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| Jason Johnson 2006-07-02, 9:32 pm |
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I have a doctor (G.P) that referred me to a cardiologist for a stress test
since I had minor blood pressure problems. He referred me to a
pulmonologist (sp ??) to determine whether or not I had asthma.
The cardiologist determined that I did not have any heart problems and the
pulmonologist determined that I did not have asthma. It was wonderful to
find out the condition of my heart and lungs. I would also like to find
out the condition of my kidneys.
I am having some symptoms of kidney problems but I don't have kidney disease.
My GFR is about 75 ml per minute. My creatinine levels have always been on
the high side of normal (1.1 to 1.3). While I was taking statins, the
creatinine level rose to 1.7 during a three month period. I have had
metabolic problem that started when my creatinine level was still 1.7. I
still wonder if some minor damage was done to my kidneys as a result of
taking statins.
I would like special tests to be done by a kidney specialist to determine
whether or not my kidneys are the cause of my metabolic problems. I would
also
like the kidney specialist to determine the condition of my kidneys at
this point in time. I do not want a biopsy since it's not indicated or
necessary
at this point in time.
Several medical experts and at least one doctor (in another newsgroup)
told me that doctors do NOT refer patients to kidney specialists unless
they are sure the patient already has kidney disease. Why are kidney
problems different than LUNG problems and HEART problems?
Do you have any advice on how I could convince my doctor to refer me to a
kidney specialist for diagnostic tests despite the fact that I do not
kidney disease at this point in time. I should note that I had kidney
disease when I was a baby.
My doctor seems to think (and I hope I am wrong) that there is NOTHING
that can be done to prevent the development of kidney disease. He treats
kidney problems vastly different than he treats heart problem and lung
problems. He seems to view it the same way he views cancer--the patient
either has it or does not have it. I wonder if he thinks that a person
goes to bed one night and does not have kidney disease but develops it
before he wakes up the following morning. It's my guess that everyone
that now has kidney disease will agree that in most cases it takes several
years for a patient to develop kidney disease. I already know that there
are exceptions. For those of us that have not yet developed kidney
disease, I see no reason why we should not be referred to kidney
specialists for special diagnostic tests.
I thank you in advance for your advice and help.
Jason
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| In article
<jason-0207061448000001@66-52-22-101.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>,
jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson) wrote:
> I have a doctor (G.P) that referred me to a cardiologist for a stress test
> since I had minor blood pressure problems. He referred me to a
> pulmonologist (sp ??) to determine whether or not I had asthma.
> The cardiologist determined that I did not have any heart problems and the
> pulmonologist determined that I did not have asthma. It was wonderful to
> find out the condition of my heart and lungs. I would also like to find
> out the condition of my kidneys.
Your doctor has determined that by blood tests. You have no signs of
kidney disease; your creatinine is normal. Your doctor has already told
you that the GFR test done was not definitive and that there was no need
for further testing. You will not be referred to a nephrologist; you are
likely to be noted as a somatizing patient.
Statins are NOT nephrotoxic. I have provided you a list of nephrotoxic
drugs more than once; statins are not on the list. They are damaging to
the liver, not the kidneys.
You can prevent kidney disease by not becoming diabetic, not using
heroin, using NSAID drugs as directed and keeping your blood pressure
normal.
--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather
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| Jason,
You are in a catch 22 that really has no answer nowadays. You have the
fear that something is going on with our kidneies, but there is no
actual evidence to support this. Part of the problem here is simple
biology. We as human beings(for the most part) have much more kidney
capacity than is necessary to maintain a healthy person. This is why
most kidney transplants consist of a single kidney. The primary
indicators that kidney damage is or has occurred do not even show up
until more than 50% of the function has been lost.
