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A message to the malcontent idiots...
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| Ragnar 2006-02-25, 9:54 pm |
| When someone has an eye problem... do you ever see any of the
malcontents offer a treatment or solution? NEVER. All they want to
hear about is problems and suffering and to carry on about how their
aunt Betty in Baltimore has the same problem.
Here is a problem I had and a solution. My eyes, have been stinging
and watery for two weeks nonstop. Last week it was so bad I could
barely see out of one eye. LASIK had absolutely nothing to do with
that problem. There is a high pollen count in the air and it was an
allergic reaction. I bought OTC Alcon Naphcon A Eye Allergy Relief
and that cleared up the stinging and watery eyes in under 5 seconds. I
haven't seen so clearly in months. Things like visine or clear eyes
are only for redness and some lubrication. Naphcon A is for allergy
relief.
We now return you to your malcontent soap opera.. already in progress.
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| I've heard of people having itchy watery eyes due to allergies but never
have I heard of someone who could barely see as a result. This is because
you have a thin cornea from LASIK, and when you have inflammation you're
more
likely to have corneal swelling and poor vision. Sorry about your condition
Wait till you get older...
"Ragnar" <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> When someone has an eye problem... do you ever see any of the
> malcontents offer a treatment or solution? NEVER. All they want to
> hear about is problems and suffering and to carry on about how their
> aunt Betty in Baltimore has the same problem.
>
> Here is a problem I had and a solution. My eyes, have been stinging
> and watery for two weeks nonstop. Last week it was so bad I could
> barely see out of one eye. LASIK had absolutely nothing to do with
> that problem. There is a high pollen count in the air and it was an
> allergic reaction. I bought OTC Alcon Naphcon A Eye Allergy Relief
> and that cleared up the stinging and watery eyes in under 5 seconds. I
> haven't seen so clearly in months. Things like visine or clear eyes
> are only for redness and some lubrication. Naphcon A is for allergy
> relief.
>
> We now return you to your malcontent soap opera.. already in progress.
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2006-02-25, 9:55 pm |
| On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:59:50 -0500, "Wendy" <Wendy@nospam_ aol.com>
wrote:
>I've heard of people having itchy watery eyes due to allergies but never
>have I heard of someone who could barely see as a result. This is because
>you have a thin cornea from LASIK, and when you have inflammation you're
>more
>likely to have corneal swelling and poor vision. Sorry about your condition
That is an interesting supposition. From what study did you get this
information?
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| serebel 2006-02-25, 9:55 pm |
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Wendy wrote:
> I've heard of people having itchy watery eyes due to allergies but never
> have I heard of someone who could barely see as a result. This is because
> you have a thin cornea from LASIK, and when you have inflammation you're
> more
> likely to have corneal swelling and poor vision. Sorry about your condition
>
> Wait till you get older...
Thank you for your waste of a response as usual Wendy. Yup, not one
helpful word in yor post. You friggin' morons deserve what you have
gotten.
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| Ragnar 2006-02-25, 9:55 pm |
| You are obviously ignorant then.
The corneas have nothing to do with swelling. It was the kind of
problem I was having with the contact lenses, only this time it was
triggered by pollen.
Life just isn't negative enough for you is it?
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:59:50 -0500, "Wendy" <Wendy@nospam_ aol.com>
wrote:
>I've heard of people having itchy watery eyes due to allergies but never
>have I heard of someone who could barely see as a result. This is because
>you have a thin cornea from LASIK, and when you have inflammation you're
>more
>likely to have corneal swelling and poor vision. Sorry about your condition
>
>Wait till you get older...
>
>
>"Ragnar" <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2006-02-25, 9:55 pm |
| Rags, let's give her the benefit of the doubt and just ask for the
source of the supposition that a thinner cornea causes a greater
likelihood of inflammation. There may be some truth to what is being
said. If she can't come up with something more than her opinion, then
we know that this is a less than reliable source of information.
But first, give "Wendy" the opportunity to substantiate her assertion.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| Got it from a doctor who observed it in his practice....
"Glenn - USAEyes.org" <glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:59:50 -0500, "Wendy" <Wendy@nospam_ aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> That is an interesting supposition. From what study did you get this
> information?
>
> Glenn Hagele
> Executive Director
> USAEyes.org
>
> "Consider and Choose With Confidence"
>
> Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
>
> http://www.USAEyes.org
> http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
>
> I am not a doctor.
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| Who would deserve to have their vision ruined for life by a refractive
surgeon?
"serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Wendy wrote:
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> Thank you for your waste of a response as usual Wendy. Yup, not one
> helpful word in yor post. You friggin' morons deserve what you have
> gotten.
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| Contact lenses can cause corneal swelling, too.
"Ragnar" <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> You are obviously ignorant then.
> The corneas have nothing to do with swelling. It was the kind of
> problem I was having with the contact lenses, only this time it was
> triggered by pollen.
>
> Life just isn't negative enough for you is it?
>
> On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:59:50 -0500, "Wendy" <Wendy@nospam_ aol.com>
> wrote:
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| serebel 2006-02-25, 9:55 pm |
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Wendy wrote:
> Who would deserve to have their vision ruined for life by a refractive
> surgeon?
