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Lasik websites being honest about reduced glasses dependancy and lasik risks
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| http://www.njlaser.com/feye-faq1.htm
Q. Will I have perfect vision after surgery?
A. The goal of laser vision correction is to decrease your total
dependence on corrective lenses by giving you vision between 20/20 to
20/40. With this vision people generally perform their daily activities
without corrective lenses. Seventy percent of patients see 20/20, with
98.5% seeing between 20/20 to 20/40. The occasional use of corrective
lenses is anticipated for special activities. Thus while your vision is
good, it may not be 'perfect'.
Q. Is Laser Vision Correction safe?
A. All surgical procedures carry a potential risk. Laser Vision
Correction, in the hands of an experienced eye surgeon, is very low in
risk. This risk is extremely small (less than the risk associated with
extended wear contact lenses, for example). Therefore the FDA has
released its approval as 'safe and effective'. Nonetheless, all
patients should be well informed of the risks of treatment and follow
their preoperative and postoperative instructions carefully.
another website tells the truth about presbyopia and myopia keeping you
out of readers!
Do people become longsighted when they turn 40?
No. When people get into their 40's, they develop another problem with
their vision called presbyopia. This is an aging of the lens inside the
eye, which makes it difficult to focus up close. Nearly all people will
develop presbyopia at some point in their lives. Patients with
presbyopia only (no shortsightedness, longsightedness or astigmatism)
have excellent distance vision but poor close vision, and typically use
drugstore reading or cheater glasses. People who are shortsighted with
presbyopia generally need glasses for distance, and can take the
glasses off to see up close, even if they have presbyopia.
Shortsightedness allows people to get around the problem of presbyopia.
The biggest disappointments, doctors agree, come to those with inflated
expectations. While many people can achieve 20/20 or better eyesight,
it's more realistic to expect that the surgery will reduce but not
eliminate the need for glasses, says Massachusetts Eye and Ear
Infirmary's Azar. "I personally wouldn't operate on any patient who
expects to have perfect vision afterward," he says.
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| serebel 2006-07-18, 9:25 pm |
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And you KNOW that these sites are true, how?
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serebel wrote:
> And you KNOW that these sites are true, how?
They are sites put out by the lasik surgeons and company. As much as
they claim how "wonderful" lasik is, they are being honest about it
reducing dependancy on glasses. They even point out many people still
wear glasses occasionally for stuff like driving or watching movies.
They also point out if you are over 40, youll need readers unless you
ask to be undercorrected. They do exaggerate on the risks though as not
to scare people away
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| serebel 2006-07-18, 9:25 pm |
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Ace wrote:
> serebel wrote:
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> They are sites put out by the lasik surgeons and company. As much as
> they claim how "wonderful" lasik is, they are being honest about it
> reducing dependancy on glasses. They even point out many people still
> wear glasses occasionally for stuff like driving or watching movies.
> They also point out if you are over 40, youll need readers unless you
> ask to be undercorrected. They do exaggerate on the risks though as not
> to scare people away
So, they're put out by surgeons. How do you know what's true?
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serebel wrote:
> Ace wrote:
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> So, they're put out by surgeons. How do you know what's true?
because I can see for myself that many people after lasik reduce their
dependancy on glasses. Regression and residual prescriptions are very
common and those who are picky tend to get glasses for some things they
do, especially driving.
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| serebel 2006-07-18, 9:25 pm |
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Ace wrote:
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> because I can see for myself that many people after lasik reduce their
> dependancy on glasses. Regression and residual prescriptions are very
> common and those who are picky tend to get glasses for some things they
> do, especially driving.
You never leave your room. You don't know many people who have had
lasik. The internet doesn't count here. You're living a lie little one.
You are not believable at all.
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| Ragnar 2006-07-19, 4:26 pm |
| On 18 Jul 2006 17:46:43 -0700, "Ace" <acemanvx@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>serebel wrote:
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>because I can see for myself that many people after lasik reduce their
>dependancy on glasses. Regression and residual prescriptions are very
>common and those who are picky tend to get glasses for some things they
>do, especially driving.
Reduces is the wrong word. Eliminates dependency on glasses in most
casses.
Regression occurs in all cases. The surgeon uses a formula known as a
nomogram to predict the regression. Therefore, the correction
immediately following surgery is not the final correction. The
initial vision should not be as clear as the final results.
You really have no idea what you are talking about. It is not
possible for you to know what is what by reading up on the subject.
