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How do I get BUN and Creatinine numbers down?
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| Both of these are elevated. I HATE the idea of dialysis. I feel fine,
a little fatgue, a little swelling in right leg, otherwise OK. Is
there any method, pill or procedure to postpone dialysis? My
Nephrologist wants to see me 6/13/06 and I think he is going to
recommend it, on which I may pass.
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| Larry Krzewinski 2006-06-04, 9:34 am |
| On Mon, 22 May 2006 12:04:55 -0700, Sando <sando!@cox.com> wrote:
>Both of these are elevated. I HATE the idea of dialysis. I feel fine,
>a little fatgue, a little swelling in right leg, otherwise OK. Is
>there any method, pill or procedure to postpone dialysis? My
>Nephrologist wants to see me 6/13/06 and I think he is going to
>recommend it, on which I may pass.
Why do you hate the idea of dialysis? It's more of an inconvenience
than anything else and it keeps you alive. Once your blood tests
indicate the need for dialysis you need to start dialysis. There is
no cure, method, or pill that will prevent it. Even a kidney
transplant has its own set of issues. If your nephrologist recommends
dialysis and you don't comply you will die. I'm not trying to be mean
or antagonistic here. The only things that will keep you alive if you
have ESRD are either dialysis or a kidney transplant. Just ignoring
it and hoping it will go away does not work.
Larry
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| On Mon, 22 May 2006 13:25:17 -0700, Larry Krzewinski
<Feerless_Freep@madmagazine.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 22 May 2006 12:04:55 -0700, Sando <sando!@cox.com> wrote:
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>Why do you hate the idea of dialysis? It's more of an inconvenience
>than anything else and it keeps you alive. Once your blood tests
>indicate the need for dialysis you need to start dialysis. There is
>no cure, method, or pill that will prevent it. Even a kidney
>transplant has its own set of issues. If your nephrologist recommends
>dialysis and you don't comply you will die. I'm not trying to be mean
>or antagonistic here. The only things that will keep you alive if you
>have ESRD are either dialysis or a kidney transplant. Just ignoring
>it and hoping it will go away does not work.
>
>Larry
Thank you Larry:
WEB MD has a good pro/con article on Dialysis. I fall into the
Con, I think. Due to age and other health problems,particularly
Prostate Cancer. There is no use getting a couple more years from
Dialysis, only to die a BAD death from PC. Kidney Failure death is
painless, so they say, until maybe the last day, Not so with PC.
I'm still open minded but cannot see any benefit to me under the
circumstances extant. I'll know more on 6/13
Thanks again
da
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| Sando wrote:
> On Mon, 22 May 2006 13:25:17 -0700, Larry Krzewinski
> <Feerless_Freep@madmagazine.com> wrote:
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> Thank you Larry:
> WEB MD has a good pro/con article on Dialysis. I fall into the
> Con, I think. Due to age and other health problems,particularly
> Prostate Cancer. There is no use getting a couple more years from
> Dialysis, only to die a BAD death from PC. Kidney Failure death is
> painless, so they say, until maybe the last day, Not so with PC.
> I'm still open minded but cannot see any benefit to me under the
> circumstances extant. I'll know more on 6/13
> Thanks again
> da
If your happy to "kick the bucket' from kidney failure why do you want
to get your bun and creatine down ?
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| Tom Scales 2006-06-04, 9:34 am |
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"Sando" <sando!@cox.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 22 May 2006 13:25:17 -0700, Larry Krzewinski
> <Feerless_Freep@madmagazine.com> wrote:
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> Thank you Larry:
> WEB MD has a good pro/con article on Dialysis. I fall into the
> Con, I think. Due to age and other health problems,particularly
> Prostate Cancer. There is no use getting a couple more years from
> Dialysis, only to die a BAD death from PC. Kidney Failure death is
> painless, so they say, until maybe the last day, Not so with PC.
> I'm still open minded but cannot see any benefit to me under the
> circumstances extant. I'll know more on 6/13
> Thanks again
> da
Well, I personally think Prostate Cancer is no big deal. Get it removed. I
did, two years ago, at age 44. 3 weeks recovery and good as new.
Tom
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| I don't know where you got the idea that dieing from kidney disease is
painless. There is no pain like you think but it's still an awful thing to
go through.
If you don't do dialysis and you are lucky you will have a heart attack and
die quickly. If you don't then you are looking at congestive heart failure
which means your lungs fill up with fluid and you suffocate. It's an awful
way to die I almost did die this way and it's nothing I ever want to go
through again.
There are much worse diseases in this world to suffer from. Fortunately
kidney disease can be treated. You should at least give dialysis a try if
it doesn't work then make the decision to quit but don't count yourself out
just because of this.
Celeste
"Sando" <sando!@cox.com> wrote in message
news:b4a672psce1fdoe8s8gfe6bnj4berr3ovb@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 22 May 2006 13:25:17 -0700, Larry Krzewinski
> <Feerless_Freep@madmagazine.com> wrote:
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> Thank you Larry:
> WEB MD has a good pro/con article on Dialysis. I fall into the
> Con, I think. Due to age and other health problems,particularly
> Prostate Cancer. There is no use getting a couple more years from
> Dialysis, only to die a BAD death from PC. Kidney Failure death is
> painless, so they say, until maybe the last day, Not so with PC.
> I'm still open minded but cannot see any benefit to me under the
> circumstances extant. I'll know more on 6/13
> Thanks again
> da
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| Larry Krzewinski 2006-06-04, 9:34 am |
| On Thu, 25 May 2006 22:33:49 GMT, "Spot" <noSPAMme@somewhere.net>
wrote:
>I don't know where you got the idea that dieing from kidney disease is
>painless. There is no pain like you think but it's still an awful thing to
>go through.