>
>
Whiners like you Wendy who add nothing but gloom and doom to every
aspect of life. You help nothing with your blanket condemnations.
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2006-02-25, 9:55 pm |
| On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:26:16 -0500, "Wendy" <Wendy@nospam_ aol.com>
wrote:
>Got it from a doctor who observed it in his practice....
Case study anecdotal information is always good to know as an
indication of what can happen, but without a study with several
patients and a control group, this is not much more than speculation.
It may, however, be speculation that could lead to a study that could
lead to an affirmation of its validity...or lack of validity.
Perhaps you could suggest to the doctor who stated this to you that it
could be a valuable study.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2006-02-25, 9:55 pm |
| On 25 Feb 2006 17:09:03 -0800, "serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote:
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>Wendy wrote:
>
> Whiners like you Wendy who add nothing but gloom and doom to every
>aspect of life. You help nothing with your blanket condemnations.
Ah, Come'on SERebel. Even jerks (not saying you are "Wendy", just in
general) don't deserve vision screwed up by an elective surgery. And
if you want to be a bit selfish about it: even jerks don't deserve
vision screwed up so you won't need to hear about it all the time.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| serebel 2006-02-25, 9:55 pm |
| Since they are doing nothing to help themselves or others, just posting
lie after lie. Yup, they deserve what they get.
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| Ragnar 2006-02-25, 9:55 pm |
| Let's not.
Wendy has no credibility. She has proven herself to be a misleading
nutcase. What she said is nonsense. I'm surprised that you would
even consider the idea that a thinner cornea is susceptible to
inflammation. There is no reason to make that assumption. That idea
began and hopefully ended inside the twisted mind of Wendy. That kind
of theory has all the logical weight of someone saying that wearing
braces on their teeth causes their nose hair to fall out.
You really shouldn't give every idiot with a wild theory the benefit
of the doubt.
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:43:53 GMT, Glenn - USAEyes.org
<glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org> wrote:
>Rags, let's give her the benefit of the doubt and just ask for the
>source of the supposition that a thinner cornea causes a greater
>likelihood of inflammation. There may be some truth to what is being
>said. If she can't come up with something more than her opinion, then
>we know that this is a less than reliable source of information.
>
>But first, give "Wendy" the opportunity to substantiate her assertion.
>
>Glenn Hagele
>Executive Director
>USAEyes.org
>
>"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
>
>Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
>
>http://www.USAEyes.org
>http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
>
>I am not a doctor.
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| Ragnar 2006-02-25, 9:55 pm |
| Give me the doctor's phone number so I can give him an education.
I have no problem educating doctors. They often don't have an expert
knowlege of specific things, but rather a general knowlege of many
things.
Your doctor was wrong.
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:26:16 -0500, "Wendy" <Wendy@nospam_ aol.com>
wrote:
>Got it from a doctor who observed it in his practice....
>
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| Ragnar 2006-02-25, 9:55 pm |
| On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:27:09 -0500, "Wendy" <Wendy@nospam_ aol.com>
wrote:
>Who would deserve to have their vision ruined for life by a refractive
>surgeon?
You.
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| Ragnar 2006-02-25, 9:55 pm |
| No kidding! This is the first thing you have ever gotten right. I
will mark the event on my calendar.
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:27:35 -0500, "Wendy" <Wendy@nospam_ aol.com>
wrote:
>Contact lenses can cause corneal swelling, too.
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| Ragnar 2006-02-26, 1:04 am |
| "I heard that most people who have LASIK done are expected to die
withing the next 60 years... When will the killing stop? Shouldn't
there be a moratorium? " This is the kind of garbage that Wendy
posts.
On 25 Feb 2006 17:09:03 -0800, "serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote:
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>Wendy wrote:
>
> Whiners like you Wendy who add nothing but gloom and doom to every
>aspect of life. You help nothing with your blanket condemnations.
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| Ragnar 2006-02-26, 1:04 am |
| On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:25:00 GMT, Glenn - USAEyes.org
<glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org> wrote:
>On 25 Feb 2006 17:09:03 -0800, "serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote:
>
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>Ah, Come'on SERebel. Even jerks (not saying you are "Wendy", just in
>general) don't deserve vision screwed up by an elective surgery. And
>if you want to be a bit selfish about it: even jerks don't deserve
>vision screwed up so you won't need to hear about it all the time.
They don't? well.. their vision would be worse if they never had
LASIK done.. so I wish they never had it.
>
>Glenn Hagele
>Executive Director
>USAEyes.org
>
>"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
>
>Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
>
>http://www.USAEyes.org
>http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
>
>I am not a doctor.
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| Ragnar 2006-02-26, 1:04 am |
| Actually.. assming that problems are the result of something they
aren't makes it impossible to fix the real problem.
For instance, If I had assumed that my recent eye problems were due to
LASIK, I would still be suffering. The problem was actually due to an
allergic reaction to the heavy levels of pollen in the air.
Those lies are hurnig the people posting them and the people who are
naive enough to believe them.