A creatinine level that moves around from time to time in unusual
circumstances is not the most unusual situation. It can be seen when
one is sick with other illnesses, and then reverse itself when the
illness goes away. Unusual and sudden increases in exercise patterns
can also cause temporary changes in the creatine level. The consumption
of Creatine( a dietary suppliment) sometimes shows up in the serum
creatinine level. Sometimes fluctuations occur with the administration
of certain drugs, as you have seen with the statins, but I must admit I
haven;t heard of that class of drugs doing this. Maybe it is a new
unforeseen side effect. That sometimes occurs. Your doctor should have
reported the possible association with the statijn you were taking and
the apparent elevation of your creatinie to the FDA and possibly to the
NIH. Kepp after it though.
You may be able to get the tests you want done by paying out of pocket
for them. Your insurance compant may be the culprit as to why your
doctor doesn't want to appease your fears. In this day and age, if the
insurance industry decides a procedure is not warrented, doctors will
generally avoid ordering them.
Dave
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| Jason Johnson 2006-07-03, 4:25 pm |
| In article <nC5qg.126359$dW3.30456@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, REP
<rep@inanna.com> wrote:
In article
<jason-0207061448000001@66-52-22-101.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>,
jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson) wrote:
> I have a doctor (G.P) that referred me to a cardiologist for a stress test
> since I had minor blood pressure problems. He referred me to a
> pulmonologist (sp ??) to determine whether or not I had asthma.
> The cardiologist determined that I did not have any heart problems and the
> pulmonologist determined that I did not have asthma. It was wonderful to
> find out the condition of my heart and lungs. I would also like to find
> out the condition of my kidneys.
Your doctor has determined that by blood tests. You have no signs of
kidney disease; your creatinine is normal. Your doctor has already told
you that the GFR test done was not definitive and that there was no need
for further testing. You will not be referred to a nephrologist; you are
likely to be noted as a somatizing patient.
Statins are NOT nephrotoxic. I have provided you a list of nephrotoxic
drugs more than once; statins are not on the list. They are damaging to
the liver, not the kidneys.
You can prevent kidney disease by not becoming diabetic, not using
heroin, using NSAID drugs as directed and keeping your blood pressure
normal.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
REP,
Yes, we have discussed my medical problems in the past. You and others
have helped me determine that I do NOT have kidney disease at this point
in time.
Let's agree to disagree related to statins as a cause of kidney problems.
I pointed out that Rhabdomyolysis can be caused by statins and that
two of the listed complications of Rhab. are acute tubular necrosis and
acute renal failure.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/...icle/000473.htm
Regardless, I thank you for your post and I thank you for helping people
that ask for advice re: to kidney problems.
I should note that my doctor and yourself are on the same page related to
this issue so you are in good company.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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| Jason Johnson 2006-07-03, 4:25 pm |
| In article <Xns97F578656EAF9Somebobysomeplacecom@66.150.105.230>, Dave
<Someboby@someplace.com> wrote:
Jason,
You are in a catch 22 that really has no answer nowadays. You have the
fear that something is going on with our kidneies, but there is no
actual evidence to support this. Part of the problem here is simple
biology. We as human beings(for the most part) have much more kidney
capacity than is necessary to maintain a healthy person. This is why
most kidney transplants consist of a single kidney. The primary
indicators that kidney damage is or has occurred do not even show up
until more than 50% of the function has been lost.
A creatinine level that moves around from time to time in unusual
circumstances is not the most unusual situation. It can be seen when
one is sick with other illnesses, and then reverse itself when the
illness goes away. Unusual and sudden increases in exercise patterns
can also cause temporary changes in the creatine level. The consumption
of Creatine( a dietary suppliment) sometimes shows up in the serum
creatinine level. Sometimes fluctuations occur with the administration
of certain drugs, as you have seen with the statins, but I must admit I
haven;t heard of that class of drugs doing this. Maybe it is a new
unforeseen side effect. That sometimes occurs. Your doctor should have
reported the possible association with the statijn you were taking and
the apparent elevation of your creatinie to the FDA and possibly to the
NIH. Kepp after it though.
You may be able to get the tests you want done by paying out of pocket
for them. Your insurance compant may be the culprit as to why your
doctor doesn't want to appease your fears. In this day and age, if the
insurance industry decides a procedure is not warrented, doctors will
generally avoid ordering them.
