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| Paul Costa 2005-09-26, 5:23 pm |
| I made the decision to undergo LASIK surgery. Opted for monovision and
wavefront as I'm 51.
Paul C.
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| In article <ptcosta1-A64513.12342426092005@news.west.earthlink.net>,
Paul Costa <ptcosta1@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I made the decision to undergo LASIK surgery. Opted for monovision and
> wavefront as I'm 51.
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> Paul C.
Good luck! Let us know how it went.
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~RT
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2005-09-26, 5:23 pm |
| Very best of luck! Please do report back of your recovery and
progress.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| Paul, wish you would have talked this over a bit on an internet forum (not
neccessarily this one). You just signed up for permanent corneal nerve
damage with possible debilitating dry eye now or some time in your future,
surgically induced distortions in your cornea that cannot be corrected with
glasses, a structurally compromised cornea (your flap can be easily
dislodged at any time for the rest of your life by something as simple as a
finger poke), debris under the flap, wrinkles in your flap, possible induced
floaters, possible nerve damage to the eyelid, possible over/under
correction with its resulting hassles. More surgery, possible accomodative
dysfunction, possible perment blurry vision. Paul, you should have bought a
sportscar. Emory university demonstrated that every post-LASIK eye has
pathology (disease).
"Paul Costa" <ptcosta1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:ptcosta1-A64513.12342426092005@news.west.earthlink.net...
>I made the decision to undergo LASIK surgery. Opted for monovision and
> wavefront as I'm 51.
>
> Paul C.
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| Paul Costa 2005-09-28, 9:43 am |
| The laser, Ladarvision Custom Cornea, would not calibrate and I have
rescheduled for this Sat.
The Doctor stated that technicians from Alcon would need to deal with
the issue.
How often do lasers used in eye surgery need to be calibrated/serviced?
Paul C.
In article <v0sgj15v53g5svu1uoi1m8kblcs3jttbhf@4ax.com>,
glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org wrote:
> Very best of luck! Please do report back of your recovery and
> progress.
>
> Glenn Hagele
> Executive Director
> USAEyes.org
>
> "Consider and Choose With Confidence"
>
> Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
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> http://www.USAEyes.org
> http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
>
> I am not a doctor.
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| Ragnar 2005-09-28, 9:43 am |
| I would go someplace else. I'm no fan of Ladarvision. Find a VISX
laser, they are the most widely used.
I assume you have already tried monovision with contact lenses so you
know what to expect with that.
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 06:00:26 GMT, Paul Costa <ptcosta1@earthlink.net>
wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>The laser, Ladarvision Custom Cornea, would not calibrate and I have
>rescheduled for this Sat.
>
>The Doctor stated that technicians from Alcon would need to deal with
>the issue.
>
>How often do lasers used in eye surgery need to be calibrated/serviced?
>
>Paul C.
>
>
>
>In article <v0sgj15v53g5svu1uoi1m8kblcs3jttbhf@4ax.com>,
>glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org wrote:
>
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| Ragnar 2005-09-28, 9:43 am |
| I think Paul realizes that you are full of it, "Sue".
I doubt he, nor anyone with any common sense, replies to you other
than to point out that you are out of your mind.
By the way...
I'd like to know where you plan on buying a sportscar for $4000. Even
a non-sportscar would have to be at least 10 years old to sell for
$4000. That is just one more example of how out of touch and nuts you
are.
One thing you forgot to add to your message "Sue". An asteroid could
fall from the sky and hit the car you are travelling to the eye center
in. Is having your vision improved really worth the risk of an
asteroid hitting your car? How about a lightning strike?
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 00:48:35 -0400, "Sue" <SuePreston@aol.com> wrote:
>Paul, wish you would have talked this over a bit on an internet forum (not
>neccessarily this one). You just signed up for permanent corneal nerve
>damage with possible debilitating dry eye now or some time in your future,
>surgically induced distortions in your cornea that cannot be corrected with
>glasses, a structurally compromised cornea (your flap can be easily
>dislodged at any time for the rest of your life by something as simple as a
>finger poke), debris under the flap, wrinkles in your flap, possible induced
>floaters, possible nerve damage to the eyelid, possible over/under
>correction with its resulting hassles. More surgery, possible accomodative
>dysfunction, possible perment blurry vision. Paul, you should have bought a
>sportscar. Emory university demonstrated that every post-LASIK eye has
>pathology (disease).
