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A classic exampe of why Ace needs to stop posting his idea of 20/2 vision
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| Ragnar 2006-07-26, 9:28 pm |
| Ace... who wears glasses.. is constantly criticizing LASIK - for no
valid reasons... yet below he is talking about growing retinas in a
laboratory and getting 20/2 vision.
My dear boy.. there is not even a simple pump made yet that can
replace a heart. If you are planning on living another 4 thousand
years, you might get your petri dish retinas. Cataract surgery has
been done for thousands of years, glasses have been around for
hundreds of years, contacts have been around for about 80 years, LASIK
has been around for less than 10 years... all of these procedures
involve nothing more than techiques to poke a hole in the eye, remove
a tiny amount of cornea, or slap a piece of plastic to the cornea.
This is all extremely simple stuff done to the depth of a millimeter
on the exposed surface of the eye. What you are talking about ia a
million times more complicated than anything done today. In short,
you are out of your mind.
I suppose you are trying to persuade people to forego LASIK surgery
and wait for some new eyes to be grown for them in a lab to be plopped
in like a USB device on a computer.
Let me clue you in on something else.. there are limitations on
technology also. For instance... for about 20 years, the advances in
computers were happening so rapidly that every year the computers of
the year before were outdated. There has not been any significant
computer advances in the last 5 years and there are no computer
advances in the forseeable future.
You need to get your head out of the comic books and come back to
reality.
You talk about unrealistic expactations.. yet you are by FAR the worst
offender of putting forth unrealistic expectations. 20/2 vision
indeed.
On 26 Jul 2006 02:21:57 -0700, "Ace" <acemanvx@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>Tom Lucas said:
>Youd be supprised 
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>Trying to shorten an eyeball is like shortening a finger. Wont happen.
>I know an enlongated eye can sometimes led to a burst/detached retina.
>That can often be fixed and in the future there will be labatory grown
>retinas to replace damaged ones. There is also talk of making retinas
>with higher density rods/cones for vision in the 20/5 to 20/2(!) range!
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| Tom Lucas 2006-07-27, 8:26 am |
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"Ragnar" <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:r05gc21k9tvuq4p3avpfralcc0fj88qpq6@4ax.com...
> Ace... who wears glasses.. is constantly criticizing LASIK - for no
> valid reasons... yet below he is talking about growing retinas in a
> laboratory and getting 20/2 vision.
>
> What you are talking about ia a
> million times more complicated than anything done today. In short,
> you are out of your mind.
In Ace's defence then he's not talking about solutions in the short
term. If your crazy president doesn't kill off stem cell research
entirely then I think there is hope for growing replacement retinas in
the future, although I'm not sure they will be super bionic 20/2
versions. However, if attitudes towards genetic modification change then
it might not be an huge technological leap to increase the numbers of
rods and cones while the retina is growing. We'll not see it for quite a
while though.
> There has not been any significant
> computer advances in the last 5 years and there are no computer
> advances in the forseeable future.
I would hotly dispute that and offer wi-fi on its own as a major
advance. I agree that the development of the fundamental technology of
computer processors has slowed compared to the mid 90's Pentium
revolution but it still advances at a fair old lick and the latest 64bit
processors have some very clever innovations. A good friend of mine is
doing a Phd with quantum dot lasers which are set to revolutionise
physical link communications and research on dynamic processors which
optimise themselves intelligently is going well. Just look at current
phones compared to 5 years ago - they weren't even colour then and WAP
had only just been conceived.
The next five years will be all about bringing the internet into all
corners of our lives and ensuring that you are never far from a device
with access, preferably about your person. The thrust will be towards
having one wireless data "pipe" into your home which receives all TV,
phone and internet and intergrating that data into devices all around
the house.
I'm already working toward that goal, which is achievable with current
technology, by having a Digital TV reciever with a Hard-disc recorder
which I can access wirelessly from one of a number of PCs around the
house and watch recorded programs anywhere, including on handheld
devices. I can also get on-line from any of those points via a wireless
internet router which means I can have web access anywhere plus I can
get streaming radio and TV from anywhere in the world. I also have a
server for mp3s and stored videos so I can have music and video
everywhere too.
At the moment I still have a dedicated phone but once IP phones pick up
in the UK then I can switch to those and be completely digital. This is
AOL/Timewarner's goal for the next five years because I'm ahead of
current trend and it will take time before the masses are prepared to
embrace so much technology.
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Ragnar said:
> Ace... who wears glasses.. is constantly criticizing LASIK - for no
> valid reasons... yet below he is talking about growing retinas in a
> laboratory and getting 20/2 vision.
Maybe I am dreaming but I read about it somewhere on the internet!
> My dear boy.. there is not even a simple pump made yet that can
> replace a heart.
Theres artifical hearts invented decades ago.
>If you are planning on living another 4 thousand
> years, you might get your petri dish retinas.
Actually there is already a simple microchip computer retina that gives
20/2000 monochrome(black white) vision to the blind. Improvements will
add colorvision and higher resolution for at least 20/200. No one knows
how soon super vision retinas will be invented, I may be long dead by
then!
>Cataract surgery has
> been done for thousands of years, glasses have been around for
> hundreds of years, contacts have been around for about 80 years, LASIK
> has been around for less than 10 years... all of these procedures
> involve nothing more than techiques to poke a hole in the eye, remove
> a tiny amount of cornea, or slap a piece of plastic to the cornea.
> This is all extremely simple stuff done to the depth of a millimeter
> on the exposed surface of the eye. What you are talking about ia a
> million times more complicated than anything done today. In short,
> you are out of your mind.
