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| Dear Group Members,
I am looking for suggestions for stabilizing my kidney failure by diet
or natural foods, or by reducing high blood pressure and heart disease
medicine.
Anyone who would like to e-mail me directly with specific information
may do so at sunshine.h@012.net.il. Thanks in advance.
Herb
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| Jason Johnson 2006-09-10, 9:33 pm |
| In article <1157900830.356457.192890@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>, "Herb"
<sunshine.h@012.net.il> wrote:
Dear Group Members,
I am looking for suggestions for stabilizing my kidney failure by diet
or natural foods, or by reducing high blood pressure and heart disease
medicine.
Anyone who would like to e-mail me directly with specific information
may do so at sunshine.h@012.net.il. Thanks in advance.
Herb
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Herb,
This book has info. related to low protein diets and other info. that
should be of value to you:
COPING WITH KIDNEY DISEASE--A 12 STEP PROGRAM TO HELP YOU AVOID DIALYSIS
by Mackensie Walser, M.D. (kidney specialist and college professor)
Jason
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| In article <1157900830.356457.192890@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
"Herb" <sunshine.h@012.net.il> wrote:
> Dear Group Members,
>
> I am looking for suggestions for stabilizing my kidney failure by diet
> or natural foods, or by reducing high blood pressure and heart disease
> medicine.
>
> Anyone who would like to e-mail me directly with specific information
> may do so at sunshine.h@012.net.il. Thanks in advance.
You may want to speak to your doctor before attempting a low-protein
diet. Numerous recent studies have found that they are of little or no
value and may actually be detrimental in that when patients do present
for dialysis, they are sicker than those who were on a diet with a
notmal protein ration. The current thinking is to restrict potassium,
sodium (for hypertensive patients) and phosphorus and eat protein from
high-quality sources (ie, not beans, which are high phosphorus).
Again, it is important to speak with your nephrologist - s/he knows what
disease you have, what your GFR is, what (if any) amount fo proteinuria
you have, etc and can recommend what levels of restrictions you need,
and if any additional restrictions are needed (for example, I don't have
a sodium restriction, but I do have a calcium restriction).
There was a study done that found that taking a combination of 200mg
magnesium, 30mg zinc, 200mg vitamin C and 150 mg vitamin E lowered blood
pressure. As with any supplement, people taking any medicines should
check with their doctors before taking them, especially those taking
blood thinners considering taking vitamin E.. The study was conducted on
diabetics, but there is nothing in the study to indicate that it would
be ineffective in non-diabetics, and if the supplements are safe to
take, it couldn't hurt (they're all pretty cheap, and it doesn't matter
what brand is used). Checking to make sure that the supplements don't
interfere with a prescription med is terribly important, though.
If you are taking an ACE inhibitor or ARB for blood pressure, the most
important thing you can do is STAY ON IT for two reasons: keeping your
blood pressure normal is one of the most critical things you can do to
preserve your kidney function and second, both these classes of drugs of
the side-effect of a protective action on the kidney aside from lowering
blood pressure. If you are already having proteinuria, it is of added
importance - besides the first two benefits, these drugs can lessen
proteinuria, which can help prolong kidney function. If you are having a
hard time tolerating the drug you are on, ask for another one - there's
lot of them, and one you can tolerate well can be found. It's worth it.
Last, if someone named Jason responds, it is safe to ignore him. He has
neither kidney disease nor a clue about of which he posts.
--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather
email: aripee at inanna . com
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| One other bit of info I have recently found out about ACE Inhibitors and
ARB is that you have to give the drugs a proper period of time to produce
the beneficial side effects you spoke of. It is not unusual to see the
Serum Creatinine, the primary tool used in Pre-ESRD to measure kidney
function, rise as much as 0.5 initially when these classes of medication
are started. Eventually, usually after a couple months, the increase goes
away and the protective side effect becomes apparent.
I learned this when I attended the AAKP (American Association of Kidney
Patients) Annual Convention over the Labor Day weekend (Aug31-Sept 3) in
Orlando, Florida. The information was presented by three different
Nephrologists, siting several recent studies.
The take away point is if prescribed, stick out any temporary bumps in your
function. Unless you are in rapid, Acute decline, the use of these two
classes of drugs should help preserve your function for some time at least.
What I said here is basically a repeat of what REP has said, with a little
more information added.
Dave
REP <rep~@inanna.com> wrote in news:lnaNg.336$TV3.65
@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com:
> In article <1157900830.356457.192890@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
> "Herb" <sunshine.h@012.net.il> wrote:
>
>
> You may want to speak to your doctor before attempting a low-protein
> diet. Numerous recent studies have found that they are of little or no
> value and may actually be detrimental in that when patients do present
> for dialysis, they are sicker than those who were on a diet with a
> notmal protein ration. The current thinking is to restrict potassium,
> sodium (for hypertensive patients) and phosphorus and eat protein from
> high-quality sources (ie, not beans, which are high phosphorus).
>
> Again, it is important to speak with your nephrologist - s/he knows what
> disease you have, what your GFR is, what (if any) amount fo proteinuria
> you have, etc and can recommend what levels of restrictions you need,
> and if any additional restrictions are needed (for example, I don't have
> a sodium restriction, but I do have a calcium restriction).
>
> There was a study done that found that taking a combination of 200mg
> magnesium, 30mg zinc, 200mg vitamin C and 150 mg vitamin E lowered blood
> pressure. As with any supplement, people taking any medicines should
> check with their doctors before taking them, especially those taking
> blood thinners considering taking vitamin E.. The study was conducted on
> diabetics, but there is nothing in the study to indicate that it would
> be ineffective in non-diabetics, and if the supplements are safe to
> take, it couldn't hurt (they're all pretty cheap, and it doesn't matter
> what brand is used). Checking to make sure that the supplements don't
> interfere with a prescription med is terribly important, though.
>
> If you are taking an ACE inhibitor or ARB for blood pressure, the most
> important thing you can do is STAY ON IT for two reasons: keeping your
> blood pressure normal is one of the most critical things you can do to
> preserve your kidney function and second, both these classes of drugs of
> the side-effect of a protective action on the kidney aside from lowering
> blood pressure. If you are already having proteinuria, it is of added
> importance - besides the first two benefits, these drugs can lessen
> proteinuria, which can help prolong kidney function. If you are having a
> hard time tolerating the drug you are on, ask for another one - there's
> lot of them, and one you can tolerate well can be found. It's worth it.
>
> Last, if someone named Jason responds, it is safe to ignore him. He has
> neither kidney disease nor a clue about of which he posts.
>
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| Judanne 2006-09-12, 2:26 am |
| Hi Herb,
In Australia there is a cookbook published by Kidney Health Australia for
renal patients that balances out protein, potassium, phosphate, etc.. I'm
guessing you're in the U.S., but wouldn't there be something similar from
the National Kidney Foundation? In the meantime, here is a link to their
page on dietary info for patients.
http://www.kidney.org/atoz/atozTopic.cfm?topic=4
Judanne
"Herb" <sunshine.h@012.net.il> wrote in message
news:1157900830.356457.192890@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> Dear Group Members,
>
> I am looking for suggestions for stabilizing my kidney failure by diet
> or natural foods, or by reducing high blood pressure and heart disease
> medicine.
>
> Anyone who would like to e-mail me directly with specific information
> may do so at sunshine.h@012.net.il. Thanks in advance.
>
> Herb
>
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