Kidney Failure - Kidney Sales Question

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Kidney Sales Question

Anthony M. Saffer

2004-10-03, 10:20 pm

Hello Everyone,

I recently came into contact with several people who want to sell
their kidneys and are asking me to find buyers for them. While this
seems like a fairly straightforward process, I'm wondering what the
legality of doing such brokering might be? Is it against the law? I am
in the USA if that helps.

Thanks for your answers....

Anthony

Homefinders

2004-10-03, 10:20 pm

Anthony,

It is most definitely against the law in most places in the world. I can
only think of a couple of places where it is not and they are in the middle
and far east. In Australia, where I live, you can be prosecuted for even
OFFERING to sell your kidney on a site like this newsgroup, so I'm amazed
that so many people are game to do so.

I must admit that it does get a bit wearying having to trawl through so many
of these illegal and useless messages. Listen up folks, if we had the money
to purchase one, would we be sitting in front of our computers exchanging
info on how best to survive end stage renal failure? No! We'd be out there
with our new kidneys and living life to the full.

Judanne
in Tassie
"Anthony M. Saffer" <anthony.saffer@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1de062c1.0406031340.31ac722@posting.google.com...
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I recently came into contact with several people who want to sell
> their kidneys and are asking me to find buyers for them. While this
> seems like a fairly straightforward process, I'm wondering what the
> legality of doing such brokering might be? Is it against the law? I am
> in the USA if that helps.
>
> Thanks for your answers....
>
> Anthony

Extended Partition

2004-10-03, 10:20 pm

Hi Judanne,

Thank you for your reply to my post. I appreciate you taking the time to
respond. My response is inline with yours below...

> It is most definitely against the law in most places in the world. I can
> only think of a couple of places where it is not and they are in the
middle
> and far east. In Australia, where I live, you can be prosecuted for even
> OFFERING to sell your kidney on a site like this newsgroup, so I'm amazed
> that so many people are game to do so.

I did a bit of research after posting my original post and found out that it
is indeed illegal to offer the sale of bodily parts within the United States
(where I am located). I suppose that, while I can understand the reasoning
behind the banning of these sales, I haven't yet come to the conclusion that
doing so is in any way unethical or immoral. Yes, I understand the arguments
about it creating a meat market type atmosphere and favoring those with
money as opposed to those without but I look at it as just an extension of
our modern commerce system. Not to mention I could bring in my views about
abortion rights, etc in regards to this. However, I can see the ponts those
who argue against it make and I won't get involved in this if, for no other
reason than, because it's illegal.

> I must admit that it does get a bit wearying having to trawl through so
many
> of these illegal and useless messages. Listen up folks, if we had the
money
> to purchase one, would we be sitting in front of our computers exchanging
> info on how best to survive end stage renal failure? No! We'd be out
there
> with our new kidneys and living life to the full.

Well, for those who might not have access to my original post, I want to
point out that I *did not* make an offer to sell my kidney to anyone and
*will not* make such an offer on this or any other newsgroup. I was simply
asking about the legality of "brokering" such a sale. I just want that to be
clear to everyone.

Again, thank you for your answer. It was indeed enlightening and
informative.

Sincerely,
Anthony

kipling

2004-10-03, 10:20 pm

On 3 Jun 2004 14:40:00 -0700, anthony.saffer@gmail.com (Anthony M.
Saffer) wrote:

>Hello Everyone,
>
>I recently came into contact with several people who want to sell
>their kidneys and are asking me to find buyers for them. While this
>seems like a fairly straightforward process, I'm wondering what the
>legality of doing such brokering might be? Is it against the law? I am
>in the USA if that helps.
>
>Thanks for your answers....
>
>Anthony

It is legal to buy and sell in the Phillipines. It is done
in good hospitals by good surgeons - some US trained.
Having said that, I do not know if a foreigner can travel
there to sell, but a foreigner can certainly travel there to buy.
There was talk last year of tightening up the practice because
the country was gaining a negative image as the traffic
and demand was mushrooming beyond accepted limits.

There is a chap in California who arranges the trade in
kidneys, somehow within US laws. He has been investigated
more than once, and however he does it, authorities have not
been able to nail him. While he arranges it on US soil, the
transaction takes place outside the US. This chap has been
featured in documentaries more than once. Mind you, last
time I am aware of him is at least three years ago However
he did it, he had enough money to hire lawyers etc to defend
himself.

