me well enough to
> know that as truth.
>

Indeed I do.

> Shaun aRe
>
>


--
--------------
Peace,
Delta Nine


Life is very difficult.  Once you understand that, life becomes easier.
-Buddha

I'm tellin' ya D9, you can't go wrong with gallons and gallons of urine.
- T.D. Shadow




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Re: Amanita, articles and image links, with full references:

"Delta Nine" <d_nineNOSPAM@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:c3s89b$bbi$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu..
> Shaun Rimmer wrote: 
interested[vbcol=seagreen] 
are[vbcol=seagreen] 
him[vbcol=seagreen] 
every[vbcol=seagreen] 
that[vbcol=seagreen] 
>
> If talking to a person continues to bear an uncanny resemblance to
debating
> a brick wall, then I'll plonk 'em.  Also, if they post their drivel in
> repeated threads I'll plonk 'em.  It's just not worth the annoyance.

If I did that, I'd miss some funny stuff (for me!) - each to their own eh?
 
with[vbcol=seagreen] 
to[vbcol=seagreen] 
>
> Indeed I do.

Cheers mate,

Shaun aRe - Tokie?
--

O
O
0
o
,
'Ere - ~===U





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Re: Amanita, articles and image links, with full references:
Shaun Rimmer wrote:

> "Delta Nine" <d_nineNOSPAM@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:c3s89b$bbi$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu..
> 
>
> interested
> 
>
> are
> 
>
> him
> 
>
> every
> 
>
> that
> 
>
> debating
> 
>
>
> If I did that, I'd miss some funny stuff (for me!) - each to their own eh?
>

Ain't that the truth!

> 
>
> with
> 
>
> to
> 
>
>
> Cheers mate,
>
> Shaun aRe - Tokie?

Abso-XXXXin-lutely!  *puff puff pass*

--
--------------
Peace,
Delta Nine


Life is very difficult.  Once you understand that, life becomes easier.
-Buddha

I'm tellin' ya D9, you can't go wrong with gallons and gallons of urine.
- T.D. Shadow




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Katra



Re: Amanita, articles and image links, with full references:
In article <c3s5vu$29qd0b$1@ID-170198.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Shaun Rimmer" <shaun@newtronic.co.uk> wrote:

> (About 10 minutes work.)
>
> Poisoning with spotted and red mushrooms--pathogenesis, symptoms, treatmen
t
> Wiad Lek
> Vol 49 (No. 1-6) 1996, 66-71
> by K. Tupalska-Wilczynska; R. Ignatowicz; A. Pozlemski; H. Wojcik; G.
> Wilczynski
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ----
>
>
>
> [Article in Polish]
>
> Amanita pantherina and Amanita muscaria are commonly occurring mushrooms i
n
> Polish forests. They contain ibotenic acid and muscimol: the substances
> reacting with neurotransmitter receptors in central nervous system. The
> ingestion of these mushrooms produces a distinctive syndrome consisting of
> alternating phases of drowsiness and agitation with hallucinations, and
> sometimes with convulsions. The diagnosis of Amanita pantherina or Amanita
> muscaria poisoning is established by means of mycologic investigation of
> gastric lavage. The treatment is only symptomatic, and the prognosis is
> usually good.
>
>
> __________________________________________________________
>
> Pharmacology of Amanita muscaria
> by Erowid
> December 2001
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ----
>
> The primary active chemicals known in Amanita muscaria and A. pantherina
> are: Muscimol, Ibotenic Acid, Muscazone, and Muscarine. Muscimol is
> considered the principle psychoactive, with oral dosages of pure muscimol
> around 10-15 milligrams 1,2. Ibotenic acid is also active orally, but at
> doses 5-8 times higher than those of muscimol 2,3. The other chemicals are
> only present in trace amounts in the mushrooms, well below their active
> levels in humans. The pharmacology of A. muscaria is not fully understood,
> but the following chemicals are considered the primary candidates:
>
> Muscimol: Muscimol's primary action is at GABA receptor sites as a potent
> GABA-A agonist. Muscimol is commonly used in lab research on the GABA, whi
ch
> is a primary inhibitory neurotransmitter. Muscimol has been shown to be
> active in several parts of the brain including the cerebral cortex,
> hippocampus, and cerebellum 4.
>
> Ibotenic Acid: The current view is that Ibotenic Acid does not cross the
> blood brain barrier unchanged and is partially metabolised into muscimole
> and the rest excreted. Ibotenic acid, however, has been shown to be a pote
nt
> neurotoxin when injected directly in the brains of mice and rats and is us
ed
> as a potent brain-lesioning agent. It is structurally similar to glutamate
> and activates NMDA receptors, but this is not likely to be involved
> significantly with the effects of A. muscaria.
>
> Muscarine: Muscarine is known to affect acetylcholine levels and acts at
> muscarinic receptors, named for this chemical. While the levels of muscari
ne
> in A. muscaria are quite low (.002% - .003% by dry weight)5, some of the
> effects of A. muscaria are characteristic of cholinergic involvement.
>
> Muscazone: Muscazone is also a possible breakdown product of Ibotenic Acid
> and Ott describes it as a possible "artifact of isolation procedures" whic
h
> is "of dubious psychoactivity". It is not considered to be a substantial
> part of the psychoactive effects of A. muscaria.
>
> Other Chemicals: Several other chemicals have been reported in A. muscaria
,
> some of them erroneously.
>
> Bufotenin (5-OH-DMT): One paper in 1953 (Wieland & Motzel) claimed to find
> bufotenin in A. muscaria extract but all subsequent research failed to
> confirm this result. Bufotenin is also not very potent when taken orally.
> Bufotenin is not believed to be present in the muscaria-class amanitas.
>
> l-hyoscayamine (isomer of atropine): One paper (Lewis 1955) reported findi
ng
> l-hyoscayamine in A. muscaria & A. pantherina from South Africa, but
> subsequent researchers failed to confirm this finding. This mistaken claim
> was repeated in the movie Altered States, but all current references
> consider this an error.
>
> Misc: stizolobinic acid, stizolobic acid, methyltetrahydrocarboline
> carboxylic acid. Isolated by some researchers in some A. muscaria mushroom
s,
> of unknown activity, but not considered to be significant in the
> psychoactive effects of the muscaria mushrooms.
>
>
>
> Notes
>
> Theobald W, Bush O, Kunz HA, Krupp P, Stenger EG, Heimann H. 1968.
> "Pharmakologische und experimentalpsychologische Untersuchungen mit 2
> Inhaltsstoffen des Fleigenpilzes" Arzneim-Forsch 18:311-15.
> Waser PG. "The pharmacology of A muscaria" In Ethnopharmacologic Search fo
r
> Psychoactive Drugs Efron DH, Homsted B, Kline NS eds. 1967
> Chilton WS. 1975. "The course of an intentional poisoning" McIlvainea 2:
> 17-18
> Ito Y, Segawa K, Fukuda H. 1995 "Functional diversity of GABAA receptor
> ligand-gated chloride channels in rat synaptoneurosomes" Synapse
> 19(3):188-96.
> Eugster CH. 1968. "Wirkstoffe aus dem Fligenpilz" Naturwissenshaften, 55:
> 305-13.
>
>
> References:
>
> Spinella, Marcello. "Psychopharmacology of Herbal Medicine" MIT Press, 200
1.
> pp 386-390.
> Ott, Jonathan. "Pharmacotheon" Natural Products Co, 1996. pp 323-358.
> Schultes & Hofmann. "Botany & Chemistry of Hallucinogens" Charles C Thomas
,
> 1980. pp 45-55.
>
> ________________________________
>
> Photographs of the main toxic Amanitas:
>
> <http://images.google.co.uk/images?h..s/bingensi.html
>
> http://pluto.njcc.com/~ret/amanita/..s/rubrovol.html
>
> same:
>
> http://www5b.biglobe.ne.jp/~tmasai/himebe.html
>
> __________________________
>
> Search for 'Amanita muscaria toxicolgy', gives me:
>
> "9.3  Course, prognosis, cause of death
>
>              Toxic effects appear 30 to 90 minutes after ingestion
>              and last usually for 6 hours but may persist for 12 to 24
>              hours.  Hangover is often observed the following day.  The
>              prognosis is usually good with symptomatic treatment.  Death
>              from these mushrooms is extremely rare (Chilton, 1978).
>              Although they sometimes produce dramatic intoxications with
>              extensive psychological and neurological effects these
>              mushrooms have a totally unwarranted reputation for being
>              "deadly poisonous". "
>
> With regard to A. muscaria and A. pantharina. From:
> http://www.inchem.org/documents/pims/fungi/pimg026.htm
>
> More on toxicology:
>
> http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanit.._journal8.shtml
>
>
>
>
>
> Shaun aRe
>
>
>
>

Well done. :-)

K.

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Re: Amanita, articles and image links, with full references:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:47:07 -0000, "Shaun Rimmer"
<shaun@newtronic.co.uk> wrote:

>If I did that, I'd miss some funny stuff (for me!) - each to their own eh?

glad you didn't. quit funny indeed. the whole schpeel. what will
gonnorea say next?



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"Delta Nine" <d_nineNOSPAM@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Shaun Rimmer wrote:
> 
bothered[vbcol=seagreen] 
eh?[vbcol=seagreen] 
>
> Ain't that the truth!

Word, bro'. Yo.
 
>
> Abso-XXXXin-lutely!  *puff puff pass*

',;~}~


Shaun aRe got quiiiite wasted last night, and had to go bed early ',;~}~






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"Dali" <brentb@cya.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:47:07 -0000, "Shaun Rimmer"
> <shaun@newtronic.co.uk> wrote:
> 
eh?[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> glad you didn't. quit funny indeed. the whole schpeel. what will
> gonnorea say next?

It was craziness. Craziness incarnate. The epitome of craziness. (Etc.)

He might not say more in those threads, prolly ignoring me, or maybe even
KF'd me, for being right. ',;~}~




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