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27 Yr Old Doctor in Korea commits sucide after failed Lasik
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| Thats sad indeed. Some have such bad experiences their depression comes
out and they dont feel like living.
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| "Lasik is the rage in Korea these days"
Seeing a high percentage and millions myopic, many turn to lasik. We
need to find preventive measures to the myopia epidemic. More and more
people are becomming myopic nowdays than in the past. If you are
already myopic, theres eye exercises to reduce your myopia. Me and mom
have successfully done it and are still reducing more myopia. My
brother prevented his myopia to a large extent all together.
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| serebel 2006-02-25, 9:51 pm |
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Trulytelling@yahoo.com wrote:
> http://www.lasermyeye.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1113
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> 27 Yr Old Doctor in Korea commits sucide after failed Lasik
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> Lasik is the rage in Korea these days, with plenty of their people
> boasting about the supposed first rate opthamology of Korea. This
> particular woman doctor had trouble with severe dry eyes and double
> vision. If you can by any chance read Korean go to the following sites
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> http://www.chosun.com/national/news...0602010302.html
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> http://kjdaily.com/read.php3?no=530...%82%AC%ED%9A%8C
Another suicide caused by lasik again. Bull !! This person had lots of
other issues going on to blame lasik. But of course the nut fringe see
it only as a lasik fatality.
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| Its true that person may have been suffering depression prior to lasik,
but the bad experience put him/her over the edge.
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| serebel 2006-02-25, 9:51 pm |
| Still can't blame lasik as cause. Only others here who never even met
this person will lay blame to fit their agendas.
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| There may have been many causes for her suicide, no one here is sure.
One thing that we know is those with bad lasik outcomes get depressed
and mull over it. Youd be like that too if your lasik went bad
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| Ragnar 2006-02-25, 9:51 pm |
| Three completely useless links.
Assuming that story is true, thank god that doctor committed suicide.
Any doctor who would commit suicide is obviously a severe danger to
patients.
This story is very fishy. We have had one other suicide case on this
newsgroup... and the suicide in that case was a doctor also. Could
be the same case? The suicide discussed here was due to the person
being suicidal before they ever had the surgery, and some idiot scared
the person into thinking there vision was hopeless so they could sell
them some contact lenses.
One lesson we can learn is that there are consequences to scaring the
hell out of someone.
I see that lasermyeye site pulled the article off its website. very
suspicious.
On 5 Feb 2006 14:18:28 -0800, Trulytelling@yahoo.com wrote:
>http://www.lasermyeye.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1113
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>27 Yr Old Doctor in Korea commits sucide after failed Lasik
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>Lasik is the rage in Korea these days, with plenty of their people
>boasting about the supposed first rate opthamology of Korea. This
>particular woman doctor had trouble with severe dry eyes and double
>vision. If you can by any chance read Korean go to the following sites
>to confirm:
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>http://www.chosun.com/national/news...0602010302.html
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>http://kjdaily.com/read.php3?no=530...%82%AC%ED%9A%8C
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| Ragnar 2006-02-25, 9:51 pm |
| What is sad is that someone would blame LASIK for a suicide. There's
plenty of blind, deaf, ugly, retarded, cancer stricken, crippled
people around. I suppose they should all commit suicide?
It's a good thing that doctor cashed in before hurting someone else.
On 5 Feb 2006 14:57:09 -0800, "Ace" <acemanvx@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Thats sad indeed. Some have such bad experiences their depression comes
>out and they dont feel like living.
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| Seems valid.. I had a friend do her own search and found similar
article... dated Feb. 2, 2006. Though I don't think LASIK is to
blame... most likely the doctor had some depressino and LASIK tip'd
the scale...
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| Ragnar 2006-02-25, 9:51 pm |
| Even if someone was completely blinded.. that is not a rational reason
for committing suicide.
The witch has been posting for years on her website - (or rather the
website created for her by girlfriend of the lunatic that tried to
make a career out of scaring people into being "rehabilitated") that
vision problems are a cause of suicide. The idea of that is
irresponsible and outrageous.
