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10 million lasik procedures.. and ACE - who hasn't even had lasik
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| Ragnar 2006-09-17, 8:28 am |
| Here's something to ponder...
Roughly 10 million LASIK procedures have been performed.
It is difficult to visualize what 10 million of something is.. here is
one way..
Imagine a square 10 feet long and 10 feet wide. That square would
contains about 10 million squares that are 1 MILLIMETER wide.
Now.. consider that ACE is really the only idiot here whining about
LASIK.. and he has not even HAD lasik done!!!
I find it absolutely astonishing that out of 10 million procedures..
there are so few problems.
By the way... a ONE INCH square of that 10 foot square would represent
645 people.
By the way.. by the statistics of the NOAA website, out of 3000 out of
10 million people will be struck by lightning sometime in their
lifetime. 3000 people would repreasent FIVE square inches on that 10
foot square.
I hope that some people take the time to visiualize this. I must
admit that I too have difficulting comprehending just how many 10
million is. Apparently a lot of people have this problem.. because
state lotteries typically have odds of 1 in 14 million of winning..
yet people seem to believe that they have a significant chance of
winning it. State lotteries have about a 25% return on the bet versus
a 98% return on a bet at a casino's games. Lotteries are essentially
a tax on stupid people.
Hey Ace... if you ever get a job.. go invest your paycheck in lottery
tickets.
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| southeasteyecare@hotmail.com 2006-09-17, 4:29 pm |
| ALL LASIK PATIENTS HAVE PROBLEMS. Ten million. That's a lot of damage.
More were damaged by the cigarette industry. Still, LASIK is an
elective procedure performed by a 'doctor'. LASIK patients aren't
losing visual quality, corneal nerve density and corneal integrity
because of an interaction with a farmer, now are they?
It's 'doctors' and a 'medical industry' doing damage with LASIK eye
surgery. And that makes it all the more heinous.
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| Ragnar 2006-09-17, 4:29 pm |
| You are out of your mind.
Whatever problems I have with my eyes now are trivial compared to the
problems I had BEFORE my LASIK.
On 17 Sep 2006 07:15:24 -0700, southeasteyecare@hotmail.com wrote:
>ALL LASIK PATIENTS HAVE PROBLEMS. Ten million. That's a lot of damage.
>More were damaged by the cigarette industry. Still, LASIK is an
>elective procedure performed by a 'doctor'. LASIK patients aren't
>losing visual quality, corneal nerve density and corneal integrity
>because of an interaction with a farmer, now are they?
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>It's 'doctors' and a 'medical industry' doing damage with LASIK eye
>surgery. And that makes it all the more heinous.
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| serebel 2006-09-17, 9:33 pm |
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southeasteyecare@hotmail.com wrote:
> ALL LASIK PATIENTS HAVE PROBLEMS. Ten million. That's a lot of damage.
> More were damaged by the cigarette industry. Still, LASIK is an
> elective procedure performed by a 'doctor'. LASIK patients aren't
> losing visual quality, corneal nerve density and corneal integrity
> because of an interaction with a farmer, now are they?
>
> It's 'doctors' and a 'medical industry' doing damage with LASIK eye
> surgery. And that makes it all the more heinous.
Okay, loosen up that tin beany you have on. It's on waaaaay too
tight. My guess is that you don't even read your own ridiculous posts.
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| lasik5506 2006-09-17, 9:33 pm |
| Here, here! Where is the clapping smiley when you need it? Some of
these people couldn't last a day with the issues I had during 20+ years
of very high astigmatism, myopia and dependancy on RGPs and glasses.
Ragnar wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> You are out of your mind.
> Whatever problems I have with my eyes now are trivial compared to the
> problems I had BEFORE my LASIK.
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> On 17 Sep 2006 07:15:24 -0700, southeasteyecare@hotmail.com wrote:
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| serebel 2006-09-17, 9:33 pm |
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lasik5506 wrote:
> Here, here! Where is the clapping smiley when you need it? Some of
> these people couldn't last a day with the issues I had during 20+ years
> of very high astigmatism, myopia and dependancy on RGPs and glasses.
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I can only imagine what else they spend their lives whining about.
Maybe whining about lasik keeps them safe and off the streets.
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lasik5506 wrote:
> Here, here! Where is the clapping smiley when you need it? Some of
> these people couldn't last a day with the issues I had during 20+ years
> of very high astigmatism, myopia and dependancy on RGPs and glasses.
You still havent told why you hated glasses so much. I know why you
hated RGPs, they were very uncomfortable. I was thinking of getting
RGPs and my optometrist even told me about the comfort issue and if I
get dust in my eyes, itll be very painful! My mom said dont even waste
your money with RGPs. OrthoK is a different story and is likley to
benefit me.
