Lasik Eyes Surgery - So I'm stuck like this???

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So I'm stuck like this???

fal762n@gmail.com

2006-09-23, 4:28 pm

Granted I'm just a little over 3 weeks post op,
but the thought of being stuck with halos, glare
and ghost vision is terrifying. If someone would
had told me this might be a permanent outcome,
I would have jumped off the damned table and
thanked God for my glasses. My life has ground
to a halt over this.

The place I had this done made it sound like
it was as serious as a hair cut. What a crock
of shit that was...

If anyone is contemplating ANY RS surgery, you
better damn well better consider the side effects
and the fact that they may well be permanent.

laserblasted@yahoo.com

2006-09-23, 4:28 pm

fal762n@gmail.com wrote:
> Granted I'm just a little over 3 weeks post op,
> but the thought of being stuck with halos, glare
> and ghost vision is terrifying. If someone would
> had told me this might be a permanent outcome,
> I would have jumped off the damned table and
> thanked God for my glasses. My life has ground
> to a halt over this.
>
> The place I had this done made it sound like
> it was as serious as a hair cut. What a crock
> of shit that was...
>
> If anyone is contemplating ANY RS surgery, you
> better damn well better consider the side effects
> and the fact that they may well be permanent.

OK fal762n... 3 weeks post-op is NOT very far along. So you still have
some healing ahead of you. One of the many things that bothers me about
consent for corneal refractive surgeries is that there is no realistic
disclosure of how long you may be sidelined by poor vision while you
are 'recovering' or waiting for an 'enhancement' that may or may not
improve your vision.

Most patients with disastrous outcomes find a way to get to the bottom
of their situation, find ways to adapt, and find a new life. So many
damaged patients have said the exact same words to me... "I just want
my life back". The life you have after laser eye surgery may never be
the same life, but it can be a meaninful life.

There are patients who post on http://lasikflap.com/forum who are adept
at getting at the source of a patients' refractive surgery problems.
These patients know the 'better' doctors from the 'really bad' doctors
and know lens fitters who are terrific and may really be able to help
you.

I am stuck with permanent starburst, halos, ghosting, loss of contrast
sensitivity and painful dry eye as a result of my LASIK surgery. It's
too late for me, but I can help others. I would like to help you.

Your goal should be regaining your best possible vision and comfort
without doing further harm to your eyes. Typically rigid gas permable
lenses are the best bet. Why don't you go post your pre-op
prescription, post-op prescription and scans on 'the flap'
and see what the other patients have to say about them. An opportunity
to talk to patients who have been down this road is invaluable.

Industry thugs, salesmen and trolls will try to blow sunshine up your
skirt, but they all have some interest in keeping LASIK looking like an
attractive option rather than the complete mauling of a healthy cornea
that it actually is. Trust ONLY people with no financial interest in
refractive surgery who have demonstrated intelligence, willingness to
study, learn and work hard to help refractive surgery patients with
complications.

LASIK is indeed a major crock of shit, and far more serious than a hair
cut. Tell your friends and family this before they go and have it done,
then go to the flap for some information on how adapt to your outcome,
treat symptoms and avoid BS from your surgeon and other industry
representatives.

PS. I know guys who spent a year of their lives on the couch depressed
over their LASIK outcomes and are now doing great. There are ways to
cope, and understanding your situation and dealing with it from a
position of knowledge will be key to your recovery.

nun

2006-09-23, 9:33 pm

After just three weeks, it's too early to tell what your final result
will be. Some people notice great improvement in the first six months.
I didn't. Lasik trashed my vision, and it's only gotten worse since.

