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serebel

2005-08-04, 10:54 pm

On LME, Rebecca started a thread asking what things that her people
wish they understood before surgery.

The answers floored me. For all the things they stated, all they had to
do was simply read the consent form. What they stated is on that form.
No wonder they're a bunch of whiners and hypocondriacs.

SErebel

CatmanX

2005-08-05, 9:14 am

Unless of course the form was not the sam eas you may have signed.

There is a big variance in consent forms.

Of course, you are correct in that reading the form does help, but then
again, the surgery is supposed to go through that with you so even the
dumbest patient has been informed of the possible side effects.

dr grant

Anna

2005-08-05, 9:14 am

OK, come up with a consent form that admits dry eye may be permenent
and that higher order aberrations are expected.

"serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On LME, Rebecca started a thread asking what things that her people
> wish they understood before surgery.
>
> The answers floored me. For all the things they stated, all they had to
> do was simply read the consent form. What they stated is on that form.
> No wonder they're a bunch of whiners and hypocondriacs.
>
>
> SErebel
>

Glenn - USAEyes.org

2005-08-05, 10:56 pm

OMEC's current from. OMEC is a large malpractice firm that provides
malpractice coverage to ophthalmologists and this form in many
iterations is used by doctors outside of OMEC. I don't know when the
dry eye clause was added, but it was in my informed consent and I had
PRK.

Of course, there are more sources for information about refractive
surgery than the informed consent....like the Internet.

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org

"Consider and Choose With Confidence"

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org

I am not a doctor.

serebel

2005-08-05, 10:56 pm

You hit it right on the head, these people are the dumbest of patients.

SErebel

serebel

2005-08-05, 10:56 pm

On LME there's this nut JIMS57 who posts he had a great outcome a few
times on the BB, yet he's fishing for problems of a typical
hypocondriac. He's actually whining even though he admits he's 20/15.
BTW, Phillys's eyes still hurt.

SErebel

Monika

2005-08-06, 10:55 pm

Wow, you are an incredibly sick person. How could you be unaware that some
people
have chronic pain for life after LASIK due to the nerve damage that is
caused by the procedure?

I myself have eye pain every day of my life. I can't get away from it. No
type of painkiller helps.
Just because a patient can read 20/15 on a SNELLEN chart doesn't mean they
don't have other
visual symptoms like GASH at night, dry eye and eye pain that is a permanent
disability.

A patient posting on another site has chronic headaches and nausea from
LASIK-induced eye
strain although he's 20/20. He can't function normally in life. He's really
struggling to stay employed.

Get a clue about the damage that this procedure is doing to people, and the
suffering they undergo
and have some human compassion for a change.

"serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On LME there's this nut JIMS57 who posts he had a great outcome a few
> times on the BB, yet he's fishing for problems of a typical
> hypocondriac. He's actually whining even though he admits he's 20/15.
> BTW, Phillys's eyes still hurt.
>
> SErebel
>

serebel

2005-08-06, 10:55 pm

Oh stop whining you big baby. None of you loonies have ever explained
the millions of satisfied patients vs the few bad outcomes. Last time I
checked, lasik is still legal and very popular.

SErebel

Ragnar

2005-08-07, 9:07 am

Frankly, those forms don't mean anything.

Form or not, the surgeon had better do his job right. Few people
seriously read those forms, and once they are in the office and
awaiting surgery, nobody is about to back out. Those forms really
don't offer any protection to the surgeon at all. Maybe they should,
but they don't. Courts in the U.S. are fickle. The courts ignore
things that are relevant making it an exercise in futility for most
people to sue about anything at all. On the other hand, courts
sometimes nail someone for unjustified reasons. Basically, right and
wrong don't matter in a courtroom.

Here's a little example of how a form might be used in court. Let's
say a patient is having some teeth pulled and the consent form says
"there is a risk that one's ears might fall off when your teeth are
pulled out". Then after the surgery, the patients ears fall off.
Then it goes to court, and the surgeon says "I have this consent form
signed by the patient"... however that doesn't necessarily protect the
surgeon. One may ask the surgeon, "if you knew there was a risk of
the patient's ears falling off, why didn't you properly screen the
patient before you did surgery on the patient?" or "so this
complication was anticipated? that makes you even more liable".

The only consent form that really would mean anything is that the
surgeon is not liable for anything resulting from the surgery unless
the surgery was performed in a grossly negligent manner to be
determined by a panel of the surgeon's peers.
A lawyer, nor judge, nor novice layman is qualified to make that
determination.

Anyway.. the point is.. that consent form doesn't mean much of
anything. The things listed in it are usually not very accurate nor
relevant. When irrelevant information is mixed in with relevant
information, ALL the information loses it's value and significance.

On 5 Aug 2005 04:16:56 -0700, "CatmanX" <grantm@connexus.net.au>
wrote:

>Unless of course the form was not the sam eas you may have signed.
>
>There is a big variance in consent forms.
>
>Of course, you are correct in that reading the form does help, but then
>again, the surgery is supposed to go through that with you so even the
>dumbest patient has been informed of the possible side effects.
>
>dr grant

Ragnar

2005-08-07, 9:07 am

Monika, you are wrong, just hang it up and find a new hobby.

On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:31:06 -0400, "Monika" <Monika@nospam_aol.com>
wrote:

>Wow, you are an incredibly sick person. How could you be unaware that some
>people
>have chronic pain for life after LASIK due to the nerve damage that is
>caused by the procedure?
>
>I myself have eye pain every day of my life. I can't get away from it. No
>type of painkiller helps.
>Just because a patient can read 20/15 on a SNELLEN chart doesn't mean they
>don't have other
>visual symptoms like GASH at night, dry eye and eye pain that is a permanent
>disability.
>
>A patient posting on another site has chronic headaches and nausea from
>LASIK-induced eye
>strain although he's 20/20. He can't function normally in life. He's really
>struggling to stay employed.
>
>Get a clue about the damage that this procedure is doing to people, and the
>suffering they undergo
>and have some human compassion for a change.
>
>
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