Dave
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave,
You guessed correctly related to the information in your last paragraph.
My HMO insur. program has all sorts of rules that my doctor has to follow.
One of the rules is that patients can NOT be referred to specialists
unless there is a medical reason. In the case of kidney specialists, it's
my GUESS that the serum creatinine level must be outside the normal
limits.
If you want to read the reasons that I believe that statins caused my
kidney problems, you need to visit these two sites:
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/...icle/000473.htm
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/...icle/000512.htm
In my case, the internal structures of my kidneys were NOT destroyed but
were only slightly damaged by the Myoglobin. I did not develop
Rhabdomyolysis since I stopped taking statins the same day that
I noticed on the blood test that my creatinine level had gone up
to 1.7. If I had NOT done that, I still believe that I would have
developed Rhabdomyolysis. One of the listed complications of Rhab.
is Acute Tubular Necrosis. I have many of the symptoms of
Acute Tubular Necrosis. However, since only minor damage was
done by the Myoglobin--I don't have all of the listed symptoms.
One of the reasons that I stopped taking statins when my creatinine
level rose to 1.7 was because the wife of a man that developed
Rhabdomyolysis as a result of taking statins told me
that he continued to taking statins even after his creatinine
rose to about 2.0 as per his doctor's advice. His doctor did not
realize that Rhabdomyolysis could develop as a result of statins.
Most doctors now realize it. I don't recall whether or not the
husband filed a lawsuit against that doctor. I hope so.
My doctor wanted me to keep taking statins even after my creatinine
level rose to 1.7. I refused to take her advice.
Of course, I am only GUESSING related to my theory since no major
diagostic tests have been done related to the condition of my kidneys.
I would appreciate it if you read visited the two websites mentioned
above and tell me your opinions about my theory.
I agree that I am in a catch 22. Thanks for your support and help.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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| Larry Krzewinski 2006-07-03, 9:24 pm |
| On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 10:27:34 -0700, jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson)
wrote:
>I should note that my doctor and yourself are on the same page related to
>this issue so you are in good company.
>
>Jason
Jason,
If you don't now have kidney problems, and it looks like you may never
have kidney problems based upon your prolific posts, what the devil
are you doing here?
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| Jason Johnson 2006-07-04, 2:29 am |
| In article <fuhja2l2aq6j866vlfi6umlm3ugrga5ib4@4ax.com>, Larry Krzewinski
<Feerless_Freep@madmagazine.com> wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 10:27:34 -0700, jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson)
wrote:
>I should note that my doctor and yourself are on the same page related to
>this issue so you are in good company.
>
>Jason
Jason,
If you don't now have kidney problems, and it looks like you may never
have kidney problems based upon your prolific posts, what the devil
are you doing here?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Larry,
I don't have a kidney disease at this point in time. Based upon what I
read in "Coping With Kidney Disease--A 12 Step Program to Help You Avoid
Dialysis", lots of people are like me. They do NOT need dialysis and may
never need dialysis at long as they do was is necessary to avoid ever
needing dialysis. One of Dr. Walser's patients deferred dialysis for 10
years and may never need dialysis.
I have some kidney problems and want to find out the condition of my kidneys.
My doctor refuses to refer me to a kidney specialist to determine the
present condition of my kidneys. I visited this newsgroup to find out as
much info.
as possible about kidney diseases and to get answers to my questions. I
have received some excellent advice from various people. It appears that
doctors don't refer people to kidney specialists for special diagnostic
tests unless they are certain the patient already has a kidney disease.
Doctors don't have that same attitude related to heart problems and lung
problems--in those cases--they do refer patients to patients for
diagnostic test. I have had those diagnostic tests and I don't have asthma
or heart disease.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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| In article
<jason-0307061027340001@66-52-22-80.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>,
jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson) wrote:
> Let's agree to disagree related to statins as a cause of kidney problems.
> I pointed out that Rhabdomyolysis can be caused by statins and that
> two of the listed complications of Rhab. are acute tubular necrosis and
> acute renal failure.
