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| serebel 2006-04-01, 12:33 am |
| LasikTragedy
Joined: 17 Mar 2006
Posts: 73
you can read about comanagement on this website:
http://www.LasikDisaster.com. its about a woman named Sandy keller and
what she experienced with comanagement.
Sandy says there's nothing about her on above website. Hmmmm........
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| serebel 2006-04-02, 12:31 am |
| The Sandy silence is deafening around here.
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| Ragnar 2006-04-02, 12:31 am |
| I have an idea why they are silent lately... and unfortunately, I am
pretty sure they will be back. However... the goon patrol has been
steadily falling apart since the sinking of the SE Titaniic... Note
that I said SE and not SS...
On 1 Apr 2006 17:14:00 -0800, "serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote:
>The Sandy silence is deafening around here.
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| serebel 2006-04-02, 12:31 am |
| It's pretty pathetic at SE, Hartzok and Berney have to keep posting
trivia just to make the BB look current. That's what happens when you
are an internet scam, eventually, the suckers stop paying.
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| serebel 2006-04-07, 1:35 am |
| Sandy is back and posting again, but why not to this subject?
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2006-04-08, 11:32 am |
| It was just pointed out to me that on LasikMemorial, another of
Keller's projects, it states under Lasik Patient Websites:
LasikDisaster.com : Sandy Keller's experience with the Lasik Industry
But of course her STORY is not on LasikDisaster.
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| sandykeller01@aol.com 2006-04-10, 1:35 am |
| Have it your way, Glenn.
Although my chronology of my lasik nightmare is no longer on
http://www.lasikdisaster.com, you say it is, so it is, even though it
isn't.
You say that the story I wrote for http://www.lasikmemorial.com is the
same, so it is, even though it isn't.
There is no point to all of this, but you say there is, so there is,
even though there isn't.
Yay! Glenn wins! Now can you move on to something else?
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2006-04-10, 1:35 am |
| On 9 Apr 2006 18:59:55 -0700, sandykeller01@aol.com wrote:
>Have it your way, Glenn.
>
>Although my chronology of my lasik nightmare is no longer on
>http://www.lasikdisaster.com, you say it is, so it is, even though it
>isn't.
Keller, this is what is stated clearly on the website. It's not what I
say.
>You say that the story I wrote for http://www.lasikmemorial.com is the
>same, so it is, even though it isn't.
I did not say it was the same. I repeated what is stated on the
website.
>There is no point to all of this, but you say there is, so there is,
>even though there isn't.
The point is, Keller, yet again you have lied. Yet again you deny it.
Yet again the absolute irrefutable evidence that you are lying is
presented. And, yet again you deny you are lying.
>Yay! Glenn wins!
I suspect that if you looked at things as what is truth and what is
not instead of who you are going to win against and how you are going
to dance sideways trying to dig yourself out of yet another lie,
issues like this would not last very long at all.
>Now can you move on to something else?
Until the next lie you perpetrate.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| Ragnar 2006-04-10, 1:35 am |
| Your twisted logic is incredible. It is sort of like someone going
before a court and saying that they are innocent based upon the theory
that their crimes were committed months ago and no crimes have been
committed in the past week. In other words.. the person would be
saying they are innocent...today.
As for Glenn moving onto something else... nobody mentions you until
you start one of your periodic tirades. Why don't you just sit on a
cork and spare us of your further crap?
If I were Glenn.. I'm not so sure I would let you off the hook so
easily though. I recall that you used to take great pleasure in
announcing whenever Glenn lost a surgeon as a client. Frankly the
fact that Glenn only has certified something like 10% of LASIK
surgeons in the U.S. is a useful thing. Virtually ALL Lasik surgeons
are board certified by the ophthalmic board (except for a local
surgeon I know of who has repeatedly failed in attaining his
certification - here's a hint..his dad is also a lasik surgeon and
used to be a coroner).
Simply put, if 99% of surgeons are certified by the Board of
Ophthalmolgy.. then that certification does nothing to assist a
patient in making a decision to distinguish one surgeon from another.
On 9 Apr 2006 18:59:55 -0700, sandykeller01@aol.com wrote:
>Have it your way, Glenn.