On 8 Feb 2006 14:16:36 -0800, "Ooga" <misterooga@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>Seems valid.. I had a friend do her own search and found similar
>article... dated Feb. 2, 2006. Though I don't think LASIK is to
>blame... most likely the doctor had some depressino and LASIK tip'd
>the scale...
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| ivanator2006 2006-02-26, 6:00 pm |
| First of all, it is not a good thing that the doctor committed suicide.
That is a completely immature and ignorant thing to say. Doctors have
one of the highest suicide rates out of any specialty. Maybe it is
because it is one of the most stressful jobs. It has been stated that
male doctors commit suicide at 2 times the rate of the general
population and female doctors commit suicide at the rate of 4 times
that of the general population. It has nothing to do with the way they
treat patients. Read about Dr. Johnathan Drummond-Webb. He was the best
heart surgeon in the United States, maybe even in the world. He
committed suicide in December of 2004 by taking an overdose. I had a
good friend who was a top doctor and committed suicide. So please,
don't make comments on subjects you don't know that much about.
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| In article <1140993584.412161.262050@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"ivanator2006" <ivanperan27787@yahoo.com> wrote:
> So please, don't make comments on subjects you don't know that much about.
Not knowing much about a subject has never stopped anyone from
commenting before, why should it now?
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~RT
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| serebel 2006-02-27, 1:00 am |
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ivanator2006 wrote:
> First of all, it is not a good thing that the doctor committed suicide.
> That is a completely immature and ignorant thing to say. Doctors have
> one of the highest suicide rates out of any specialty. Maybe it is
> because it is one of the most stressful jobs. It has been stated that
> male doctors commit suicide at 2 times the rate of the general
> population and female doctors commit suicide at the rate of 4 times
> that of the general population. It has nothing to do with the way they
> treat patients. Read about Dr. Johnathan Drummond-Webb. He was the best
> heart surgeon in the United States, maybe even in the world. He
> committed suicide in December of 2004 by taking an overdose. I had a
> good friend who was a top doctor and committed suicide. So please,
> don't make comments on subjects you don't know that much about.
Oh get off your high horse. People commit suicide out of all fields.
It happens. Nothing to kill yourself over.
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| Ragnar 2006-02-27, 11:02 am |
| Not long ago, I pointed out that the typical suicide rate is something
like 2%.
That would mean that out of all the patients that had LASIK done, one
would expect statistically that 100,000 of them would commit suicide.
Frankly I am amazed that the malcontents can't dredge up more cases of
LASK patients who commit suicide.
I would argue that if anything... LASIK has PREVENTED suicides by
drastically improving the vision of millions of people.
On 26 Feb 2006 14:39:44 -0800, "ivanator2006"
<ivanperan27787@yahoo.com> wrote:
>First of all, it is not a good thing that the doctor committed suicide.
>That is a completely immature and ignorant thing to say. Doctors have
>one of the highest suicide rates out of any specialty. Maybe it is
>because it is one of the most stressful jobs. It has been stated that
>male doctors commit suicide at 2 times the rate of the general
>population and female doctors commit suicide at the rate of 4 times
>that of the general population. It has nothing to do with the way they
>treat patients. Read about Dr. Johnathan Drummond-Webb. He was the best
>heart surgeon in the United States, maybe even in the world. He
>committed suicide in December of 2004 by taking an overdose. I had a
>good friend who was a top doctor and committed suicide. So please,
>don't make comments on subjects you don't know that much about.
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2006-02-27, 11:02 am |
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According to the US Centers for Disease Control's National Center for
Injury Prevention and Control, 30,622 people took their lives in 2001.
In 2002, 132,353 were hospitalized for attempted suicide.
According to the National Institute of Mental Health, suicide was the
cause of 1.2% of all deaths and was the 11th leading cause of death in
2000 and was the third leading cause of death in young adults.
So your numbers are off, Ragnar. It is not that about 2% of the
population dies by suicide, it is that 1.2% of those who die, die by
suicide.
With just under 300 million in the US, this extrapolates out to about
..00001% of the general population.
Sorry, I don't have numbers for Korea.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| Ragnar 2006-02-27, 11:02 am |
| Yes.. but the United States is not the whole world. The suicide in
question was in Korea.
Check this website -
http://www.aneki.com/suicide.html
It shows that Lithuania has a suicide rate of 42 per 100k per year.