You are wrong in your understanding of rhabdo. Rhabdo causes kidney
damage; statins can cause rhabdo. Statins do not cause kidney damage in
the absense of rhabdo. You've NEVER had rhabdo.
You are risk of developing rhabdo while on statins if you have
preexisting liver or kidney disease *and* very low blood pressure. And I
mean VERY low blood pressure, like 86/42. You are not at risk.
--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather
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| In article <fuhja2l2aq6j866vlfi6umlm3ugrga5ib4@4ax.com>,
Larry Krzewinski <Feerless_Freep@madmagazine.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 10:27:34 -0700, jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson)
> wrote:
>
>
> Jason,
> If you don't now have kidney problems, and it looks like you may never
> have kidney problems based upon your prolific posts, what the devil
> are you doing here?
I believe the term for him is "worried well." He very much would like to
have a dx of kidney disease, but his tests keep coming up normal.
--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather
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| Larry Krzewinski 2006-07-04, 2:29 am |
| On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 03:54:02 GMT, REP <rep@inanna.com> wrote:
>
>I believe the term for him is "worried well." He very much would like to
>have a dx of kidney disease, but his tests keep coming up normal.
He keeps on posting and posting. I for one wish he would stop. We're
here to help people with real problems, not to listen to people going
on and on and on and on. He's even giving advice, some of it
inaccurate.
I'm all for supporting people with real problems. Jason doesn't have
any real problems other than his desire for attention.
Larry
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| Larry Krzewinski 2006-07-04, 2:29 am |
| On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 20:04:23 -0700, jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson)
wrote:
>Larry,
>I don't have a kidney disease at this point in time. Based upon what I
>read in "Coping With Kidney Disease--A 12 Step Program to Help You Avoid
>Dialysis", lots of people are like me. They do NOT need dialysis and may
>never need dialysis at long as they do was is necessary to avoid ever
>needing dialysis. One of Dr. Walser's patients deferred dialysis for 10
>years and may never need dialysis.
>I have some kidney problems and want to find out the condition of my kidneys.
>My doctor refuses to refer me to a kidney specialist to determine the
>present condition of my kidneys. I visited this newsgroup to find out as
>much info.
>as possible about kidney diseases and to get answers to my questions. I
>have received some excellent advice from various people. It appears that
>doctors don't refer people to kidney specialists for special diagnostic
>tests unless they are certain the patient already has a kidney disease.
>Doctors don't have that same attitude related to heart problems and lung
>problems--in those cases--they do refer patients to patients for
>diagnostic test. I have had those diagnostic tests and I don't have asthma
>or heart disease.
Jason,
You honestly need to get a life. I suspect that you're looking for
attention since you obviously don't have a kidney problem. Please
come back when you do and we'll support you to the best of our
ability. If you want to chat try a chat room or email or an instant
messaging program. I'm sorry I need to be blunt but you should not be
here. We support people with real kidney problems, not those with
wannabe kidney problems. If you really need dialysis, a shunt, a
kidney transplant or have had a kidney transplant we'll welcome you
with open arms. Right now you have neither the experience or the
knowledge to help others. Frankly, you are wasting our time.
Larry
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| Larry Krzewinski 2006-07-04, 2:29 am |
| On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 03:52:29 GMT, REP <rep@inanna.com> wrote:
>
>You are wrong in your understanding of rhabdo. Rhabdo causes kidney
>damage; statins can cause rhabdo. Statins do not cause kidney damage in
>the absense of rhabdo. You've NEVER had rhabdo.
>
>You are risk of developing rhabdo while on statins if you have
>preexisting liver or kidney disease *and* very low blood pressure. And I
>mean VERY low blood pressure, like 86/42. You are not at risk.
This guy is a nut.
| |
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| In article <dk2ka2lrsuoet9o2d816ek50s2p6s06eqi@4ax.com>,
Larry Krzewinski <Feerless_Freep@madmagazine.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 03:52:29 GMT, REP <rep@inanna.com> wrote:
>
>
> This guy is a nut.
