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| Ragnar 2006-09-28, 4:29 pm |
| It puzzles me why the malcontent idiots do what they do.
It doesn't benefit themselves... at best, they just make fools of
themsleves.
It doesn't benefit anybody else.. the only real effect might be to
annoy people.
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| Ragnar schreef:
> It puzzles me why the malcontent idiots do what they do.
> It doesn't benefit themselves... at best, they just make fools of
> themsleves.
> It doesn't benefit anybody else.. the only real effect might be to
> annoy people.
Says who.................?
Jan (normally Dutch spoken)
Neither pro, nor anti LASEK,LASIK, PRK etc.....
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Ragnar wrote:
> It puzzles me why the malcontent idiots do what they do.
> It doesn't benefit themselves... at best, they just make fools of
> themsleves.
> It doesn't benefit anybody else.. the only real effect might be to
> annoy people.
Says you. They have the right to inform others of the dangers of lasik.
Maybe they annoy you but they dont annoy me or anyone else who should
thank them for fair warning what to expect on lasik.
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| Ragnar 2006-09-28, 9:29 pm |
| You must be referring to the non-existent dangers of lasik that you
idiots keep harping about.
There is no method of vision correction that is acceptable to you.
On 28 Sep 2006 15:04:09 -0700, "Ace" <acemanvx@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>Ragnar wrote:
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>Says you. They have the right to inform others of the dangers of lasik.
>Maybe they annoy you but they dont annoy me or anyone else who should
>thank them for fair warning what to expect on lasik.
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| Just Jack 2006-09-29, 8:31 am |
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"Ragnar" <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a2mnh29329lvb3co6u85qfjg780o0r3qai@4ax.com...
> It puzzles me why the malcontent idiots do what they do.
> It doesn't benefit themselves... at best, they just make fools of
> themsleves.
> It doesn't benefit anybody else.. the only real effect might be to
> annoy people.
It's hard for me to sit here and criticize your "malcontents" since I don't
know what their personal experiences have been. I tend to believe that at
least some of them have had some serious issues related to a lasik procedure
that has them seeing red as they say. Pun intended.
For the most part, I ignore all of it, both sides, and don't tend to read
much of it.
But I can't imagine why so many would pick up a crusade just for kicks and
to get their jollies off it. Why would they bother? Why decide to pick on
lasik and not something else like tattooing? I don't know, maybe the tattoo
groups have their fair share of "flappies".
Not standing in their shoes doesn't allow me the foresight to see what they
are going through. Or have been through. Is some of it made up or nonsense,
very possibly. But I can't believe it all is. I didn't have a bad outcome so
I don't know what that would be like. If I was an employee or retiree of
Enron, I might have some serious issues with corporate financing. But I'm
not, so I don't.
My point here is that yes, all the crap that is posted here makes it
extremely difficult to get unbiased info or help. But did a small group of
otherwise healthy people decide to launch a jihad and bring down the lasik
industry just for shits and giggles? I don't think so.
The rhetoric on both sides needs to be toned down to a middle roar, at the
least.
Signed, Love my lasik and I'm sticking with it.
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| Ragnar 2006-09-29, 4:31 pm |
| You should also consider that these people posting here with bad
results.. don't really exist! The most prolific of them is Ace.. who
hasn't had LASIK, and is still wearing glasses. Other than him.. just
about all the malcontent posts are from the team of Burch and Hanson.
They are both certifiable loonies. Hanson had his surgery something
like 9 years ago.. and still wants more surgery, and is hell bent on
attacking the entire lasik industry until they give him what he wants
for free. Burch is just plain crazy. I'm not sure that she has even
had refractive surgery. Almost all the malcontent posts you see here
are of the type "I heard of someone who...."
What is a shame is that post op patients who have questions are not
getting realistic information and suggestions to make their healing
process better. Everytime someone new asks "what's a good eyedrop?"
the malcontents respond with a hundred posts about the "horrors" of
lasik, etc. without offering any assistance.
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 12:50:17 GMT, "Just Jack"
<twobeersforme@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>"Ragnar" <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:a2mnh29329lvb3co6u85qfjg780o0r3qai@4ax.com...
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>It's hard for me to sit here and criticize your "malcontents" since I don't
>know what their personal experiences have been. I tend to believe that at
>least some of them have had some serious issues related to a lasik procedure
>that has them seeing red as they say. Pun intended.
>
>For the most part, I ignore all of it, both sides, and don't tend to read
>much of it.
>
>But I can't imagine why so many would pick up a crusade just for kicks and
>to get their jollies off it. Why would they bother? Why decide to pick on
>lasik and not something else like tattooing? I don't know, maybe the tattoo
>groups have their fair share of "flappies".
>
>Not standing in their shoes doesn't allow me the foresight to see what they
>are going through. Or have been through. Is some of it made up or nonsense,
>very possibly. But I can't believe it all is. I didn't have a bad outcome so
>I don't know what that would be like. If I was an employee or retiree of
>Enron, I might have some serious issues with corporate financing. But I'm
>not, so I don't.
>
>My point here is that yes, all the crap that is posted here makes it
>extremely difficult to get unbiased info or help. But did a small group of
>otherwise healthy people decide to launch a jihad and bring down the lasik
>industry just for shits and giggles? I don't think so.
>
>The rhetoric on both sides needs to be toned down to a middle roar, at the
>least.
>
>Signed, Love my lasik and I'm sticking with it.
>
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Just Jack wrote:
> "Ragnar" <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a2mnh29329lvb3co6u85qfjg780o0r3qai@4ax.com...