>
>
>"Paul Costa" <ptcosta1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:ptcosta1-A64513.12342426092005@news.west.earthlink.net...
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| stopspam@bellsouth.net 2005-09-28, 9:43 am |
| On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 00:48:35 -0400, "Sue" <SuePreston@aol.com> wrote:
>Paul, wish you would have talked this over a bit on an internet forum (not
>neccessarily this one). You just signed up for permanent corneal nerve
>damage with possible debilitating dry eye now or some time in your future,
>surgically induced distortions in your cornea that cannot be corrected with
>glasses, a structurally compromised cornea (your flap can be easily
>dislodged at any time for the rest of your life by something as simple as a
>finger poke), debris under the flap, wrinkles in your flap, possible induced
>floaters, possible nerve damage to the eyelid, possible over/under
>correction with its resulting hassles. More surgery, possible accomodative
>dysfunction, possible perment blurry vision. Paul, you should have bought a
>sportscar. Emory university demonstrated that every post-LASIK eye has
>pathology (disease).
Then why does Emory continue to offer and perform LASIK surgery (IMHO,
they have some of the best surgeons in the country)--and why do they
call the procedure "safe" and "effective"?
http://www.emoryhealthcare.org/depa...on/FAQ/FAQ.html
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| lindakendall3155@yahoo.com.au 2005-09-28, 9:43 am |
| I had my enhancement done 2 years ago on the LADARvision. I have had no
problems whatsoever. The clinic I went to only use the LADARvison and
have excellent results.
Linda
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| In article <ptcosta1-1705D3.23001926092005@news.west.earthlink.net>,
Paul Costa <ptcosta1@earthlink.net> wrote:
> The laser, Ladarvision Custom Cornea, would not calibrate and I have
> rescheduled for this Sat.
>
> The Doctor stated that technicians from Alcon would need to deal with
> the issue.
>
> How often do lasers used in eye surgery need to be calibrated/serviced?
>
> Paul C.
Now that you have a couple of days until your procedure (and this is not
a stupid heartless cruel and baseless tirade ala "Sue"), just wanted to
make sure that you have had experience with monovision before having the
procedure done with LASIK. Some people have trouble adjusting, and at
51 you may not be completely presbyoptic, ie. your need for reading
glasses will still change over the next few years. You didn't mention if
you've done a contact lens trial or not.
Glenn Hagele has monovision--he can add some good advice if he reads
this.
I had my procedure done with Ladarvision Custom cornea and I'm very
happy with my outcome (not monovision tho).
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~RT
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2005-09-28, 9:43 am |
| Emory continues to provide refractive surgery because by medical
standards refractive surgery is safe and effective. It is also not
perfect.
What you have in this forum is a couple people who were a part of that
unfortunate small minority who had a bad outcome and are determined to
vilify refractive surgery even if to vilify refractive surgery one
must become removed from truth and reality.
"Sue" is one of many aliases of one anti-LASIK zealot. Once can only
guess why he would fee he needs to hide behind many different names.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2005-09-28, 9:43 am |
| All excimer lasers are re calibrated several times a day to maintain
accuracy. The appropriate response if calibration fails is to stop all
surgeries and have the technicians come in. It would appear that your
doctor has those safety protocols in place.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| Ragnar 2005-09-28, 9:43 am |
| I think you are giving in to the malcontents too much below...
You say that the surgery isn't perfect. What surgery is perfect? I
can't think of one. For that matter, what in life is perfect?
Nothing that I can think of. There was a Mr. Perfect who was a very
famous wrestler.. even he was not so perfect since he died at about
the age of 45.
Also, you say that the malcontents had bad outcomes. That isn't true.
Usually the malcontents have a normal good result from their LASIK,
BUT they went nuts over their results not being perfect and
threatened, harassed, and intimidated their surgeons into doing
ill-advised enhancements - prematurely - before the initial procedure
had healed sufficiently.
The people who market LASIK as being a 15 minute miracle are to blame
for some of the malcontent reactions. With my LASIK, I couldn't see
worth a damn after the surgery. The next day, I had to fake my way
through doing my work on the computer at the office because I couldn't
see the screen sufficiently. After 3 days, I was at about 20/40.