Lithuania is not much of a country though.. so lets consider Russia.
Russia has a suicide rate of 37.4 per 100k. Assuming an 80 year life
span, that would mean that 3% of the citizens of Russia commit
suicide.
Lithuania is 3.4% I don't have U.S. numbers.
Also keep in mind that many suicides are not officially listed as
being suicides due to religious reasons or the wishes of the family.
My point is.. that at 2%, one would expect about 100,000 LASIK
patients would commit suicide.
I still maintain that if anything, LASIK improves the quality of life
for millions of people thereby reducing suicides.
I need Keller's address so I can have a copy of Dr. Kevorkian's book
drop shipped to her. Apparently the copy that was in the library was
checked out but never returned.
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:39:19 GMT, Glenn - USAEyes.org
<glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org> wrote:
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>According to the US Centers for Disease Control's National Center for
>Injury Prevention and Control, 30,622 people took their lives in 2001.
>In 2002, 132,353 were hospitalized for attempted suicide.
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>According to the National Institute of Mental Health, suicide was the
>cause of 1.2% of all deaths and was the 11th leading cause of death in
>2000 and was the third leading cause of death in young adults.
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>So your numbers are off, Ragnar. It is not that about 2% of the
>population dies by suicide, it is that 1.2% of those who die, die by
>suicide.
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>With just under 300 million in the US, this extrapolates out to about
>.00001% of the general population.
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>Sorry, I don't have numbers for Korea.
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>Glenn Hagele
>Executive Director
>USAEyes.org
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>"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
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>Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
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>http://www.USAEyes.org
>http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
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>I am not a doctor.
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2006-02-27, 11:02 am |
| On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:38:27 GMT, Ragnar <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>.. so lets consider Russia.
>Russia has a suicide rate of 37.4 per 100k. Assuming an 80 year life
>span, that would mean that 3% of the citizens of Russia commit
>suicide.
Actually, the life expectancy of a Russian male is about 52 years, and
37.4 per 100k is a rate of .0374%. Those decimals get 'ya every time.
I don't know that highly developed South Korea would be appropriately
compared to Russia where healthcare is often limited or poor, food is
often less than healthy, poverty is widespread (average monthly income
outside of the major cities is around 50 USD) and alcoholism is
rampant.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| Ragnar 2006-02-28, 11:01 am |
| I have had enough of The Calculus and won enough mathematics
competitions to know how to calculate percentages.. thank you very
much.
Assuming 37.4 suicides per 100,000 people per year and a person lives
65.8 years (the true life expectancy in russia) then
37.4suicides * 65.8 years = 2461 suicides per 100,000 people
or
2.461 suicises per 100 people
or
2.46% of the population commits suicide.
What you forgot to do is multiply by the number of years a person
lives. If one yas an .0374% rate of dying in one year.. and they
live 65.8 years.. then .0374%per year * 65.8 years = 2.46% in a
lifetime
BTW.. the lifespan of a russian male has been declining and is 59..
the lifespan of the women is 70. The total averages out to be 65.8
Thanks a lot for obfuscating the fact that based upon suicide
statistics, one would expect that 100,000 people that had LASIK done
would commit suicide whether or not they had LASIK. I think it is
incredible that we don't hear of more suicides. I've only hear of
two.. both doctors.. and at least one was given misinformation by a
malcontent to make it sound like their situation was hopeless.
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:27:45 GMT, Glenn - USAEyes.org
<glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org> wrote:
>On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:38:27 GMT, Ragnar <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
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>Actually, the life expectancy of a Russian male is about 52 years, and
>37.4 per 100k is a rate of .0374%. Those decimals get 'ya every time.
>I don't know that highly developed South Korea would be appropriately
>compared to Russia where healthcare is often limited or poor, food is
>often less than healthy, poverty is widespread (average monthly income
>outside of the major cities is around 50 USD) and alcoholism is
>rampant.
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>Glenn Hagele
>Executive Director
>USAEyes.org
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>"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
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>Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
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>http://www.USAEyes.org
>http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
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>I am not a doctor.
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2006-02-28, 5:58 pm |
| Ahhhhhh. You calculated much farther than I.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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