>
>Although my chronology of my lasik nightmare is no longer on
>http://www.lasikdisaster.com, you say it is, so it is, even though it
>isn't.
>
>You say that the story I wrote for http://www.lasikmemorial.com is the
>same, so it is, even though it isn't.
>
>There is no point to all of this, but you say there is, so there is,
>even though there isn't.
>
>Yay! Glenn wins! Now can you move on to something else?
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| Ragnar 2006-04-10, 1:35 am |
| I would further point out that Keller denied it ever existed... until
you were able to prove it by pulling up online archives. Kind of
like Nixon and his denials.. that later came back to haunt him when
the existence of the tapes was revealed. Some people think that if
the evidence is gone, the action never took place. If a tree falls
in the forest and nobody is there to hear it.. does it make a noise?
On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 03:08:35 GMT, Glenn - USAEyes.org
<glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org> wrote:
>On 9 Apr 2006 18:59:55 -0700, sandykeller01@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>Keller, this is what is stated clearly on the website. It's not what I
>say.
>
>
>I did not say it was the same. I repeated what is stated on the
>website.
>
>
>The point is, Keller, yet again you have lied. Yet again you deny it.
>Yet again the absolute irrefutable evidence that you are lying is
>presented. And, yet again you deny you are lying.
>
>
>I suspect that if you looked at things as what is truth and what is
>not instead of who you are going to win against and how you are going
>to dance sideways trying to dig yourself out of yet another lie,
>issues like this would not last very long at all.
>
>
>Until the next lie you perpetrate.
>
>Glenn Hagele
>Executive Director
>USAEyes.org
>
>"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
>
>Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
>
>http://www.USAEyes.org
>http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
>
>I am not a doctor.
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2006-04-10, 1:35 am |
| There are about 7,000 refractive surgeons nationwide. The percentage
of refractive surgeons who have sought and maintained our
certification is quite a bit less than 10%. We have never expected
more than a total of 250 doctors to participate in our onerous
evaluation process. Ours is a rather rarified group.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| sandykeller01@aol.com 2006-04-10, 11:30 am |
| It's not a lie. It's simply that you don't understand that what is
being referred to on http://www.lasikdisaster.com as "more of MY STORY"
was removed long, long ago. Just because there is a reference to it
doesn't make that the story. Call it a lie if you wish, if that makes
your day, floats your boat, or whatever, but it doesn't change
anything. You are SO not worth my time, Glenn Hagele and responding to
your stupidity is taking valuable time that I don't wish to spend
anymore.
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| sandykeller01@aol.com 2006-04-10, 11:30 am |
| It was removed, long, long ago. If I had the capability to edit the
front page of http://www.lasikdisaster.com and remove the reference to
the story, I would. Actually, I would remove all reference to myself
from the site. Unfortunately, I don't have access to it, so it hasn't
been changed.
You are citing an outdated reference. Good job.
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2006-04-10, 1:22 pm |
| Keller, you claimed I had lied because I stated your story is at
LasikDisaster. It is. You can try to redefine it any way you want, but
the story of your difficulties is published there on the home page
with your photograph and e-signature. Anyone who visits LasikDisaster
will see your story there and it even says "Read More of My Story". At
LasikMemorial, a website you helped produce, it states that your story
is at LasikDisaster. Anyone who visits LasikMemorial will see it
states your story is at LasikDisaster. That is the word used, "story".
No reasonably intelligent person will come to a conclusion other than
your story is on LasikDisaster.
So you have spent a lot of time trying to convince...well, I'm not
sure who...that what the websites you created or helped create say is
in fact is not what they say because if they say what I said they say
then you can't say I'm a liar, which is something you have already
said.
The stupidity, Keller, is lying to try to make me look bad. The
stupidity is going on and on about how you didn't lie when your own
websites show that you have. The stupidity, Keller, is that if you had
simply admitted your mistake to yourself (as if you would admit being
wrong to anyone else) and shut up, this would have been long
forgotten.
You shot yourself in the foot, Keller. Yet again. You got caught in
your own lies. Yet again. You attempted to defame me with lies. Yet
again. And you keep going on and on about it.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2006-04-10, 1:22 pm |
| >It was removed, long, long ago.