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| lasik5506 2006-09-18, 4:29 pm |
| Oh, RGPs were comfortable for about 18 years, and then all of a sudden,
they started hurting when I put them in. I went from wearing them
13-14 hours/day to 2-3 hours/day because of the discomfort.
For me, glasses did not offer the same type of vision as RGPs or even
LASIK. RGPs offered more crisp vision than LASIK, but I knew that
going into it. So, it's no big deal.
Glasses. Well, they didn't fit my nose well. I couldn't wear
sunglasses. I had to know where they were at all times. I couldn't
read a newspaper, watch t.v. or even check the mail without them. I
couldn't see to put on my make-up. They interfered when I tried to
curl my hair. They broke easily. They were an all-around nuisance.
I have freedom now, Ace.
Ace wrote:
> lasik5506 wrote:
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> You still havent told why you hated glasses so much. I know why you
> hated RGPs, they were very uncomfortable. I was thinking of getting
> RGPs and my optometrist even told me about the comfort issue and if I
> get dust in my eyes, itll be very painful! My mom said dont even waste
> your money with RGPs. OrthoK is a different story and is likley to
> benefit me.
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| Ragnar 2006-09-18, 4:29 pm |
| On 17 Sep 2006 22:00:10 -0700, "Ace" <acemanvx@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>lasik5506 wrote:
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>You still havent told why you hated glasses so much. I know why you
>hated RGPs, they were very uncomfortable. I was thinking of getting
>RGPs and my optometrist even told me about the comfort issue and if I
>get dust in my eyes, itll be very painful! My mom said dont even waste
>your money with RGPs. OrthoK is a different story and is likley to
>benefit me.
You dumbass.. OrthoK lenses ARE RGP lenses.
Your mom sounds like a real cheapskate. She should have learned her
lesson by not paying 50 cents for a condom 24 years ago. Then you
could have been flushed down the toilet and we wouldn't have to put up
with your daily flood of garbage.
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| Ragnar 2006-09-18, 4:29 pm |
| I found that generally.. soft contacts are sometimes so comfortable
that you can't even feel them.. but othertimes they are extremely
painful due to wrinking, shifting, folding, adhering to the sclera,
etc.
RGPs on the other hand are rarely very painful, but they are never so
comfortable that you can't feel them.
The exception to this is if your OD doesn't know how to fit RGP
lenses. I had a few pairs that felt like I was sticking toenail
clippings into my eyes.
On 18 Sep 2006 07:09:14 -0700, "lasik5506" <leopard72@hotmail.com>
wrote:
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>Oh, RGPs were comfortable for about 18 years, and then all of a sudden,
>they started hurting when I put them in. I went from wearing them
>13-14 hours/day to 2-3 hours/day because of the discomfort.
>
>For me, glasses did not offer the same type of vision as RGPs or even
>LASIK. RGPs offered more crisp vision than LASIK, but I knew that
>going into it. So, it's no big deal.
>
>Glasses. Well, they didn't fit my nose well. I couldn't wear
>sunglasses. I had to know where they were at all times. I couldn't
>read a newspaper, watch t.v. or even check the mail without them. I
>couldn't see to put on my make-up. They interfered when I tried to
>curl my hair. They broke easily. They were an all-around nuisance.
>
>I have freedom now, Ace.
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>Ace wrote:
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lasik5506 wrote:
> Oh, RGPs were comfortable for about 18 years, and then all of a sudden,
> they started hurting when I put them in. I went from wearing them
> 13-14 hours/day to 2-3 hours/day because of the discomfort.
>
> For me, glasses did not offer the same type of vision as RGPs or even
> LASIK. RGPs offered more crisp vision than LASIK, but I knew that
> going into it. So, it's no big deal.
>
> Glasses. Well, they didn't fit my nose well. I couldn't wear
> sunglasses. I had to know where they were at all times. I couldn't
> read a newspaper, watch t.v. or even check the mail without them. I
> couldn't see to put on my make-up. They interfered when I tried to
> curl my hair. They broke easily. They were an all-around nuisance.
>
> I have freedom now, Ace.
So could you have gone to wearing soft contacts or maybe sclearal
lenses? Surely there was some other option as lasik is considered a
last resort. If glasses didnt offer vision as good as lasik, maybe you
didnt get the proper prescription glasses? Its possible, who knows. If
your glasses didnt fit your nose, id get a different style frame that
will fit. Ive had glasses that fit poorly and were crooked. I replaced
them and they are now fine. Maybe bifocals would help you with reading
and makeup. I just take my glasses off to read. As for hair curl, have
your husband help you with that or do it without glasses. If they break
easily, you have some cheap low quality frames. I havent broken a
single pair of glasses in many years. I agree with you that they are a
nuisance, but not a serious one. I guess I am entitled to my opinion.