After 2 weeks, 20/20.. after 3 months 20/15 in one eye and about
20/30ish in the other depending on the time of day. This beats
being 20/800 as I was before surgery.
I tell people that if they see perfectly immediately after surgery,
they are going to have problems.. because there is a bit of regression
with LASIK. There is a LOT of regression with PRK. Your final
results are always going to be different than your initial results..so
if your initial results are perfect.. the regression is going to take
you away from that perfection. A good surgeon does the surgery to
produce the best FINAL results, not the best results 15 minutes after
you have the surgery.
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:34:44 GMT, Glenn - USAEyes.org
<glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org> wrote:
>Emory continues to provide refractive surgery because by medical
>standards refractive surgery is safe and effective. It is also not
>perfect.
>
>What you have in this forum is a couple people who were a part of that
>unfortunate small minority who had a bad outcome and are determined to
>vilify refractive surgery even if to vilify refractive surgery one
>must become removed from truth and reality.
>
>"Sue" is one of many aliases of one anti-LASIK zealot. Once can only
>guess why he would fee he needs to hide behind many different names.
>
>Glenn Hagele
>Executive Director
>USAEyes.org
>
>"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
>
>Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
>
>http://www.USAEyes.org
>http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
>
>I am not a doctor.
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| Ragnar 2005-09-28, 9:43 am |
| The lasers aren't used every day. Typically, a laser system is only
turned on 2 or 3 days per week. And although they are supposed to be
calibrated often, I can promise you that LVI doesn't do that. For
one thing, LVI lines up their procedures back to back. They bring in
all their patients on one day, fly one of their button pushing goons
in to do 2 dozen patients in a day, and there is no time at all to be
calibrating anything - let alone disassembling, changing blades,
cleaning the $60,000 microkeratomes. If someone thinks that LVI has
50 microkeratomes sitting around at $60,000 each to do a day's worth
of patients, I have some land to sell you in New Orleans.
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:37:00 GMT, Glenn - USAEyes.org
<glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org> wrote:
>All excimer lasers are re calibrated several times a day to maintain
>accuracy. The appropriate response if calibration fails is to stop all
>surgeries and have the technicians come in. It would appear that your
>doctor has those safety protocols in place.
>
>Glenn Hagele
>Executive Director
>USAEyes.org
>
>"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
>
>Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
>
>http://www.USAEyes.org
>http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
>
>I am not a doctor.
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| serebel 2005-09-28, 9:43 am |
| Good luck Paul. My lasik was also done on Ladarvision with no problems.
The recalibration insures against gross mistakes.
SErebel
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| BettyB 2005-09-30, 1:16 pm |
| Why did Vioxx stay on the market so long? Why is tobacco not regulated as a
drug?
Doctors are still 'selling' LASIK even though they know it harms eyes
because it
is so darned profitable. They have a clinic to support, enjoy the fat
income, and
still have to pay off that laser. So they keep doing it, each time damaging
eyes.
Surgeons with a conscience who are 'in the know' are speaking out about
problems with
LASIK, or stopping the procedure in their practices altogether.
<stopspam@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:2h7ij1516i0nn5uh0n763mic8re461tq5l@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 00:48:35 -0400, "Sue" <SuePreston@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> Then why does Emory continue to offer and perform LASIK surgery (IMHO,
> they have some of the best surgeons in the country)--and why do they
> call the procedure "safe" and "effective"?
>
> http://www.emoryhealthcare.org/depa...on/FAQ/FAQ.html
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| BettyB 2005-09-30, 1:16 pm |
| VISX lasers are absolute garbage. They have a tiny optical zone and cause a
great deal of night
vision problems for patients. VISX claims their 'blend' is adequate. Doctors
are placing this blend
zone INSIDE people's scotopic pupil. So in different lighting conditions you
have different vision.
The darker it gets, the more vision you lose. When it's dim in the room I am
extremely myopic
with loss of contrast sensitivity and high induced higher order aberrations
AND induced regular
astigmatism.
THANKS VISX for SCREWING UP MY EYES. Do you have any engineers or doctors on
your
staff who know anything whatsoever about visual science and optics????
"Ragnar" <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2g3ij1t45jsji0bdidm7sq9lumqjmn8fkj@4ax.com...[vbcol=seagreen]
>I would go someplace else. I'm no fan of Ladarvision. Find a VISX
> laser, they are the most widely used.