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> It's hard for me to sit here and criticize your "malcontents" since I don't
> know what their personal experiences have been. I tend to believe that at
> least some of them have had some serious issues related to a lasik procedure
> that has them seeing red as they say. Pun intended.
>
> For the most part, I ignore all of it, both sides, and don't tend to read
> much of it.
>
> But I can't imagine why so many would pick up a crusade just for kicks and
> to get their jollies off it. Why would they bother? Why decide to pick on
> lasik and not something else like tattooing? I don't know, maybe the tattoo
> groups have their fair share of "flappies".
>
> Not standing in their shoes doesn't allow me the foresight to see what they
> are going through. Or have been through. Is some of it made up or nonsense,
> very possibly. But I can't believe it all is. I didn't have a bad outcome so
> I don't know what that would be like. If I was an employee or retiree of
> Enron, I might have some serious issues with corporate financing. But I'm
> not, so I don't.
>
> My point here is that yes, all the crap that is posted here makes it
> extremely difficult to get unbiased info or help. But did a small group of
> otherwise healthy people decide to launch a jihad and bring down the lasik
> industry just for shits and giggles? I don't think so.
>
> The rhetoric on both sides needs to be toned down to a middle roar, at the
> least.
>
> Signed, Love my lasik and I'm sticking with it.
Jack, I can see your logic. Those with a seemly good lasik result dont
understand all the ruckus the malcontents are spewing to convey their
point. One thing they said to all who got lasik is "good result so far?
You arent off the hook, worry about long term complications for the
rest of your life" No one knows for sure how many will develop problems
20, 30, 40 years post lasik. They have shown cases of mid-term
complications happening between 1 and 10 years post lasik. One lady
developed severe dry eyes 7 years later. Another got ectasia 5 years
later.
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| doctor_my_eye@msn.com 2006-09-29, 4:31 pm |
| The number of people who have LASIK every year is equivalent to just
under 20% of the number of people who drop out of contact lenses every
year. LASIK has reached less than 5% of its available market. Keeping
the LASIK market at that sorry 5% is the job of people who educate the
public about what a pitiful surgery it can become for a small group of
seriously damaged patients. It is not worth the risk.
Ragnar wrote:
> It puzzles me why the malcontent idiots do what they do.
> It doesn't benefit themselves... at best, they just make fools of
> themsleves.
> It doesn't benefit anybody else.. the only real effect might be to
> annoy people.
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doctor_my_eye@msn.com wrote:
> The number of people who have LASIK every year is equivalent to just
> under 20% of the number of people who drop out of contact lenses every
> year. LASIK has reached less than 5% of its available market. Keeping
> the LASIK market at that sorry 5% is the job of people who educate the
> public about what a pitiful surgery it can become for a small group of
> seriously damaged patients. It is not worth the risk.
Lasik will fall out of favor as those who already got lasik obvbiously
cant get it again except for usually free enhancements. Those who
havent gotten lasik, many of them have decided not to. The number of
available willing customers......victims who want to ruin their eyes
are rapidly dwindling.
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| Ragnar 2006-09-29, 9:28 pm |
| You really are off your feed Minarik.
I have never seen anybody lamenting about how few people have LASIK
done. It's the most performed surgery in the world ever. What more
do you want? It's amazing how many people can come up with the
roughly $4000 to pay for the operation. As for risks.. they are
extremely minimal.. and certainly lower than those of contact lenses.
Everything seems to be about money to you.
By the way.. it is indisputable that lasik has put a dent in the
profits of the optometrists. After LASIK, people tend to forget about
getting a yearly eye exam which is unfortunate.
One thing you might be able to clear up without further making as XXX
of yourself is to tell me just what those people who stop wearing
contacts use for eye correction other than having lasik done? I would
hope that people don't give up on contacts and go back to glasses. But
if they got stuck with you as an eye doctor.. I can see why they would
do that.
You really out to be ashamed of yourself for the misinformation you
push. Your buddy went and got somebody to kill themselves with the
same kind of irresponsible advice that you give. Are you going to
knock it off when one of your patients kills themselves too? You
really are disgusting.
BTW... Mr. Ace would like you to fit him with OrthoK lenses.. go for
it. You don't even have to send me a commission. Tell him how you
will fit him with those lenses.
On 29 Sep 2006 11:10:28 -0700, "doctor_my_eye@msn.com"
<doctor_my_eye@msn.com> wrote:
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>The number of people who have LASIK every year is equivalent to just
>under 20% of the number of people who drop out of contact lenses every
>year. LASIK has reached less than 5% of its available market. Keeping
>the LASIK market at that sorry 5% is the job of people who educate the
>public about what a pitiful surgery it can become for a small group of
>seriously damaged patients. It is not worth the risk.
>Ragnar wrote:
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| Ragnar 2006-09-29, 9:28 pm |
| Jack isn't going to fall for your "be my pal" routine, Ace.
As I pointed out.. there really is nobody posting here who has a real
question about lasik... which is very unfortunate. The malcontents
have ruined this newsgroup for the people it was intended to serve.
Congratulations idiots. There is a hellfire awaiting you.
On 29 Sep 2006 11:01:33 -0700, "Ace" <acemanvx@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>Just Jack wrote:
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>Jack, I can see your logic. Those with a seemly good lasik result dont
>understand all the ruckus the malcontents are spewing to convey their
>point. One thing they said to all who got lasik is "good result so far?
>You arent off the hook, worry about long term complications for the
>rest of your life" No one knows for sure how many will develop problems
>20, 30, 40 years post lasik. They have shown cases of mid-term
>complications happening between 1 and 10 years post lasik. One lady
>developed severe dry eyes 7 years later. Another got ectasia 5 years
>later.
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