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Ace wrote:
> "I have that natural clear vision, via lasik. It's all done now, no
> lenses, chemicals, carrying cases, watching the "lens clock",
> forgetting to bring your stuff when traveling. What a horrible life
> now."
>
>
> I am glad to hear you are one of those guys who got a good outcome from
> lasik.You beat the odds and won the reward of clear, hassle free
> vision.
I have to correct you on this point. He and I did not "beat the odds".
The odds were always clearly in our favour.
Me and many, many people however arent willing to gamble their
> clear glasses or contact lense vision for what may or may not be clear
> lasik vision. With glasses and contacts you are guaranteed clear
> vision. Lasik usually gives vision worse than glasses/contacts
> sometimes much, much worse.
Not in my case. Nor in the case of my brother.
>
> You stand correct that its convinent not to need to depend on lenses
> for the time being. Ok so you save 5 minutes of your life a day not
> cleaning your glasses or contact lenses. You must be a really busy man.
> When I travel all I have to do is bring my glasses. When I get orthoK
> ill bring my lenses with me if the vacation lasts more than 3 days. I
> will only have to wear the lenses at night and when I wake up ill leave
> them in the hotel and im free all day with natural vision.
>
> Dont hold your breath, the long term risks of lasik bites some people.
Where is your proof? Lasik has been around for a long time now and
there isn't any statistical proof of your claim.
> Many people regress after a number of years then they are back in
> glasses/contacts or pony up another $5000 for more lasik and take
> another risk. I know some people who developed dry eyes several years
> after lasik.
I would like you to provide proof that people develop dry eye several
years after Lasik.
Others eyes are still changing and their vision goes
> downhill. Some have proposed that most lasik people experience a myopic
> shift years after they get lasik. With RK it was a hyperopic shift that
> struck nearly 50% of people. Guess what, they are back in bifocals full
> time and cant see from far nor near where if they left things alone,
> they wouldnt even need reading glasses! I do wish the best for you and
> hope your lasik surgury holds up 
M
>
>
> "You're wrong. My contrast sensitivity increased and like that poster
> said the other week: it's like I now see in HD. I have 40 years of
> reference."
>
>
> Lasik never increases quality of vision. As "Eye" put it, the challenge
> is find a SINGLE case where someone with normal virgin eyes experienced
> an actual improvement in quality of vision. It would be big news indeed
> when that happens. Maybe in 10 years a select few people will actually
> improve quality of vision. Others say lasik will never ever be able to
> improve quality of vision due to the nature of the surgury. People may
> think they see better but if we test them before lasik and after, they
> will score worse despite what they think and all laser surgury induces
> more high order aberrations which is responsable for a universal
> decrease in quality and sometimes also a loss of accuracy of vision. I
> know many people who lost one, two or more lines of best corrected
> vision. One story was shared by this 23 year college woman I talked to.
You seem to speak to a lot of people experiencing difficulties with
Lasik. I find this hard to believe.
> She tells everyone not to get lasik and told me never, never get lasik
> or ill ruin my eyes like she did. She used to wear contacts but
> developed an intolerance to them so she got lasik and now has crappy
> night vision, dry eyes and ghosting and can no longer see 20/20. She
> wishes she could go back to glasses and get clear vision.
I also had an intolerance to contact lenses and consider the fact that
I was able to have Lasik as a godsend.
>
>
> "I guess that not only did you not
> know you needed glasses"
>
> Everyone doesnt realize they need glasses till they find out they do. I
> was 12 when this happened. Its normal.
>
>
> "you still don't know you need to wear the
> proper rx"
>
> My ophthamologist said theres no such thing as a proper RX, only what
> you feel is right. He says the eye exams people get just give an
> estimate of what power you need but many people do better with a
> somewhat lower pescription. I was told I am -5.5 and -5 and have
> glasses in that power but I cant see a thing from near with those
> glasses and it gives me eyestrain. I have an appointment for an eye
> exam tomorrow morning and I bet those numbers are too strong for me now
> because ive done vision improvement.
I was -6.5 in each eye and suffered the most horrendous headaches on a
regular basis. I also suffered with chronic GPC and although it's
treatable, I had to use drops constantly. Since Lasik 2 1/2 years ago,
I do not have the inconvenience of glasses, contacts or drops. In fact
I have not used drops of any sort including moisturising drops for well
over a year. I do not even suffer hayfever as badly since having Lasik.
My eyes used to be so badly affected by hayfever and GPC in the
Spring/Summer months.
>
>
> "in fact, it seems like you don't
> know jack."
>
> If you want to know something, just ask me ;)
>
>
> "there will always be people with any elective procedure who
> were left with complications."
Absolutely! Just not as many as you are making out.
>
> Thats why its elective.
>
>
> ". Do you "know" any of these people the way
> you "know" so many people who've had LASIK problems"
>
>
> I know thousands of people with lasik problems and countless thousands
> more have complications.
?????????????????????????????????????????????????Thousands!
With orthoK I know maybe 2 people with
> complications and only 50 complications have been recorded with orthoK.
> This makes orthoK like 500 times safer than lasik. Good enough for me.
>
>
> "I can't wait to hear your glowing reports. Meanwhile, I won't be
> putting
> in lenses, buying new lenses, buying cleaning solution, traveling with
> cleaning solution, lenses and glasses, coming home before 6 pm when my
> "sight" wears off, peeling lenses off my eyes in the morning, having
> bruised corneas, corneal ulcers, treating eye infections, buying
> several
> pairs of glasses to make up for my distorted corneas as their shape
> gradually returns to its natural shape throughout the day. I will wake
> up every morning and go to bed every night without thinking about my
> eyes. Exactly what I wanted."
>
>
> Youll hear my glowing reports all right. You make contact lenses sound
> like such hard business but its very, very simple in reality. I pop in
> the orthoK lenses at night, sleep right thru them where time flies by
> and wake up, blink a few times, pop the lenses out into the cleaning
> solution and let them disinfect all day and come night, I insert the
> lenses, rinse and repeat. Its as simple and routine as washing your
> face or brushing your hair. I also will wake up without thinking about
> my eyes except the few seconds it takes to pop my lenses out. orthoK
> couldnt be any simplier without the risks of lasik
>
>
> "You sure have changed your tune. Which malcontent freak are you that
> was pretending to be rational for awhile?"
>
>
> I became rational by listening to sad stories told by malcontents.
> However im not really a malcontent, just a realistist. I dont think
> laser surgury should be banned like the malcontents wish and I even
> think a select few people might stand to benefit taking the laser
> surgury risk. What the problem is theres way too much hype and poor
> candidates getting lasik when they never should. I also believe in
> everyone should be 100% informed but the problem is most are poorly
> informed and kinda rush into surgury oblivious of the very real and
> common risks.
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