You could go to Lasikflap.com to vent and say rotten stuff about your
doctor, but don't look for help for your eyeballs there. They think a
"good" doctor is anyone who agrees with them, a "bad" doctor is anyone
else. A sympathetic line of blah-blah-blah might sound convincing, but
it's a doctor's experience with complications and skill in fitting
difficult corneas that counts. They have recommended some of the worst
doctors and maligned some of the best.

laserblasted@yahoo.com wrote:
> fal762n@gmail.com wrote:
>
> OK fal762n... 3 weeks post-op is NOT very far along. So you still have
> some healing ahead of you. One of the many things that bothers me about
> consent for corneal refractive surgeries is that there is no realistic
> disclosure of how long you may be sidelined by poor vision while you
> are 'recovering' or waiting for an 'enhancement' that may or may not
> improve your vision.
>
> Most patients with disastrous outcomes find a way to get to the bottom
> of their situation, find ways to adapt, and find a new life. So many
> damaged patients have said the exact same words to me... "I just want
> my life back". The life you have after laser eye surgery may never be
> the same life, but it can be a meaninful life.
>
> There are patients who post on http://lasikflap.com/forum who are adept
> at getting at the source of a patients' refractive surgery problems.
> These patients know the 'better' doctors from the 'really bad' doctors
> and know lens fitters who are terrific and may really be able to help
> you.
>
> I am stuck with permanent starburst, halos, ghosting, loss of contrast
> sensitivity and painful dry eye as a result of my LASIK surgery. It's
> too late for me, but I can help others. I would like to help you.
>
> Your goal should be regaining your best possible vision and comfort
> without doing further harm to your eyes. Typically rigid gas permable
> lenses are the best bet. Why don't you go post your pre-op
> prescription, post-op prescription and scans on 'the flap'
> and see what the other patients have to say about them. An opportunity
> to talk to patients who have been down this road is invaluable.
>
> Industry thugs, salesmen and trolls will try to blow sunshine up your
> skirt, but they all have some interest in keeping LASIK looking like an
> attractive option rather than the complete mauling of a healthy cornea
> that it actually is. Trust ONLY people with no financial interest in
> refractive surgery who have demonstrated intelligence, willingness to
> study, learn and work hard to help refractive surgery patients with
> complications.
>
> LASIK is indeed a major crock of shit, and far more serious than a hair
> cut. Tell your friends and family this before they go and have it done,
> then go to the flap for some information on how adapt to your outcome,
> treat symptoms and avoid BS from your surgeon and other industry
> representatives.
>
> PS. I know guys who spent a year of their lives on the couch depressed
> over their LASIK outcomes and are now doing great. There are ways to
> cope, and understanding your situation and dealing with it from a
> position of knowledge will be key to your recovery.

crvc56@msn.com

2006-09-23, 9:33 pm

I had a disastrous LASIK outcome nine years ago. Your vision should
get better over the next few months. Final result can take a year or
longer. So the majority of patients are eventually satisfied. If you
are a perfectionist, you may never be happy. There is always the
option of re-treatment with other laser procedures. Or there are RGP
lenses. These hard plastic contacts solve 90% of the defects LASIK did
to me. But I can't tolerate the hard contacts so I'm trying wavefront
glasses now. If these don't work, the next option is Synergeyes soft
contacts.

I had LASIK in the early days when none of these options existed. I
nearly went crazy, I nearly lost my career and family. There are
options but you have to be willing to seek these out.

knowthedirt@yahoo.com

2006-09-23, 9:33 pm

Lasikflap.com/forum is the only place to go online to get real help to
understand your lasik complications. You can contact members privately
to exchange images of your scans and discuss them on the phone. Nobody
there is selling anything, or profiting from LASIK in any way.

Membership is free.

I have to disagree with nun - many have been disuaded on
http://lasikflap.com/forum from rushing into surgical solutions, which
is invaluable help for the eyeballs.

http://lasikflap.com/forum has an excellent, and up-to-date medical
research collection on lasik complications.

And http://lasikflap.com/forum is a terrific site for LASIK prevention,
which is the best stage for intervention.

You should know up front that some damaged LASIK patients are not
helped at all by contact lenses. What counts is finding the best
possible solution for YOU, and understanding your situation so that you
can deal with it in the best way possible.

Saying rotten stuff about your doctor is optional and perfectly OK on
http://lasikflap.com/forum as long as it is TRUE. It may even help you
feel better to put a warning about your surgeon online for others!