To put it mildly. He threatened (promised?) to never respond to my posts
ever ever again ... and then starts threads with my name in them. Sigh.
Apparently he's a retired a guy with an exciting new hobby ... us.
--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather
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| Jason Johnson 2006-07-04, 4:26 pm |
| In article <uDlqg.61616$fb2.315@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>, REP
<rep@inanna.com> wrote:
In article <fuhja2l2aq6j866vlfi6umlm3ugrga5ib4@4ax.com>,
Larry Krzewinski <Feerless_Freep@madmagazine.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 10:27:34 -0700, jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson)
> wrote:
>
>
> Jason,
> If you don't now have kidney problems, and it looks like you may never
> have kidney problems based upon your prolific posts, what the devil
> are you doing here?
I believe the term for him is "worried well." He very much would like to
have a dx of kidney disease, but his tests keep coming up normal.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
REP,
Actually you are wrong once again. I have a list of symptoms. My doctor
has ruled out about three diseases as a cause of my metabolic problems.
Neither my doctor or myself has ruled out kidney problems as a cause of my
metabolic problems. I hope that kidney problems are NOT the cause of my
symptoms. I should also note that one of the patients mentioned in Dr.
Walser's book had a kidney disease despite having a creatinine level of
1.1 MG/DL. Upon request, I will recheck the book to find out the name of
the kidney disease that she had.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| |
|
| In article
<jason-0407060936240001@66-52-22-67.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>,
jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson) wrote:
> In article <uDlqg.61616$fb2.315@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>, REP
> <rep@inanna.com> wrote:
>
> In article <fuhja2l2aq6j866vlfi6umlm3ugrga5ib4@4ax.com>,
> Larry Krzewinski <Feerless_Freep@madmagazine.com> wrote:
>
>
> I believe the term for him is "worried well." He very much would like to
> have a dx of kidney disease, but his tests keep coming up normal.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> REP,
> Actually you are wrong once again. I have a list of symptoms.
You are somatizing symptoms; your tests are NORMAL. Look up what
"somatizing" means.
My doctor
> has ruled out about three diseases as a cause of my metabolic problems.
You had acid reflux - not a metabolic disorder. Diabetes is a metabolic
disorder, you XXX - not heartburn.
> Neither my doctor or myself has ruled out kidney problems as a cause of my
> metabolic problems.
Yes, he has. He is refusing to accomodate your somatization disorder and
send you a nephrologist as you have NO signs or symptoms of ANY kidney
disease. NONE.
I hope that kidney problems are NOT the cause of my
> symptoms. I should also note that one of the patients mentioned in Dr.
> Walser's book had a kidney disease despite having a creatinine level of
> 1.1 MG/DL.
Walser's book is not a guide to self-diagnosis. Yes, in some stages of
some diseases creatinine may be normal but there will be other abnormal
tests - which you do not have. You have indicated that you are an older
man, and the creatinine test done on you (which your doctor said was not
definitive) was perfectly normal for an older man. Give it up, and
please leave this group. You do not have kidney disease and you are not
in kidney failure, and your presence here is not appropriate.
--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather
| |
| Jason Johnson 2006-07-04, 4:26 pm |
| In article <Shxqg.33956$VE1.11332@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, REP
<rep@inanna.com> wrote:
In article
<jason-0407060936240001@66-52-22-67.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>,
jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson) wrote:
> In article <uDlqg.61616$fb2.315@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>, REP
> <rep@inanna.com> wrote:
>
> In article <fuhja2l2aq6j866vlfi6umlm3ugrga5ib4@4ax.com>,
> Larry Krzewinski <Feerless_Freep@madmagazine.com> wrote:
>
>
> I believe the term for him is "worried well." He very much would like to
> have a dx of kidney disease, but his tests keep coming up normal.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> REP,
> Actually you are wrong once again. I have a list of symptoms.
You are somatizing symptoms; your tests are NORMAL. Look up what
"somatizing" means.
