Lasik Eyes Surgery - Lasik Healing Time

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Lasik Healing Time

The Real Picard

2005-07-29, 10:53 pm

Ok, I had Lasik done about 2.5 days ago, sleeping with this goggle thing is
driving me nuts at night. How many nights do I really have to wear it?
I've done the eye drops every four hours and on my recheck yesterday was
told everything looks GREAT! How long till the flap is no longer a flap???
Anyone know?

Many thanks!

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"Loving God & Loving People - The 2 most important things to me!"

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serebel

2005-07-29, 10:53 pm

The Real Picard wrote:
> Ok, I had Lasik done about 2.5 days ago, sleeping with this goggle thing is
> driving me nuts at night. How many nights do I really have to wear it?
> I've done the eye drops every four hours and on my recheck yesterday was
> told everything looks GREAT! How long till the flap is no longer a flap???
> Anyone know?
>
> Many thanks!
>
> --
>
> "Loving God & Loving People - The 2 most important things to me!"
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------

The goggles prevent you from mashing your eyes into the pillow and/or
rubbing them while you sleep. The usual rule of thumb is to wear them
for about seven days. Keep doing what the doc says and everything will
keep looking great.

SErebel

The Real Picard

2005-07-30, 8:54 am

Not the answer I wanted to hear other than it probably IS the truth, so back
to the goggles! I sure love not wearing glasses any more too.

Amazing process!

Thanks.

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"Loving God & Loving People - The 2 most important things to me!"

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"serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> The Real Picard wrote:
>
>
> The goggles prevent you from mashing your eyes into the pillow and/or
> rubbing them while you sleep. The usual rule of thumb is to wear them
> for about seven days. Keep doing what the doc says and everything will
> keep looking great.
>
> SErebel
>

2005-07-30, 8:54 am

In article <XQCGe.2708$MW5.2229@trnddc08>,
"The Real Picard" <box1113@gmail.com> wrote:

> Not the answer I wanted to hear other than it probably IS the truth, so back
> to the goggles! I sure love not wearing glasses any more too.
>
> Amazing process!
>
> Thanks.

IMO you've just paid a lot of money to do something to a very sensitive
and crucial part of your body. Being vigilant about caring for your
eyes will help with an optimum outcome. Why mess with that? Why try to
cut corners? 1 week is really not a very long time in the scheme of
things when what you want is a lifetime of good vision.

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~RT

The Real Picard

2005-07-30, 11:52 am

I totally agree with you. Was just curious so I asked the question. I am
very happy with the results thus far and would not want to risk getting any
less that what is possible.

Thanks!

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"Loving God & Loving People - The 2 most important things to me!"

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"RT" <RTMD24@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> In article <XQCGe.2708$MW5.2229@trnddc08>,
> "The Real Picard" <box1113@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> IMO you've just paid a lot of money to do something to a very sensitive
> and crucial part of your body. Being vigilant about caring for your
> eyes will help with an optimum outcome. Why mess with that? Why try to
> cut corners? 1 week is really not a very long time in the scheme of
> things when what you want is a lifetime of good vision.
>
> --
> ~RT
>

Ragnar

2005-07-30, 5:54 pm

You can stop with the goggles now.

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:51:17 GMT, "The Real Picard"
<box1113@gmail.com> wrote:

>Ok, I had Lasik done about 2.5 days ago, sleeping with this goggle thing is
>driving me nuts at night. How many nights do I really have to wear it?
>I've done the eye drops every four hours and on my recheck yesterday was
>told everything looks GREAT! How long till the flap is no longer a flap???
>Anyone know?
>
>Many thanks!

SadbadLASIK.com

2005-08-04, 8:58 am

Dear Picard,

The flap is always a flap. You will always have a flap after LASIK. It can
be lifted easily
many years later. Sorry.

"The Real Picard" <box1113@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9aAGe.931$Bx5.482@trnddc09...
> Ok, I had Lasik done about 2.5 days ago, sleeping with this goggle thing
> is driving me nuts at night. How many nights do I really have to wear it?
> I've done the eye drops every four hours and on my recheck yesterday was
> told everything looks GREAT! How long till the flap is no longer a
> flap??? Anyone know?
>
> Many thanks!
>
> --
>
> "Loving God & Loving People - The 2 most important things to me!"
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>

The Real Picard

2005-08-04, 11:54 am

Oh come on, I certinaly know it mends itself back, like skin. Gimme a
break. Why would you try to scare people with crap like that?