Scott

2006-09-23, 9:33 pm

yes... by all means...
exchange scans and talk about them...
that will fix you right up

<knowthedirt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Lasikflap.com/forum is the only place to go online to get real help to
> understand your lasik complications. You can contact members privately
> to exchange images of your scans and discuss them on the phone. Nobody
> there is selling anything, or profiting from LASIK in any way.
>
> Membership is free.
>
> I have to disagree with nun - many have been disuaded on
> http://lasikflap.com/forum from rushing into surgical solutions, which
> is invaluable help for the eyeballs.
>
> http://lasikflap.com/forum has an excellent, and up-to-date medical
> research collection on lasik complications.
>
> And http://lasikflap.com/forum is a terrific site for LASIK prevention,
> which is the best stage for intervention.
>
> You should know up front that some damaged LASIK patients are not
> helped at all by contact lenses. What counts is finding the best
> possible solution for YOU, and understanding your situation so that you
> can deal with it in the best way possible.
>
> Saying rotten stuff about your doctor is optional and perfectly OK on
> http://lasikflap.com/forum as long as it is TRUE. It may even help you
> feel better to put a warning about your surgeon online for others!
>

Scott

2006-09-23, 9:33 pm

I had a fantastic LASIK outcome nine years ago.
Your vision should get better over the next few months.
Final result can take a year or longer.

<crvc56@msn.com> wrote in message
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> I had a disastrous LASIK outcome nine years ago. Your vision should
> get better over the next few months. Final result can take a year or
> longer. So the majority of patients are eventually satisfied. If you
> are a perfectionist, you may never be happy. There is always the
> option of re-treatment with other laser procedures. Or there are RGP
> lenses. These hard plastic contacts solve 90% of the defects LASIK did
> to me. But I can't tolerate the hard contacts so I'm trying wavefront
> glasses now. If these don't work, the next option is Synergeyes soft
> contacts.
>
> I had LASIK in the early days when none of these options existed. I
> nearly went crazy, I nearly lost my career and family. There are
> options but you have to be willing to seek these out.
>

knowthedirt@yahoo.com

2006-09-23, 9:33 pm

Scott wrote:
> yes... by all means...
> exchange scans and talk about them...
> that will fix you right up

Scans tell a lot. If you understand what's in them it is much harder
for your surgeon to BS you about your outcome.

serebel

2006-09-23, 9:33 pm

knowthedirt@yahoo.com

2006-09-23, 9:33 pm

Scott wrote:
> I had a fantastic LASIK outcome nine years ago.
> Your vision should get better over the next few months.
> Final result can take a year or longer.

Some patients regress, immediately or YEARS later. Funny, my doctor
said he was pleased with my outcome, but my vision was absolute garbage
from day 1 after LASIK and is getting worse as time goes by! I obtained
copies of all my scans and recognized serious problems with my initial
surgery - I could have done myself a lot more damage going after a
retreatment.

If you get through LASIK eye surgery and end up at a place where you
are not in pain and have decent, stable, functional vision even with
correction you're lucky.

serebel

2006-09-23, 9:33 pm

knowthed...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Some patients regress, immediately or YEARS later. Funny, my doctor
> said he was pleased with my outcome, but my vision was absolute garbage
> from day 1 after LASIK and is getting worse as time goes by! I obtained
> copies of all my scans and recognized serious problems with my initial
> surgery - I could have done myself a lot more damage going after a
> retreatment.
>

More flappie gloom and doom, no encouragement from them. No
suggestion as to how to go, just that you're doomed.

> If you get through LASIK eye surgery and end up at a place where you
> are not in pain and have decent, stable, functional vision even with
> correction you're lucky.

Total flapcrap from the doom and gloom whiners.

Scott

2006-09-24, 2:32 am

luckily you are schooled and educated enough to read and understand them...
let alone advise other people... jeez, just like a doctor...
how very clever you are indeed.