My doctor
> has ruled out about three diseases as a cause of my metabolic problems.
You had acid reflux - not a metabolic disorder. Diabetes is a metabolic
disorder, you XXX - not heartburn.
> Neither my doctor or myself has ruled out kidney problems as a cause of my
> metabolic problems.
Yes, he has. He is refusing to accomodate your somatization disorder and
send you a nephrologist as you have NO signs or symptoms of ANY kidney
disease. NONE.
I hope that kidney problems are NOT the cause of my
> symptoms. I should also note that one of the patients mentioned in Dr.
> Walser's book had a kidney disease despite having a creatinine level of
> 1.1 MG/DL.
Walser's book is not a guide to self-diagnosis. Yes, in some stages of
some diseases creatinine may be normal but there will be other abnormal
tests - which you do not have. You have indicated that you are an older
man, and the creatinine test done on you (which your doctor said was not
definitive) was perfectly normal for an older man. Give it up, and
please leave this group. You do not have kidney disease and you are not
in kidney failure, and your presence here is not appropriate.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
REP
I feel sorry for you. You may have an excellent understanding related to
various kidney diseases and the treatment programs for patients that have
kidney diseases. However, you have a poor understanding of the beginning
stages of kidney diseases. I explained my theory related to why I have
metabolic problems to a medical doctor in another newsgroup.
He read the Medline Plus report related to Rhabdomyolysis and told me that
some minor damage may have been done to the tissues of the kidney tubule
by myoglobin. Since I stopped taking statins and started taking a diuretic
to flush out the myobobin--only minor damage was done. He told me that my
theory made sense but would be impossible to prove since a urine tests for
casts (sp??) was not done while my creatinine level was still 1.7 MG/DL. I
doubt that you will understand why the doctor agreed that my theory made
sense and could explain the reasons for my metabolic problems. I hope that
I NEVER develop a kidney disease.
I thought it funny and odd that you would write such a thing. I am only
trying to rule various diseases in or out as a cause of my symptoms.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| |
|
| In article
<jason-0407061217380001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>,
jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson) wrote:
> I feel sorry for you.
It could be worse. I could be a retired man who has nothing better to do
but imagine he has a disease he doesn't have.
--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather
| |
|
| REP wrote:
> In article
> <jason-0407061217380001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>,
> jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson) wrote:
>
>
>
>
> It could be worse. I could be a retired man who has nothing better to do
> but imagine he has a disease he doesn't have.
>
Rep, you are helping him by answering his emails. Just move on and he
will look for someone else to bother.
| |
| Jason Johnson 2006-07-04, 4:26 pm |
| In article <Nfzqg.115999$H71.4555@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, REP
<rep@inanna.com> wrote:
In article
<jason-0407061217380001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>,
jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson) wrote:
> I feel sorry for you.
It could be worse. I could be a retired man who has nothing better to do
but imagine he has a disease he doesn't have.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
REP,
I have stated in several recent posts that I know that I don't have a
kidney disease. I hope that I NEVER develop kidney disease. Dr. Walser
provided me with the information I need to treat many of my symptoms.
Thank goodness he told me about the phosphate binders. Taking a TUMS after
every meal has really helped my kidneys to work much better. I recall the
day (last year) --eating beans and other foods that had high levels of
phosphorus. I did not urinate until the following day. I now understand
the reasons. You need to do some research on the early stages of kidney
disease. You seem to only understand the ESRD.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| |
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| Larry Krzewinski wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 03:52:29 GMT, REP <rep@inanna.com> wrote:
>
>
> This guy is a nut.
To all...I tried to warn you about Jason on my 6/12/06 post (followed by
more comments in response to his net cop post on 6/13/06). Jason is
definitely a sick person (sick in the head) and likes to play doctor over
the Internet and runs rampant in the sci.med ng all the time - and he hardly
ever knows what he is talking about, and is a loose cannon.
I wasn't going to post in here again since I got slam dunked by a couple of
others in this group who were sticking up for him after my 6/12 post (he
obviously fooled those people). Note that he also calls all people net cops
who disagree with him and bad mouth him.