There are some very vocal lunatics out there posting under dozens of
aliases.. and there are also marketing people who are overly positive.
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| Robert Martellaro 2006-07-21, 4:28 pm |
| On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:48:35 GMT, Ragnar <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 18 Jul 2006 17:46:43 -0700, "Ace" <acemanvx@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>Reduces is the wrong word. Eliminates dependency on glasses in most
>casses.
"LASIK is a surgical procedure intended to reduce a person's dependency on
glasses or contact lenses."
http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/LASIK/default.htm
Moreover, to say otherwise, whether from doctor to patient or in advertising,
will put a cease and desist letter in your mailbox from either the FDA or the
FTC.
Robert Martellaro
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Optician/Owner
Roberts Optical
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"If a million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing."
- Anatole France
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| serebel 2006-07-21, 9:25 pm |
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Robert Martellaro wrote:
> glasses or contact lenses."
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> Moreover, to say otherwise, whether from doctor to patient or in advertising,
> will put a cease and desist letter in your mailbox from either the FDA or the
> FTC.
Lasik and other RS is intended to eliminate dependency on glasses or
contacts. That intention is met better than 95% of the time.
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| Ragnar 2006-07-21, 9:25 pm |
| Nice try Mr. Optician.
First of all.. the FDA is not god. They get more things wrong than
they get right. They are fairly toothless as far as enforcement...
Now.. as for this link you posted.. they do indeed say "reduces
dependency on glasses". That is an extremely conservative statement.
It most certainly does reduce dependency on glasses or contact
lenses... in almost all cases - it ELIMINATES the need for glasses or
contacts.
I find you to be despicable for attempting to use semantics to try and
make it sound as if LASIK is not effective. 10 milllion successful
surgeries prove you to be wrong.
By the way Bob... just how much do you pay for the frames you sell for
$350.00? I bet about $15.00
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:02:41 -0500, Robert Martellaro
<robopt@nospam.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:48:35 GMT, Ragnar <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>"LASIK is a surgical procedure intended to reduce a person's dependency on
>glasses or contact lenses."
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>http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/LASIK/default.htm
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>Moreover, to say otherwise, whether from doctor to patient or in advertising,
>will put a cease and desist letter in your mailbox from either the FDA or the
>FTC.
>Robert Martellaro
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Optician/Owner
>Roberts Optical
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>"If a million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing."
>- Anatole France
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| Robert Martellaro 2006-07-25, 4:28 pm |
| On 21 Jul 2006 16:16:22 -0700, "serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote:
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>Robert Martellaro wrote:
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> Lasik and other RS is intended to eliminate dependency on glasses or
>contacts. That intention is met better than 95% of the time.
That would be inaccurate, and that's why the FDA will not allow ophthalmologists
and RS corporations to promote unrealistic expectations.
If you are an age 25 myope, you can look forward to a fifteen year window where
a very large percentage will be comfortable without corrective eyewear. After
age 40, presbyopia brings back the need for glasses, although many folks will
find over the counter reading glasses adequate, especially if they are not
performing frequent near tasks, or are not over age 50, where higher "add for
reading" Rxs make multifocals either more convenient or necessary due to the
loss of intermediate near vision (28" to 32"). In addition, for those over age
fifty, a "hyperopic shift" (typically about +1.00D between age 50 and age 70)
usually occurs, with most folks eventually wearing glasses essentially
full-time.
http://www.optometrists.asn.au/gui/files/ceo826236.pdf)
Regards,
Robert Martellaro
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Optician/Owner
Roberts Optical
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"If a million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing."
- Anatole France
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| Ragnar 2006-07-25, 9:25 pm |
| The FDA has about as much credibility with LASIK as George Bush has
with foreign policy.
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:00:58 -0500, Robert Martellaro
<robopt@nospam.com> wrote:
>On 21 Jul 2006 16:16:22 -0700, "serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote:
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>That would be inaccurate, and that's why the FDA will not allow ophthalmologists
>and RS corporations to promote unrealistic expectations.
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>If you are an age 25 myope, you can look forward to a fifteen year window where
>a very large percentage will be comfortable without corrective eyewear. After
>age 40, presbyopia brings back the need for glasses, although many folks will
>find over the counter reading glasses adequate, especially if they are not
>performing frequent near tasks, or are not over age 50, where higher "add for
>reading" Rxs make multifocals either more convenient or necessary due to the
>loss of intermediate near vision (28" to 32"). In addition, for those over age
>fifty, a "hyperopic shift" (typically about +1.00D between age 50 and age 70)
>usually occurs, with most folks eventually wearing glasses essentially
>full-time.