Peace

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"Loving God & Loving People - The 2 most important things to me!"

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"SadbadLASIK.com" <SadbadLASIK@nospam_aol.com> wrote in message
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> Dear Picard,
>
> The flap is always a flap. You will always have a flap after LASIK. It can
> be lifted easily
> many years later. Sorry.
>
>
> "The Real Picard" <box1113@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9aAGe.931$Bx5.482@trnddc09...
>
>

Richard

2005-08-04, 11:54 am

"The Real Picard" <box1113@gmail.com> wrote in news:VvqIe.34730$Tk6.5433
@trnddc02:

> Oh come on, I certinaly know it mends itself back, like skin. Gimme a
> break. Why would you try to scare people with crap like that?
>

Well, not entirely true. It does not ever heal entirely, and it is
possible to relift the same flap years later. This is not to say that it
remains as weak as it was immediately after surgery, that is also not true.

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Richard

CatmanX

2005-08-04, 5:59 pm

sadbadLasik is actually correct. The flap does not reknit fully and
flaps have been lifted up to 13 years later. The epithelium is fully
regenerated in 7 days, but the stromal layer does not reattach with the
same bond as previously.

This is not to say that it will fall off at a touch, but it does not
have its original strength.

dr grant

The Real Picard

2005-08-04, 5:59 pm

Do I have to worry at night, sleeping that I might rub it open? Now you're
scaring me.

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"Loving God & Loving People - The 2 most important things to me!"

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"CatmanX" <grantm@connexus.net.au> wrote in message
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> sadbadLasik is actually correct. The flap does not reknit fully and
> flaps have been lifted up to 13 years later. The epithelium is fully
> regenerated in 7 days, but the stromal layer does not reattach with the
> same bond as previously.
>
> This is not to say that it will fall off at a touch, but it does not
> have its original strength.
>
> dr grant
>

SamregretsLASIK

2005-08-04, 10:54 pm

You should probably never rub your eyes vigorously again.

"The Real Picard" <box1113@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Do I have to worry at night, sleeping that I might rub it open? Now
> you're scaring me.
>
>
> --
>
> "Loving God & Loving People - The 2 most important things to me!"
>
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> "CatmanX" <grantm@connexus.net.au> wrote in message
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>

SamregretsLASIK

2005-08-04, 10:54 pm

It just remains really really weak. Forever. It is not at all like skin,
which does heal as strong
as before.

"Richard" <RichardRapier@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> "The Real Picard" <box1113@gmail.com> wrote in news:VvqIe.34730$Tk6.5433
> @trnddc02:
>
>
> Well, not entirely true. It does not ever heal entirely, and it is
> possible to relift the same flap years later. This is not to say that it
> remains as weak as it was immediately after surgery, that is also not
> true.
>
> --
> Richard

2005-08-04, 10:54 pm

In article <1123198952.e8f4f3db2476a5a96bd3abdaf2d5e018@teranews>,
"SamregretsLASIK" <SamregretsLASIK@nospam_aol.com> wrote:

> You should probably never rub your eyes vigorously again.

That's ridiculous. Actually, didn't someone write about how vigorous
eye rubbing on un-LASIKed eyes can lead to corneal thinning?

No one should run their eyes vigorously. But it is totally unnecessary
to scare people post-LASIK like that.

You're not helping anyone Sam.

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~RT

serebel

2005-08-04, 10:54 pm

The Real Picard wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> Do I have to worry at night, sleeping that I might rub it open? Now you're
> scaring me.
>
>
> --
>
> "Loving God & Loving People - The 2 most important things to me!"
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> "CatmanX" <grantm@connexus.net.au> wrote in message
> news:1123187234.974527.67560@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Let's clarify a few things here. The flap and stroma eventually knit
down thru fibril attachment. flaps are not commonly lifted after years
as some would suggest. It's possible, but would be difficult to do.
After a few months and as time goes on, it would take a trauma that
would do severe damage to the eye anyway to move a flap.