<knowthedirt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Scott wrote:
>
> Scans tell a lot. If you understand what's in them it is much harder
> for your surgeon to BS you about your outcome.
>

Scott

2006-09-24, 2:32 am

so... after 8 years when my prescription changed a bit...
I should really blame my Lasik surgeon...
Maybe I can get some scans and you can read them for me?

<knowthedirt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Scott wrote:
>
> Some patients regress, immediately or YEARS later. Funny, my doctor
> said he was pleased with my outcome, but my vision was absolute garbage
> from day 1 after LASIK and is getting worse as time goes by! I obtained
> copies of all my scans and recognized serious problems with my initial
> surgery - I could have done myself a lot more damage going after a
> retreatment.
>
> If you get through LASIK eye surgery and end up at a place where you
> are not in pain and have decent, stable, functional vision even with
> correction you're lucky.
>

knowthedirt@yahoo.com

2006-09-24, 4:27 pm

Scott wrote:
> so... after 8 years when my prescription changed a bit...
> I should really blame my Lasik surgeon...
> Maybe I can get some scans and you can read them for me?

What you may end up seeing is thinning and stretching of the cornea as
you age. Most patients with RK experienced this over time - since their
weak point was at the periphery, their corneas stretch at the periphery
resulting in a hyperopic shift. Essentially their corneas are
collapsing centrally.

Former myopes who had LASIK are more likely to experience weakening
centrally. So perhaps over time as your collagen ages your cornea will
destabiilize and you will become progressively nearsighted.

If you notice these changes in your prescription, an Orbscan would be
the best scan to get. Obtaining serial orbscans will let you know if
the condition is progressing or stable.

Charles Casebeer, one of the founders of LASIK testified that ALL LASIK
patients corneas are bulging forward. This means you. When and if this
becomes a problemis still up in the air.

Damaged corneal nerves may haunt you later in life, and when you have
cataract surgery your surgeon may have a hard time getting the right
lens prescription for you because you had LASIK.

People who have had LASIK have already developed these problems... I'm
not speculating about what happens in general, but it's impossible to
predict what will happen to an individual especially without some
specifics on hand.

For example, you'd need an artemis scan to tell you exacly how many
microns of tissue you have remaining under your flap, and an Orbscan
would be nice to check your pachemetry and posterior float.

I have met plenty of former LASIK 20/20 happies who turned into LASIK
disaster years later from dry eye and/or ectasia. It happens. It could
happen to you. Careful about being so smug about your outcome. It isn't
very nice, and since you have corneas that have undergone LASIK, you
may suffer a multitude of complications down the road.

Wouldn't wish this on anyone, that's why this flawed procedure should
be discontinued.

knowthedirt@yahoo.com

2006-09-24, 9:36 pm

crvc56@msn.com wrote:

> longer. So the majority of patients are eventually satisfied. If you
> are a perfectionist, you may never be happy.

Now that medical research has demonstrated permanent damage from LASIK
to every eye, telling people that the majority of patients are
satisfied is NOT helpful. All happy LASIK patients have damaged
corneas. People with undiagnosed CANCER may be happy, too... till the
consequences of their condition catch up with them.

The consequences of RK surgeries are catching up with RK patients. It
is reasonable to suspect that the same may be in store for LASIK
patients.

You don't have to be a perfectionist to expect preserve quality vision
and eye health when you visit an Ophthalmologist. This sounds like
language LASIK surgeons and the industry use to blame patients for
their legitimate dissatisfaction with poor visual outcomes.

> There is always the option of re-treatment with other laser procedures.

Unless you have an artemis scan to show you have enough tissue and are
aware that retreatments may leave you with worse vision than you
started out with (and are NOT FDA approved), then this may not be such
an attractive option.

> Or there are RGP lenses. These hard plastic contacts solve 90% of the defects
> LASIK did to me. But I can't tolerate the hard contacts so I'm trying wavefront
> glasses now. If these don't work, the next option is Synergeyes soft
> contacts.

Don't get me started on wavefront glasses. Do they plan to bolt these
to your head so that the complex correction stays perfectly aligned
with your aberations?