It is illegal to buy and sell in Canada, however, there is nothing
that stops a Canadian from travelling abroad to buy, having the
surgery done, and returning home to Canada to receive free
medical care for follow up etc...which can include taking care of
a botched job. Maybe not fair, but legal.
There has been lobbying for at least 4 years to make it a criminal
offense for a Canadian to buy an organ, but as far as I know, no
law has been passed to date.

k

Bill Dennis

2004-10-03, 10:21 pm

In my opinion, the unethical part is that someone with money has the chance
to go on living while the person that is poor or middle-classed will die.

What is to stop the family of a donor from auctioning off his organs after
death? In this case, I would have never received my kidney.

--
Bill Dennis and Guide Dog Beamer
====================================
Orlando, FL
billiam904@yahoo.com

"Stupid is as stupid does..." -- Forrest Gump.

"Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes."

"Extended Partition" <extendedpartition@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c048f82419bc5635ff5ffa4c8916e190@news.teranews.com...
> Hi Judanne,
>
> Thank you for your reply to my post. I appreciate you taking the time to
> respond. My response is inline with yours below...
>
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> middle
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>
> I did a bit of research after posting my original post and found out that
it
> is indeed illegal to offer the sale of bodily parts within the United
States
> (where I am located). I suppose that, while I can understand the reasoning
> behind the banning of these sales, I haven't yet come to the conclusion
that
> doing so is in any way unethical or immoral. Yes, I understand the
arguments
> about it creating a meat market type atmosphere and favoring those with
> money as opposed to those without but I look at it as just an extension of
> our modern commerce system. Not to mention I could bring in my views about
> abortion rights, etc in regards to this. However, I can see the ponts
those
> who argue against it make and I won't get involved in this if, for no
other
> reason than, because it's illegal.
>
> many
> money
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> there
>
> Well, for those who might not have access to my original post, I want to
> point out that I *did not* make an offer to sell my kidney to anyone and
> *will not* make such an offer on this or any other newsgroup. I was simply
> asking about the legality of "brokering" such a sale. I just want that to
be
> clear to everyone.
>
> Again, thank you for your answer. It was indeed enlightening and
> informative.
>
> Sincerely,
> Anthony
>
>
>

RoadCurve

2004-10-03, 10:21 pm

On a related note, anyone run across this one? www.kidneycontest.com

kipling

2004-10-03, 10:21 pm

On 29 Jun 2004 03:45:28 -0700, chadgray101@yahoo.com (RoadCurve)
wrote:

>On a related note, anyone run across this one? www.kidneycontest.com

Snort, grin, and chortle - gotta give the guy points for panache.

Maybe legal too?...no quid pro quo here - it's a contest.

Buy - Sell - illegal in Canada
Buy - - OK as long as you do it outside of Canada,
(Canada will look after your costs after
your return)...what a haven eh!
Give - Take - legal in Canada (LADS - 2003/04)
Give - Take - legal in US long before it was in Canada,
(where we got the idea)
Enter - Win - ?????

If he's in Canada, his problem is going to be getting someone
in the medical establisment to do it.

His statistics certainly look amusing. That many people were not
dropping dead in my dialysis unit.

It really starts to get messy when they start talking about paying a
cadaver family funeral expenses in exchange for an organ 'donation',
(as a thank-you - read 'an incentive'). IMO - read what you want.

Or, out of pocket expenses, for a living donor...the executive
donor versus the housewwife.

The ethics are daunting. As they say.

k

kipling

2004-10-03, 10:21 pm

On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:05:21 GMT, "Bill Dennis" <billiam904@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>In my opinion, the unethical part is that someone with money has the chance
>to go on living while the person that is poor or middle-classed will die.

IMO, ethics has absolutely nothing to do with money. Nothing.
Ethics is about what one believes to be right or wrong.
Period. Finish. Money or no money.

To wit:
construction : the discipline dealing with what is good and bad and
with moral duty and obligation
2 a : a set of moral principles or values b : a theory or system of
moral values <the present-day materialistic ethic> c plural but
singular or plu

beerfarts

2004-10-03, 10:22 pm

anthony m saffer,
get a real job. and send back the money you took from me.
do not do any buisness with this guy.

beerfarts

2004-10-03, 10:22 pm

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SEND ANTHONY M SAFFER ANY MONEY HE IS A THIEF.TO PROVE THIS I WILL POST
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Daniel Granot

2004-10-13, 7:11 pm

Don't know who is in the clear here, but check out
http://www.opensource-strategies.com/peluso.htm.

"beerfarts" <beerfarts@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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> anthony m saffer,
> get a real job. and send back the money you took from me.
> do not do any buisness with this guy.
>