>
>http://www.optometrists.asn.au/gui/files/ceo826236.pdf)
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>Regards,
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>Robert Martellaro
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Optician/Owner
>Roberts Optical
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>"If a million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing."
>- Anatole France
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| serebel 2006-07-25, 9:25 pm |
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Robert Martellaro wrote:
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> That would be inaccurate, and that's why the FDA will not allow ophthalmologists
> and RS corporations to promote unrealistic expectations.
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It is accurate. Just because docs are restrained from advertising as
such, it doesn't mean dependency on specs aren't eliminated.
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Robert Martellaro wrote:
> On 21 Jul 2006 16:16:22 -0700, "serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote:
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> That would be inaccurate, and that's why the FDA will not allow ophthalmologists
> and RS corporations to promote unrealistic expectations.
>
> If you are an age 25 myope, you can look forward to a fifteen year window where
> a very large percentage will be comfortable without corrective eyewear. After
> age 40, presbyopia brings back the need for glasses, although many folks will
> find over the counter reading glasses adequate, especially if they are not
> performing frequent near tasks, or are not over age 50, where higher "add for
> reading" Rxs make multifocals either more convenient or necessary due to the
> loss of intermediate near vision (28" to 32"). In addition, for those over age
> fifty, a "hyperopic shift" (typically about +1.00D between age 50 and age 70)
> usually occurs, with most folks eventually wearing glasses essentially
> full-time.
>
> http://www.optometrists.asn.au/gui/files/ceo826236.pdf)
>
> Regards,
>
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> Robert Martellaro
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Optician/Owner
> Roberts Optical
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "If a million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing."
> - Anatole France
Thats correct. If you are over 40, you are going to need readers right
after lasik or very soon after. Serebel is toughting it out and trying
his best without regular use of readers, but at his age of 46, its a
real strain to read. Hes gonna need to give in soon and buy a nice pair
of +2 readers. Even with monovision, dependancy on readers isnt
completely eliminated and frankly, some wear distance correction if
they want to see well in both eyes. Lasik can eliminate glasses
dependancy for some people, especially if they arent too picky and are
under 40 of age.
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| Ragnar 2006-07-26, 2:25 am |
| Oh the horrors of wearing readers...
Wait a minute.. you wear glasses all day long! How do you manage to
survive?
On 25 Jul 2006 23:41:03 -0700, "Ace" <acemanvx@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>Robert Martellaro wrote:
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>Thats correct. If you are over 40, you are going to need readers right
>after lasik or very soon after. Serebel is toughting it out and trying
>his best without regular use of readers, but at his age of 46, its a
>real strain to read. Hes gonna need to give in soon and buy a nice pair
>of +2 readers. Even with monovision, dependancy on readers isnt
>completely eliminated and frankly, some wear distance correction if
>they want to see well in both eyes. Lasik can eliminate glasses
>dependancy for some people, especially if they arent too picky and are
>under 40 of age.
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| serebel 2006-07-26, 9:28 pm |
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Ace wrote:
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> Thats correct. If you are over 40, you are going to need readers right
> after lasik or very soon after. Serebel is toughting it out and trying
> his best without regular use of readers, but at his age of 46, its a
> real strain to read. Hes gonna need to give in soon and buy a nice pair
> of +2 readers. Even with monovision, dependancy on readers isnt
> completely eliminated and frankly, some wear distance correction if
> they want to see well in both eyes. Lasik can eliminate glasses
> dependancy for some people, especially if they arent too picky and are
> under 40 of age.
This statement from the lying retard is false. There is no magic
"over 40 needs readers". No, I'm not toughing it out to read without
glasses. I DON'T NEED THEM TO READ!!!!!!!! NO EYESTRAIN AT ALL TO
READ!!!!!!
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Ragnar wrote:
> Oh the horrors of wearing readers...
> Wait a minute.. you wear glasses all day long! How do you manage to
> survive?
When one does alot of reading, they appreciate their crystal sharp near
vision. I dont need -4 diopters, -2 is enough.
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| Ragnar 2006-07-27, 9:26 pm |
| I have a hard time believing that you read books.
On 27 Jul 2006 03:39:51 -0700, "Ace" <acemanvx@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>Ragnar wrote:
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>When one does alot of reading, they appreciate their crystal sharp near
>vision. I dont need -4 diopters, -2 is enough.
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