It is nice to see that at least two or three of you have finally seen what
he really is. He is like a mole that won't stop burrowing and knows nothing
about medicine at all, and gives people bad medical advice all the time. I
used to communicate with him at one time in other ng's and he thanked me,
and now he calls me a net cop (which is his favorite term).
Watch Jason respond to this and call me a net cop. Remember he is a sick
puppy...Pete
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| Tom Scales 2006-07-04, 9:24 pm |
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"Jason Johnson" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-0407061217380001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net...
> In article <Shxqg.33956$VE1.11332@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, REP
> <rep@inanna.com> wrote:
>
> In article
> <jason-0407060936240001@66-52-22-67.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>,
> jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson) wrote:
>
>
> You are somatizing symptoms; your tests are NORMAL. Look up what
> "somatizing" means.
>
> My doctor
>
> You had acid reflux - not a metabolic disorder. Diabetes is a metabolic
> disorder, you XXX - not heartburn.
>
>
> Yes, he has. He is refusing to accomodate your somatization disorder and
> send you a nephrologist as you have NO signs or symptoms of ANY kidney
> disease. NONE.
>
> I hope that kidney problems are NOT the cause of my
>
> Walser's book is not a guide to self-diagnosis. Yes, in some stages of
> some diseases creatinine may be normal but there will be other abnormal
> tests - which you do not have. You have indicated that you are an older
> man, and the creatinine test done on you (which your doctor said was not
> definitive) was perfectly normal for an older man. Give it up, and
> please leave this group. You do not have kidney disease and you are not
> in kidney failure, and your presence here is not appropriate.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> REP
> I feel sorry for you. You may have an excellent understanding related to
> various kidney diseases and the treatment programs for patients that have
> kidney diseases. However, you have a poor understanding of the beginning
> stages of kidney diseases. I explained my theory related to why I have
> metabolic problems to a medical doctor in another newsgroup.
> He read the Medline Plus report related to Rhabdomyolysis and told me that
> some minor damage may have been done to the tissues of the kidney tubule
> by myoglobin. Since I stopped taking statins and started taking a diuretic
> to flush out the myobobin--only minor damage was done. He told me that my
> theory made sense but would be impossible to prove since a urine tests for
> casts (sp??) was not done while my creatinine level was still 1.7 MG/DL. I
> doubt that you will understand why the doctor agreed that my theory made
> sense and could explain the reasons for my metabolic problems. I hope that
> I NEVER develop a kidney disease.
> I thought it funny and odd that you would write such a thing. I am only
> trying to rule various diseases in or out as a cause of my symptoms.
> Jason
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jason,
I'm fairly new here, but REP is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
You have a disease, but it is not kidney disease.
You're one of those people that can read a book or website and instantly
KNOW you have that disease.
I'm guessing that after reading the right web page, you'd be convinced you
have ovarian cancer.
Tom
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| Larry Krzewinski 2006-07-04, 9:24 pm |
| On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 19:50:47 GMT, Alan <Spam@aol.com> wrote:
>Rep, you are helping him by answering his emails. Just move on and he
>will look for someone else to bother.
Yep. This guy is a troll whether he knows it or not. The only sure
fire way to get rid of trolls is ignore them completely. Better yet,
put them in your killfile.
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| Larry Krzewinski 2006-07-04, 9:24 pm |
| On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 15:52:48 GMT, REP <rep@inanna.com> wrote:
>
>To put it mildly. He threatened (promised?) to never respond to my posts
>ever ever again ... and then starts threads with my name in them. Sigh.
>Apparently he's a retired a guy with an exciting new hobby ... us.
I killfiled him. I don't have the time nor the inclination to read
his imagined illnesses. I figure him to be a hypochondriac troll.
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| Tom Scales 2006-07-04, 9:24 pm |
|
"Jason Johnson" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-0407061300000001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net...