SErebel

Ragnar

2005-08-05, 9:14 am

misleading response.
Eventually the flap regains 90% of it's original strength - which is
quite sufficient. 50% is quite sufficient.

In Radial Keratotomy, slits are made in the stroma to a depth of 95 to
98% the depth of the cornea to weaken it enough to result in a shape
change (flattening) of the cornea. The tensile strength of the clear
collagen fibers that make up the cornea have a tensile strength
similar to steel.

If the flap did reknit 100%, it would not be possible to lift a flap
and a new flap would have to be made.

On 4 Aug 2005 13:27:15 -0700, "CatmanX" <grantm@connexus.net.au>
wrote:

>sadbadLasik is actually correct. The flap does not reknit fully and
>flaps have been lifted up to 13 years later. The epithelium is fully
>regenerated in 7 days, but the stromal layer does not reattach with the
>same bond as previously.
>
>This is not to say that it will fall off at a touch, but it does not
>have its original strength.
>
>dr grant

Richard

2005-08-05, 11:56 am

"SamregretsLASIK" <SamregretsLASIK@nospam_aol.com> wrote in
news:1123199451.ee6ccf106bf74ebd7151b0238d1f9ec7@teranews:

> "Richard" <RichardRapier@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns96A86DD86446Drichardrapiernetscap@130.133.1.4...
>
> It just remains really really weak. Forever. It is not at all like
> skin, which does heal as strong
> as before.
>

Depending on your definition of really really weak, that could be
considered true. From personal experience, I know that I don't have to
worry about the flap just flopping off due to everyday life. Rubbing
your eyes occasionally, swimming, running, biking, hiking, going to
amusment parks, driving your car like a maniac, etc. are all things that
I have not had any reason to worry about post Lasik.

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Richard

Glenn - USAEyes.org

2005-08-05, 5:57 pm

The LASIK flap does heal, but not in the same manner as skin. LASIK
flaps have been lifted as much as 12 years after surgery. Well,
"lifted" is not really the appropriate term. It is more like the
cornea is separated at the location of the original incision. For all
the details about LASIK flap healing, visit
http://www.usaeyes.org/faq/subjects/lasik_flap_heal.htm

If flap issues are a concern due to the individual circumstances of
the patient, a surface ablation technique such as PRK, LASEK, or
Epi-LASIK may be more appropriate. Addition techniques such as P-IOL,
RLE, or Intacs may also be an option, depending upon the exact nature
of the concern. There are many options that need to be considered.

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org

"Consider and Choose With Confidence"

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org

I am not a doctor.

Glenn - USAEyes.org

2005-08-05, 5:57 pm

It looks like the anti-LASIK zealot has got you going. You previously
asked why someone would say "crap" like this. You are an excellent
example of why, in my opinion, they do this. They want to misinform
away from LASIK people who may be appropriate candidates, and frighten
those who have had successful LASIK into never again expressing how
much they are delighted with the result. It appears to me that all
they do is cause confusion and anxiety.

One should never vigorously rub one's eyes whether or not you have had
refractive surgery. The reason is that vigorous rubbing causes a
chemical/biological reaction that can, in extreme situations, cause
corneal weakness and can lead to problems such as keratoconus or
ectasia.

About 3-6 weeks after uneventful LASIK in a healthy eye with normal
recovery, light to moderate rubbing of the eyes (with lids closed, of
course) would be okay. Once fully healed, the LASIK flap absolutely
can withstand vigorous rubbing, but as I said it is not a good idea.

There has never been a reported case of a fully healed LASIK flap
being dislodged by the patient rubbing his or her closed eyes. There
are a few cases where patients have had a flap dislocation due to
trauma to the eye itself. Blunt trauma dislocation is rare, but a
sweeping motion across the front of the eye can dislodge a flap
(yuck).

Interestingly, I recently had a doctor tell me of a patient who had an
Intralase femtosecond laser created that was lost in an automobile
accident, however after the epithelium covered the wound, the
patient's vision was equal to what it was with the flap. This is not,
however, something anyone would recommend.

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org

"Consider and Choose With Confidence"

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org

I am not a doctor.