>
> I assume you have already tried monovision with contact lenses so you
> know what to expect with that.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 06:00:26 GMT, Paul Costa <ptcosta1@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
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| BettyB 2005-09-30, 1:16 pm |
| Gee, Ragnar. A surgeon at a prominent university research hospital told me
that
in their LASIK clinic, where they use the VISX S4 laser that 10% of patients
have visual disturbances that are not recorded by a Snellen chart.
You know, like night vision problems and loss of contrast sensitivity. Ten
percent, Ragnar.
This is a bit more likely than the meteor/lighting strike scenario.
My hairdresser has nerve damage and dry eye from LASIK.
The lady at my vet is battling LASIK dry eye.
My optometrist had to get plugs because he had so much nerve damage from
LASIK he
was uncomfortable flying on planes due to dry eye.
My dental hygenist can no longer drive at night because of LASIK.
My neighbor has dry eye from LASIK.
My coworker has pain when he lightly touches the eyelid of the eye that had
an enhancement.
A guy who worked across the street from me has blurry vision at all
distances, his LASIK was
one month before my eyes were screwed up. Wish I had known.
Two sales reps I work with had LASIK problems in the family. One woman's
husband was a mess
for about 5 months after LASIK and still has blurry vision in one eye. He
couldn't focus, had to get
plugs for dry eye and must wear them for life.
Another woman is having sudden loss of visual quality. She's really worried
about her decision to have
refractive surgery because of the research that is coming out about long
term problems.
Everybody who has refractive surgery gets screwed up eyes.
"Ragnar" <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dl3ij1t53fm5bet5c216r1jub305oc6og8@4ax.com...[vbcol=seagreen]
>I think Paul realizes that you are full of it, "Sue".
> I doubt he, nor anyone with any common sense, replies to you other
> than to point out that you are out of your mind.
>
>
> By the way...
> I'd like to know where you plan on buying a sportscar for $4000. Even
> a non-sportscar would have to be at least 10 years old to sell for
> $4000. That is just one more example of how out of touch and nuts you
> are.
>
> One thing you forgot to add to your message "Sue". An asteroid could
> fall from the sky and hit the car you are travelling to the eye center
> in. Is having your vision improved really worth the risk of an
> asteroid hitting your car? How about a lightning strike?
>
>
> On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 00:48:35 -0400, "Sue" <SuePreston@aol.com> wrote:
>
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2005-09-30, 1:16 pm |
| If the information is accurate and truthful, there is no need to
continue to create and use different aliases or make up stories of
vision problems.
The optical zone on the Visx S4 is 6.5mm with blend out to 8.0mm,
however the narrow width of astigmatic correction in conventional mode
(S3) may be as small as 4.5mm. In wavefront-guided mode (S4 again) the
narrow is about 6.0mm and the wide is about 6.5mm for astigmatic
correction.
In all cases, the size of the fully corrected optical treatment zone
is only important as it relates to pupil size. If the patient's pupils
are 4.5mm, there the issue is moot. If the patient's pupils when
naturally dilated in low light are 7.5mm, then there may be a problem
with night vision problems if the amount of correction is significant.
For details on pupil size issues, see
http://www.usaeyes.org/faq/subjects..._pupil_size.htm
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2005-09-30, 1:16 pm |
| And another question is why Hanson uses alias after alias instead of
just fessing up that he is the poster?
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2005-09-30, 1:16 pm |
| So Hanson is now using the "somebody told me...." stories.
Why don't you just come up with a reliable study that affirms a point
you are trying to make, rather than all this "I know somebody who..."
nonsense.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| In article <1128036165.e7a4fd56a1bd40ea2fd66ce5cfd965ba@teranews>,
"BettyB" <BettyB@aol_nospam.com> wrote:
> Everybody who has refractive surgery gets screwed up eyes.
Yes, it does seem like everyone you know has screwed up eyes. Obviously
you don't know me (thank goodness--I think you must be some kind of
jinx).
--
~RT
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| serebel 2005-09-30, 1:16 pm |
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BettyB wrote:
> Everybody who has refractive surgery gets screwed up eyes.
>
>
>
I know of a cousin of a brother of a friend of an aunt of a used car
dealer........
I just love my "screwed up" eyes.
SErebel
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