> I had LASIK in the early days when none of these options existed. I
> nearly went crazy, I nearly lost my career and family. There are
> options but you have to be willing to seek these out.

SynergEyes lenses are a real advance and are helping many patients who
have been helped by nothing else. Other than these lenses, I haven't
seen much that helps damaged patients. Retreatment with lasers, even
wavefront retreatment which was supposed to fix all the casualties...
has been a huge disappointment for fairly obvious reasons. Sadly, many
in the industry and most practitioners are unable to understand obvious
factors underlying the failure of wavefront retreatment. People are
still nearly going crazy after disastrous LASIK outcomes, losing their
careers and their familes.... and there is no reliable fix in sight.

When you have a goose laying golden eggs, denial is working pretty
strongly against the admission that there may be serious problems with
that goose.

serebel

2006-09-24, 9:36 pm

Pretty long winded posts of absolutely nothing by tha latest flappie
alias.

How 'bout this: Oh boo hoo, my shoelace came untied, I blame lasik.
I'm a flappie and my dog left 'cause she couldn't take the whining.
Wah, wah, wah !!!!!!

Scott

2006-09-24, 9:36 pm

"Dr. Casebeer also helped to introduce LASIK to American eye surgeons".

hardly the founder of Lasik...
we have had commercial PRK since 1990 and Lasik since 1995.

At almost 10 years (next mar or apr... can't remember) post-op I think I have
every right to be smug/pleased about my outcome.
did I get lucky?... was he a great surgeon?... was it a great laser (meditec mel
60)?...
who knows... but there is absolutely no way for you to spin this into some
anti-Lasik, the sky is falling, sob story.

<knowthedirt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
SNIP
> Charles Casebeer, one of the founders of LASIK testified that ALL LASIK
> patients corneas are bulging forward. This means you. When and if this
> becomes a problemis still up in the air.
>
SNIP
> I have met plenty of former LASIK 20/20 happies who turned into LASIK
> disaster years later from dry eye and/or ectasia. It happens. It could
> happen to you. Careful about being so smug about your outcome. It isn't
> very nice, and since you have corneas that have undergone LASIK, you
> may suffer a multitude of complications down the road.
>
> Wouldn't wish this on anyone, that's why this flawed procedure should
> be discontinued.
>

serebel

2006-09-24, 9:36 pm

Scott wrote:
>
> At almost 10 years (next mar or apr... can't remember) post-op I think I have
> every right to be smug/pleased about my outcome.
> did I get lucky?... was he a great surgeon?... was it a great laser (meditec mel
> 60)?...
> who knows... but there is absolutely no way for you to spin this into some
> anti-Lasik, the sky is falling, sob story.
>

You absolutely have the right to be as happy as you want to be. These
moronic flappies exist to be the monitors of all things miserable.

Ragnar

2006-09-25, 8:29 am

Knowsthedirt's post is complete garbage.

One fundamental error is that it refers to LASIK patients as being
"former myopes". That is not true. If you are a myope, you will
always be a myope. There is no way to change the shape of your eye.
LASIK merely makes a microscopic flattening of the outer cornea about
the thickness of 3 sheets of typing paper. This re-focuses the light
entering your eye to compensate for the refractive error. What very
few people consider is that the myopic eye is much more problematic
than a normal eye. LASIK essentially gives people the ability to see
as clearly as a normal eye even though you have abnomal eyes and
always will have abnormal eyes.

On 24 Sep 2006 13:32:16 -0700, knowthedirt@yahoo.com wrote:

>
>Scott wrote:
>
>What you may end up seeing is thinning and stretching of the cornea as
>you age. Most patients with RK experienced this over time - since their
>weak point was at the periphery, their corneas stretch at the periphery
>resulting in a hyperopic shift. Essentially their corneas are
>collapsing centrally.
>
>Former myopes who had LASIK are more likely to experience weakening
>centrally. So perhaps over time as your collagen ages your cornea will
>destabiilize and you will become progressively nearsighted.
>
>If you notice these changes in your prescription, an Orbscan would be
>the best scan to get. Obtaining serial orbscans will let you know if
>the condition is progressing or stable.
>
>Charles Casebeer, one of the founders of LASIK testified that ALL LASIK
>patients corneas are bulging forward. This means you. When and if this
>becomes a problemis still up in the air.
>
>Damaged corneal nerves may haunt you later in life, and when you have
>cataract surgery your surgeon may have a hard time getting the right
>lens prescription for you because you had LASIK.
>
>People who have had LASIK have already developed these problems... I'm
>not speculating about what happens in general, but it's impossible to
>predict what will happen to an individual especially without some
>specifics on hand.
>
>For example, you'd need an artemis scan to tell you exacly how many
>microns of tissue you have remaining under your flap, and an Orbscan
>would be nice to check your pachemetry and posterior float.
>
>I have met plenty of former LASIK 20/20 happies who turned into LASIK
>disaster years later from dry eye and/or ectasia. It happens. It could
>happen to you. Careful about being so smug about your outcome. It isn't
>very nice, and since you have corneas that have undergone LASIK, you
>may suffer a multitude of complications down the road.
>
>Wouldn't wish this on anyone, that's why this flawed procedure should
>be discontinued.

Ragnar

2006-09-25, 8:29 am

Again.. complete nonsense.
LASIK does not damage corneas at all. It is really a no-brainer.
LASIK essentially is like taking your existing cone shaped cornea,
removing a paper thin layer of cells off the surface.. and that is it.
Some damage.
If someone is paranoiid about a flap, then go have PRK done which has
no flap... even though the flap is a good thing. If you don't think
the flap is a good thiing.. go have PRK. In the end, you will get the
same visual improvement.

On 24 Sep 2006 15:14:11 -0700, knowthedirt@yahoo.com wrote:

>
>crvc56@msn.com wrote:
>
>
>
>Now that medical research has demonstrated permanent damage from LASIK
>to every eye, telling people that the majority of patients are
>satisfied is NOT helpful. All happy LASIK patients have damaged
>corneas. People with undiagnosed CANCER may be happy, too... till the
>consequences of their condition catch up with them.
>
>The consequences of RK surgeries are catching up with RK patients. It
>is reasonable to suspect that the same may be in store for LASIK
>patients.
>
>You don't have to be a perfectionist to expect preserve quality vision
>and eye health when you visit an Ophthalmologist. This sounds like
>language LASIK surgeons and the industry use to blame patients for
>their legitimate dissatisfaction with poor visual outcomes.
>
>
>Unless you have an artemis scan to show you have enough tissue and are
>aware that retreatments may leave you with worse vision than you
>started out with (and are NOT FDA approved), then this may not be such
>an attractive option.
>
>
>Don't get me started on wavefront glasses. Do they plan to bolt these
>to your head so that the complex correction stays perfectly aligned
>with your aberations?
>
>
>SynergEyes lenses are a real advance and are helping many patients who
>have been helped by nothing else. Other than these lenses, I haven't
>seen much that helps damaged patients. Retreatment with lasers, even
>wavefront retreatment which was supposed to fix all the casualties...
>has been a huge disappointment for fairly obvious reasons. Sadly, many
>in the industry and most practitioners are unable to understand obvious
>factors underlying the failure of wavefront retreatment. People are
>still nearly going crazy after disastrous LASIK outcomes, losing their
>careers and their familes.... and there is no reliable fix in sight.
>
>When you have a goose laying golden eggs, denial is working pretty
>strongly against the admission that there may be serious problems with
>that goose.

Ace

2006-09-27, 8:30 am

serebel

2006-09-27, 9:30 pm

Ace wrote:
>
>
> My condolences! Well lets hope things improve. Its still early so maybe
> some of the ghosting will go away. If your pupils are larger than the
> lasik zone, youll be stuck with glare, starbursts and halos. This was
> something you should have been informed before lasik. Lasik is nothing
> like a haircut. I wish you had been informed about lasik. Did you even
> get to read the informed consent? If not, you can sue.

Now that the retard has diagnosed you, he's also giving you legal
advice.