> In article <Nfzqg.115999$H71.4555@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, REP
> <rep@inanna.com> wrote:
>
> In article
> <jason-0407061217380001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>,
> jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson) wrote:
>
>
> It could be worse. I could be a retired man who has nothing better to do
> but imagine he has a disease he doesn't have.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> REP,
> I have stated in several recent posts that I know that I don't have a
> kidney disease. I hope that I NEVER develop kidney disease. Dr. Walser
> provided me with the information I need to treat many of my symptoms.
> Thank goodness he told me about the phosphate binders. Taking a TUMS after
> every meal has really helped my kidneys to work much better. I recall the
> day (last year) --eating beans and other foods that had high levels of
> phosphorus. I did not urinate until the following day. I now understand
> the reasons. You need to do some research on the early stages of kidney
> disease. You seem to only understand the ESRD.
> Jason
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tums does NOT help your kidneys. It counteracts high phosphorus for someone
WITH kidney disease. Not as well as Phoslo, but it works.
If you really believe Tums helps your kidneys, then you CLEARLY do not
understand kidney disease.
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|
| In article <n95ma2dtd18vlipmisi74o9gliglmm2nfj@4ax.com>,
Larry Krzewinski <Feerless_Freep@madmagazine.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 19:50:47 GMT, Alan <Spam@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yep. This guy is a troll whether he knows it or not. The only sure
> fire way to get rid of trolls is ignore them completely. Better yet,
> put them in your killfile.
That's where he lives now. He posted so much bad information on sci.med
it was nearly a full-time job correcting him.
--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather
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|
| In article <ZaEqg.33563$LT2.30208@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>,
"Tom Scales" <tjscales@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jason,
>
> I'm fairly new here, but REP is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
>
> You have a disease, but it is not kidney disease.
>
> You're one of those people that can read a book or website and instantly
> KNOW you have that disease.
>
> I'm guessing that after reading the right web page, you'd be convinced you
> have ovarian cancer.
Don't give him ideas! He'll be demanding a luteinizing follicle test
next!
--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather
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|
| In article <dcEqg.38604$Ui7.28383@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>,
"Tom Scales" <tjscales@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tums does NOT help your kidneys. It counteracts high phosphorus for someone
> WITH kidney disease. Not as well as Phoslo, but it works.
>
> If you really believe Tums helps your kidneys, then you CLEARLY do not
> understand kidney disease.
And beans will only halt urination if you cram them up your urethra -
which I wouldn't put past our resident hypochondriac.
--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather
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|
| In article <rEzqg.16588$%h.8432@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>,
Alan <Spam@aol.com> wrote:
> REP wrote:
> Rep, you are helping him by answering his emails. Just move on and he
> will look for someone else to bother.
I felt sorry for him at first; then annoyed by all the bad information
he was posting. I know, I should resist the "kick me" sign.
--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather
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| Larry Krzewinski 2006-07-05, 4:25 pm |
| On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:29:29 GMT, REP <rep@inanna.com> wrote:
>
>And beans will only halt urination if you cram them up your urethra -
>which I wouldn't put past our resident hypochondriac.
Rep, don't give him ideas!!! The next thing you know he'll be posting
here about his bean problems. <g>
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| Larry Krzewinski 2006-07-05, 4:25 pm |
| On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:27:34 GMT, REP <rep@inanna.com> wrote:
>
>Don't give him ideas! He'll be demanding a luteinizing follicle test
>next!
Oops. I should have read this post before replying to your other post
about giving Jason ideas.
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| In article <6uuna2hdgpbe7lgj5v0midom8r22djeaab@4ax.com>,
Larry Krzewinski <Feerless_Freep@madmagazine.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:27:34 GMT, REP <rep@inanna.com> wrote:
>
>
> Oops. I should have read this post before replying to your other post
> about giving Jason ideas.
Great minds and all ... !
--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather
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| Larry Krzewinski 2006-07-06, 2:29 am |
| On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 06:19:07 GMT, REP <rep@inanna.com> wrote:
>
>Great minds and all ... !
Exactly! <grin>
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