Let's see. Where you spend about seven paragraphs telling the story of
your difficulties with Lasik is removed? No, it is on the
LasikDisaster home page. Hmmm. Perhaps what was removed was where the
home page says "Read More Of My Story" with links to seven more pages
of your Lasik experiences. Nope, that is still there too. Perhaps
those links to seven more pages of your story go nowhere. Nope,
everyone works fine with more and more of your story.
>If I had the capability to edit the
>front page of http://www.lasikdisaster.com and remove the reference to
>the story, I would. Actually, I would remove all reference to myself
>from the site.
Well, now isn't that interesting. You slipped up, Keller. You have
acknowledged that the reference to your "story" is at LasikDisaster.
In fact, you would even remove it if you could.
>You are citing an outdated reference.
Yet again you acknowledge that LasikDisaster states to have your
story. And now you say that all those columns written by you about
your Lasik experience is not your story. So either LasikDisaster the
website is lying, or Keller the creator of LasikDisaster the website
is lying.
> Good job.
For quite some time I have said that your story is outdated and no
longer relevant. Finally you agree.
Keller, you called me a liar because I said your story is at
LasikDisaster - the website you created - and it is on LasikDisaster.
It is even called "My Story" and signed by you. The LasikMemorial
website, another of your projects, has a link to LasikDisaster where
it says clearly that Sandy Keller's story is located.
You lied in an attempt to make me look bad and I have proven with your
own words again and again that you lied, and yet you come here again
and again with your protestations that simply provide me the
opportunity to show yet again how you have lied about me in yet
another attempt to defame me.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2006-04-11, 1:24 am |
| So your story is not your story if I say it is your story but if the
websites you created say it is your story it is your story as long as
I do not reference where the websites you created say it is your story
as empirical evidence that your story is on the websites. Keller
logic.
In other words, Sandy Keller must absolutely always be right no matter
what evidence is presented that she is wrong. Or is it just that you
think I must be wrong no matter how right I may be?
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| Ragnar 2006-04-11, 11:35 am |
| How many of those 7000 perform lasik though?
On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:34:26 GMT, Glenn - USAEyes.org
<glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org> wrote:
>There are about 7,000 refractive surgeons nationwide. The percentage
>of refractive surgeons who have sought and maintained our
>certification is quite a bit less than 10%. We have never expected
>more than a total of 250 doctors to participate in our onerous
>evaluation process. Ours is a rather rarified group.
>
>Glenn Hagele
>Executive Director
>USAEyes.org
>
>"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
>
>Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
>
>http://www.USAEyes.org
>http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
>
>I am not a doctor.
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| Ragnar 2006-04-11, 11:35 am |
| On 10 Apr 2006 00:28:43 -0700, sandykeller01@aol.com wrote:
>It's not a lie. It's simply that you don't understand that what is
>being referred to on http://www.lasikdisaster.com as "more of MY STORY"
>was removed long, long ago. Just because there is a reference to it
>doesn't make that the story. Call it a lie if you wish, if that makes
>your day, floats your boat, or whatever, but it doesn't change
>anything. You are SO not worth my time, Glenn Hagele and responding to
>your stupidity is taking valuable time that I don't wish to spend
>anymore.
Sigh..If only it were true that you would not spend your "valuable
time" posting further garbage.
Alas, that is yet another lie.. you will post til the day you meet
Beezlebub.
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| Ragnar 2006-04-11, 11:35 am |
| On 10 Apr 2006 00:53:10 -0700, sandykeller01@aol.com wrote:
>It was removed, long, long ago. If I had the capability to edit the
>front page of http://www.lasikdisaster.com and remove the reference to
>the story, I would. Actually, I would remove all reference to myself
>from the site. Unfortunately, I don't have access to it, so it hasn't
>been changed.
>
>You are citing an outdated reference. Good job.
Oh brother... and I suppose you asked Paula Cofer to do that and she
refused? Who do you think you are kidding?
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2006-04-11, 1:27 pm |
| This is the number of surgeons who have completed the training
required by excimer laser manufacturers to perform Lasik.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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