On 25 Feb 2006 18:44:14 -0800, "serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote:
>Since they are doing nothing to help themselves or others, just posting
>lie after lie. Yup, they deserve what they get.
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2006-02-26, 1:04 am |
| "Wendy" has responded that she got this information from a physician.
I've heard stranger things come from physicians. What she did not
state was that there is a study or even case report that backs up this
idea. IMO, it is speculation that does not currently have anything
objective to back it up. That does not automatically mean it does not
have value.
I hear things like this all the time, and not from patients. Doctors,
researchers, and engineers are constantly speculating. Following
through on those speculations is how new technologies and techniques
are developed.
To state that a speculation is fact without something objective to
back it up is not wise and can be downright dangerous. This is true if
the speculator is a doctor or a patient who heard it from a doctor.
"Wendy" was forthcoming when questioned. We now know that the idea
that thinner corneas are more prone to inflammation is not
substantiated, but it is a concept that will be interesting to watch.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| Ragnar 2006-02-26, 10:58 am |
| The physician said she had a 5 on the Schirmer (which is normal)
Wendy is the one that came to the conclusion that a 5 indicates dry
eyes.
As I recall, further testing for dry eyes is not done unless the
Shirmer test is below 3. Below 3 doesn't mean there are dry eyes..
it means there could be. Above 3 means there is no reason to even
test for dry eyes.
A Schirmer test is very simple and unscientific. It amounds to
putting a piece of paper on one's lower eyelid and waiting 5 minutes
to see how much of the paper strip is saturated by tears.
Schirmer tests are usaually done to see if punctal plugs might benefit
a patient.
If a patient comes in asking about dryness.. and the eye doctor can do
a 5 minute procedure that costs $300 (punctal plugs).. one might
assume that the doctor would say something to influence the patient's
decision to get plugs.
Incidentally, when I went to LVI, they did a VERY high pressure sales
pitch on all the patents without even doing a Schirmer's test
beforehand. They wanted $350 as I recall.
The surgeon I had my LASIK with gave me two punctal plugs for free.
On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:50:29 GMT, Glenn - USAEyes.org
<glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org> wrote:
>"Wendy" has responded that she got this information from a physician.
>I've heard stranger things come from physicians. What she did not
>state was that there is a study or even case report that backs up this
>idea. IMO, it is speculation that does not currently have anything
>objective to back it up. That does not automatically mean it does not
>have value.
>
>I hear things like this all the time, and not from patients. Doctors,
>researchers, and engineers are constantly speculating. Following
>through on those speculations is how new technologies and techniques
>are developed.
>
>To state that a speculation is fact without something objective to
>back it up is not wise and can be downright dangerous. This is true if
>the speculator is a doctor or a patient who heard it from a doctor.
>
>"Wendy" was forthcoming when questioned. We now know that the idea
>that thinner corneas are more prone to inflammation is not
>substantiated, but it is a concept that will be interesting to watch.
>
>Glenn Hagele
>Executive Director
>USAEyes.org
>
>"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
>
>Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
>
>http://www.USAEyes.org
>http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
>
>I am not a doctor.
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2006-02-26, 12:56 pm |
| If dry eyes are caused by inadequate aqueous (watery) tear layer, then
punctal plugs may be the appropriate answer. If the dry eyes are
caused by inadequate lipid layer, punctal plugs may actually make
things worse. If the dry eyes are caused by inadequate mucin layer,
punctal plugs may have only a limited effect.
Punctal plugs are a viable option for the resolution of dry eyes
whether they be Lasik induced or naturally occurring, but not in every
circumstance.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| In article <qik302t3gepola20971j8jb7st6bd4r7l0@4ax.com>,
Ragnar <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Incidentally, when I went to LVI, they did a VERY high pressure sales
> pitch on all the patents without even doing a Schirmer's test
> beforehand. They wanted $350 as I recall.
> The surgeon I had my LASIK with gave me two punctal plugs for free.
My surgeon put in temporary plugs during the procedure. It was included
in the price as they give them to everybody prophylactically. I didn't
know he was going to do that. I had to ask the next day what he had done
because when he told me at the time when he was putting them in, I was
so high on valium that I would have said "Yes, okay" to anything. I
couldn't feel them at all.
--
~RT
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| Ragnar 2006-02-27, 11:02 am |
| Putting in plugs for LASIK is certainly not ncessary, however, it is a
good idea to ensure that the healing will go well.
Another good reason for plugs following surgery is to keep the
eyedrops from being drained away. Many Rx eyedrips come out to a cost
of $1.50 per drop!!!! Instead of that drop only being on the
surface a few seconds, it might have a few minutes to have an effect
when plugs are worn.
Most people think the tear ducts (puncta) are where tears come out of
when they are in fact drains.
On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:49:31 GMT, RT <RTMD24@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <qik302t3gepola20971j8jb7st6bd4r7l0@4ax.com>,
> Ragnar <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>My surgeon put in temporary plugs during the procedure. It was included
>in the price as they give them to everybody prophylactically. I didn't
>know he was going to do that. I had to ask the next day what he had done
>because when he told me at the time when he was putting them in, I was
>so high on valium that I would have said "Yes, okay" to anything. I
>couldn't feel them at all.
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