Some people hate glasses much more than I do. I will be trying orthoK
but if its not for me, I will keep dealing with the minor inconvinence
of glasses
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| lasik5506 2006-09-19, 8:29 am |
| Now, Ace, you are grasping at straws. Have my husband help me curl my
hair every day? No, thanks. 
I wore soft lenses for about 3 years before I changed to RGPs. I tried
to go back to them when RGPs became uncomfortable, but it just didn't
work. They felt horrible, and my vision was not crisp at all.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I do respect it. What
I don't understand is why you are trying to convince me that I made a
bad decision? I tried EVERYTHING before LASIK. You have admitted that
your vision/astig. are not near as bad as mine were. So, there is no
comparison. I wanted RS years ago but chickened out. I finally did it
when I was ready, and I am glad I did.
Ace wrote:
> lasik5506 wrote:
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> So could you have gone to wearing soft contacts or maybe sclearal
> lenses? Surely there was some other option as lasik is considered a
> last resort. If glasses didnt offer vision as good as lasik, maybe you
> didnt get the proper prescription glasses? Its possible, who knows. If
> your glasses didnt fit your nose, id get a different style frame that
> will fit. Ive had glasses that fit poorly and were crooked. I replaced
> them and they are now fine. Maybe bifocals would help you with reading
> and makeup. I just take my glasses off to read. As for hair curl, have
> your husband help you with that or do it without glasses. If they break
> easily, you have some cheap low quality frames. I havent broken a
> single pair of glasses in many years. I agree with you that they are a
> nuisance, but not a serious one. I guess I am entitled to my opinion.
> Some people hate glasses much more than I do. I will be trying orthoK
> but if its not for me, I will keep dealing with the minor inconvinence
> of glasses
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lasik5506 wrote:
> Now, Ace, you are grasping at straws. Have my husband help me curl my
> hair every day? No, thanks.
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> I wore soft lenses for about 3 years before I changed to RGPs. I tried
> to go back to them when RGPs became uncomfortable, but it just didn't
> work. They felt horrible, and my vision was not crisp at all.
>
> You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I do respect it. What
> I don't understand is why you are trying to convince me that I made a
> bad decision? I tried EVERYTHING before LASIK. You have admitted that
> your vision/astig. are not near as bad as mine were. So, there is no
> comparison. I wanted RS years ago but chickened out. I finally did it
> when I was ready, and I am glad I did.
My apologies. I didnt know you tried everything before considering
lasik as a last resort. You are right, I can not put myself in your
shoes. I would have little idea what its like to have such bad vision
as you with high astigmatism. How well did you correct with glasses? If
20/25, that is respectable vision and is as_good_as_I_correct with
glasses. If it was 20/40 or worse, then I could see justification in
lasik, even for myself if unbiased reserch showed a very good chance of
improving BCVA. I do know one guy in fact who only got 20/40 with
glasses and is 20/20 after lasik. He had an astigmatism not correctable
with glasses so it was either RGPs or risk lasik.
If you feel lasik was a good decision, thats all it matters. My opinion
is you didnt make a good decision, meaning if I were in your shoes, I
would have stuck with glasses. My opinion is the same for almost
everyone. You know that I am a cautious person and not one to take
risks. Also most of us know that lasik is not perfect, but a
compromise. I know that if I were to get lasik(hypothethically
speaking) I would be expecting dry eyes and a decrease in vision, much
more so at night. I then think about the inconveniences of glasses vs.
the inconveniences of lasik. Would I get lasik if my eyes were as bad
as yours? That would be a thought call because I tolerate glasses
better than you and am not one to take risks on something elective.
I guess I can say that lasik is not right for most people. You likley
would have never had lasik if your eyes were like mine where youd be
able to take your glasses off and read thanks to very low astigmatism.
Youd also experience less distortion and minification. To be honest,
you had more reasons than most people to get lasik due to your
circumstances.
Thanks for all your replies! Take care and hope your eyes get better!
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| Ace schreef:
> My apologies. I didnt know you tried everything before considering
> lasik as a last resort. You are right, I can not put myself in your
> shoes.
> If you feel lasik was a good decision, thats all it matters. My opinion
> is you didnt make a good decision, meaning if I were in your shoes, I
> would have stuck with glasses.
Ace, what a block head you are.
First apologies because you didn't know and immediately lecturing the
OP after.
As always, Ace give mom and dad a kiss and go to sleep, remember hands
above the sheets to avoid the increase mend in the two kinds of
shortsightedness you are suffering from.
Jan (normally Dutch spoken)
Neither pro, nor anti, LASIK, LASEK , PRK etc.....
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