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>If you don't do dialysis and you are lucky you will have a heart attack and
>die quickly. If you don't then you are looking at congestive heart failure
>which means your lungs fill up with fluid and you suffocate. It's an awful
>way to die I almost did die this way and it's nothing I ever want to go
>through again.
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>There are much worse diseases in this world to suffer from. Fortunately
>kidney disease can be treated. You should at least give dialysis a try if
>it doesn't work then make the decision to quit but don't count yourself out
>just because of this.
I agree with you, Celeste. This guy sounds defeated. Man, if he had
to go through what some of us have had to endure he probably wouldn't
have made it.
I was in a coma due to liver failure caused by Hepatitis A and had to
have a liver transplant. I lost my kidneys due to hepatorenal
syndrome while in the coma and was on hemodialysis for almost nine
years. I spent 5 1/2 months in the hospital, lost almost all my
muscles due to atrophy while in a coma, had to relearn everything and
it took a year of physical and occupational therapy to get somewhat
back to normal, I lost most of my hearing permanently due to
Gentamicin and awoke from the coma with very painful peripheral
neuropathy which I still suffer with today.
I didn't quit. I didn't throw in the towel. I fought every day.
Prostate cancer is treatable and even those who have it usually don't
die from it but rather die of old age before the prostate cancer can
kill them. This guy is all "Boo hoo, woe is me. My kidneys are
failing and I'd rather die than go on dialysis".
If he came here for support and to hear someone say that he was making
the right decision by choosing death over dialysis I think he may have
come to the wrong place.
Dialysis is more of an inconvenience than anything else. To not even
try it makes me wonder if he isn't just using self-pity to seek
empathy.
Larry
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| Anthony Cerrato 2006-06-04, 9:34 am |
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"Sando" <sando!@cox.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 22 May 2006 13:25:17 -0700, Larry Krzewinski
> <Feerless_Freep@madmagazine.com> wrote:
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<sando!@cox.com> wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
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> Thank you Larry:
> WEB MD has a good pro/con article on Dialysis. I fall
into the
> Con, I think. Due to age and other health
problems,particularly
> Prostate Cancer. There is no use getting a couple more
years from
> Dialysis, only to die a BAD death from PC. Kidney Failure
death is
> painless, so they say, until maybe the last day, Not so
with PC.
> I'm still open minded but cannot see any benefit to me
under the
> circumstances extant. I'll know more on 6/13
> Thanks again
> da
I'm 70 y.o. and 4 years ago found I had both bladder cancer
and prostate cancer. The bladder cancer was removed
surgically and I opted for the radioactive seed procedure
for the prostate--this took 'bout 1 hour as an outpatient
procedure, and 4 years later I am cancer free on both
counts. Recently my doc tells me I am close to needing
dialysis (Creatinine nearing 5) and I hate the idea--will do
it though of course because the alternative is death (and
likely not a good one either.) I am hoping this will at
least carry me to the next medical advances such as stem
cells or animal organ transplants for permanent fixes to my
diabetes and kidney disease--I'm still shooting for reaching
over 100 y.o. relatively comfortably...I have too many books
and movie videos and TV shows still to read and see before I
die!  ) ...tonyC
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| Jason Johnson 2006-06-04, 4:26 pm |
| In article <7jugg.64$Xq2.59@fe08.lga>, "Anthony Cerrato"
<tcerrato@optonline.net> wrote:
"Sando" <sando!@cox.com> wrote in message
news:b4a672psce1fdoe8s8gfe6bnj4berr3ovb@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 22 May 2006 13:25:17 -0700, Larry Krzewinski
> <Feerless_Freep@madmagazine.com> wrote:
>
<sando!@cox.com> wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
dialysis. I feel fine,[vbcol=seagreen]
otherwise OK. Is[vbcol=seagreen]
dialysis? My[vbcol=seagreen]
going to[vbcol=seagreen]
inconvenience[vbcol=seagreen]
blood tests[vbcol=seagreen]
dialysis. There is[vbcol=seagreen]
kidney[vbcol=seagreen]
nephrologist recommends[vbcol=seagreen]
trying to be mean[vbcol=seagreen]
alive if you[vbcol=seagreen]
Just ignoring[vbcol=seagreen]
> Thank you Larry:
> WEB MD has a good pro/con article on Dialysis. I fall
into the
> Con, I think. Due to age and other health
problems,particularly
> Prostate Cancer. There is no use getting a couple more
years from
> Dialysis, only to die a BAD death from PC. Kidney Failure
death is
> painless, so they say, until maybe the last day, Not so
with PC.
> I'm still open minded but cannot see any benefit to me
under the
> circumstances extant. I'll know more on 6/13
> Thanks again
> da
I'm 70 y.o. and 4 years ago found I had both bladder cancer
and prostate cancer. The bladder cancer was removed
surgically and I opted for the radioactive seed procedure
for the prostate--this took 'bout 1 hour as an outpatient
procedure, and 4 years later I am cancer free on both
counts. Recently my doc tells me I am close to needing
dialysis (Creatinine nearing 5) and I hate the idea--will do
it though of course because the alternative is death (and
likely not a good one either.) I am hoping this will at
least carry me to the next medical advances such as stem
cells or animal organ transplants for permanent fixes to my
diabetes and kidney disease--I'm still shooting for reaching
over 100 y.o. relatively comfortably...I have too many books
and movie videos and TV shows still to read and see before I
die! ) ...tonyC
I suggest that you read this book ASAP.
COPING WITH KIDNEY DISEASE by Mackenzie Walser, M.D. (kidney specialist).
The information in the book will help you to avoid dialysis.
Of course, it will involve a change in your diet. For example,
you will have to stop eating high amounts of meat.
Jason
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