Technology is advancing so fast, anything can happen in 10 years from
now! Already there is talk of something to replace lasik!
> I suppose you are trying to persuade people to forego LASIK surgery
> and wait for some new eyes to be grown for them in a lab to be plopped
> in like a USB device on a computer.
I am happy with the eyes I have, I just need a simple refractive fix,
not new eyeballs! Many people want something better and safer than
lasik, some are waiting for this reason, others arent candidates or not
interested in the risks of lasik.
> Let me clue you in on something else.. there are limitations on
> technology also. For instance... for about 20 years, the advances in
> computers were happening so rapidly that every year the computers of
> the year before were outdated. There has not been any significant
> computer advances in the last 5 years and there are no computer
> advances in the forseeable future.
Tom has proven you wrong. There are advances twice a year with faster
processors.
> You talk about unrealistic expactations.. yet you are by FAR the worst
> offender of putting forth unrealistic expectations. 20/2 vision
> indeed.
Its not an expectation, its a dream of what the far future may bring!
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| Ragnar 2006-07-27, 9:26 pm |
| Our president is NOT crazy.. he is just stupid and ignorant.
He will kill off stem research as will the next president McCain who
is also stupid and ignorant. McCain graduated in the bottom 98% of
his class and the only reason he wasn't expelled was because his daddy
is was a naval admiral.
Growing a retina is one thing.. interfacing it into the brain is quite
another matter. Things can be removed from the brain.. but so far
nothing has been successfully added other than tiny electrical stimuli
to block certain brain activity. I think the malcontents have a lot
of blocked brain activity.
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:37:32 +0100, "Tom Lucas"
<news@REMOVE_auto_THIS_flame_TO_REPLY.clara.co.uk> wrote:
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>"Ragnar" <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:r05gc21k9tvuq4p3avpfralcc0fj88qpq6@4ax.com...
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>In Ace's defence then he's not talking about solutions in the short
>term. If your crazy president doesn't kill off stem cell research
>entirely then I think there is hope for growing replacement retinas in
>the future, although I'm not sure they will be super bionic 20/2
>versions. However, if attitudes towards genetic modification change then
>it might not be an huge technological leap to increase the numbers of
>rods and cones while the retina is growing. We'll not see it for quite a
>while though.
>
>
>I would hotly dispute that and offer wi-fi on its own as a major
>advance. I agree that the development of the fundamental technology of
>computer processors has slowed compared to the mid 90's Pentium
>revolution but it still advances at a fair old lick and the latest 64bit
>processors have some very clever innovations. A good friend of mine is
>doing a Phd with quantum dot lasers which are set to revolutionise
>physical link communications and research on dynamic processors which
>optimise themselves intelligently is going well. Just look at current
>phones compared to 5 years ago - they weren't even colour then and WAP
>had only just been conceived.
>
>The next five years will be all about bringing the internet into all
>corners of our lives and ensuring that you are never far from a device
>with access, preferably about your person. The thrust will be towards
>having one wireless data "pipe" into your home which receives all TV,
>phone and internet and intergrating that data into devices all around
>the house.
>
>I'm already working toward that goal, which is achievable with current
>technology, by having a Digital TV reciever with a Hard-disc recorder
>which I can access wirelessly from one of a number of PCs around the
>house and watch recorded programs anywhere, including on handheld
>devices. I can also get on-line from any of those points via a wireless
>internet router which means I can have web access anywhere plus I can
>get streaming radio and TV from anywhere in the world. I also have a
>server for mp3s and stored videos so I can have music and video
>everywhere too.
>
>At the moment I still have a dedicated phone but once IP phones pick up
>in the UK then I can switch to those and be completely digital. This is
>AOL/Timewarner's goal for the next five years because I'm ahead of
>current trend and it will take time before the masses are prepared to
>embrace so much technology.
>
>
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| Tom Lucas 2006-07-28, 8:29 am |
| "Ragnar" <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:lofic29e74g3s81gg962mb93tguh1dp0jq@4ax.com...
> Our president is NOT crazy.. he is just stupid and ignorant.
I would say that is worse. At least you can fix crazy.
> He will kill off stem research as will the next president McCain who
> is also stupid and ignorant. McCain graduated in the bottom 98% of
> his class and the only reason he wasn't expelled was because his daddy
> is was a naval admiral.
Of course there were very few people in his class who graduated in the
top 2% so perhaps it was a difficult year....
Besides, Hillary Clinton will be the next President ;-)
> Growing a retina is one thing.. interfacing it into the brain is quite
> another matter. Things can be removed from the brain.. but so far
> nothing has been successfully added other than tiny electrical stimuli
> to block certain brain activity. I think the malcontents have a lot
> of blocked brain activity.
The interface will be a bit trickier but that is what the technology
must overcome. They can already reconnect livers, hearts and now faces
and the nerves seem to join up OK so a retina is a similar concept but
just a lot more complicated. Also bionic interfacing is coming together
and amputees are able to move prosthetic limbs via thoughts although it
is still quite crude.
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| Hey Tom, you are on! Did you get my emails? I sent ya another. See ya
on AIM! Also looking forward to your replies for alt.lasik
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| Tom Lucas 2006-07-28, 8:29 am |
| "Ace" <acemanvx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1154078169.404165.295950@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Hey Tom, you are on! Did you get my emails? I sent ya another. See ya
> on AIM! Also looking forward to your replies for alt.lasik
>
See reply above for AIM arrangements
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