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| Ragnar 2005-07-09, 12:17 pm |
| In the news recently, the issue of psychiatric drugs has been raised
in the matter of Brooke Shields and Tom Cruise. First let me say
that Tom Cruise is not very bright, he never has been, and he has a
big mouth. Scientology is a cult of nuts. I used to work for a
software company that was owned by Scientologists. I got fired for
refusing to take Scientology training for 45 mins per day on my own
time and pay for the training out of my own pocket. By the way, Tom
Cruise is not gay, but he is impotent due to cancer treatments he had
in the late '80s. When Nicole Kidman got pregnant, he knew he didn't
place the order and divorced her (and she had an abortion). If
Scientology is so great, I wonder why he is on marriage #3 and that
one isn't going to last either.
There IS however a big danger with anti-depressants. They are like
emotional anesthesia. Insteas of anti-depressants, they should call
them emotion suppressants. With an anesthetic such as novacaine, one
loses all sensitivity to a body part and you could easily chop off
your own anesthetized body part without the natural nervous system
reaction not to do so. A finger injected with novacaine could be
severed with a knife not unlike clipping a fingernail or cutting one's
hair.
Anti-depressants are extremely dangerous in that with them, ALL
emotions are suppressed to a degree, not just the depressing ones.
This makes one very susceptible to committing acts such as homicide,
suicide, or just plain developing an "I don't care" mentality.
On the other hand, that doesn't mean that anti-depressants are not
very important and useful. Certainly some children are so hyper and
destructive that they need to risk turning off their emotions a bit.
Also people such as post-partum women (as in the case of Brooke
Shields) need a TEMPORARY relief from their out of control emotions.
When the body starts producing mind-altering hormones on its own, it
can wreak havoc upon one's mental health (temporarily at least).
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| blindedsailor 2005-07-09, 12:17 pm |
| Ragnar... I mean Christopher... how do you explain the fact that you were
never able to
get another job, and are currently unemployed?
You know nothing about Psychiatric meds and should keep your mouth
shut.
"Ragnar" <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:plevc1pkmfinr0do2pcunpeblnjf0n6vfj@4ax.com...
> In the news recently, the issue of psychiatric drugs has been raised
> in the matter of Brooke Shields and Tom Cruise. First let me say
> that Tom Cruise is not very bright, he never has been, and he has a
> big mouth. Scientology is a cult of nuts. I used to work for a
> software company that was owned by Scientologists. I got fired for
> refusing to take Scientology training for 45 mins per day on my own
> time and pay for the training out of my own pocket. By the way, Tom
> Cruise is not gay, but he is impotent due to cancer treatments he had
> in the late '80s. When Nicole Kidman got pregnant, he knew he didn't
> place the order and divorced her (and she had an abortion). If
> Scientology is so great, I wonder why he is on marriage #3 and that
> one isn't going to last either.
>
> There IS however a big danger with anti-depressants. They are like
> emotional anesthesia. Insteas of anti-depressants, they should call
> them emotion suppressants. With an anesthetic such as novacaine, one
> loses all sensitivity to a body part and you could easily chop off
> your own anesthetized body part without the natural nervous system
> reaction not to do so. A finger injected with novacaine could be
> severed with a knife not unlike clipping a fingernail or cutting one's
> hair.
> Anti-depressants are extremely dangerous in that with them, ALL
> emotions are suppressed to a degree, not just the depressing ones.
> This makes one very susceptible to committing acts such as homicide,
> suicide, or just plain developing an "I don't care" mentality.
>
> On the other hand, that doesn't mean that anti-depressants are not
> very important and useful. Certainly some children are so hyper and
> destructive that they need to risk turning off their emotions a bit.
> Also people such as post-partum women (as in the case of Brooke
> Shields) need a TEMPORARY relief from their out of control emotions.
> When the body starts producing mind-altering hormones on its own, it
> can wreak havoc upon one's mental health (temporarily at least).
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| serebel 2005-07-09, 10:54 pm |
| Looks like Blindesailor should have an enhancement of his lobotomy.
He/she is drifting far away from the SE loonies. Telling someone here
to shut up is like shoveling s... against the tide.
SErebel
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| CatmanX 2005-07-10, 8:56 am |
| Funny, I know a guy who worked on the set of MI2 and he states Tom is
rabidly gay. Not only that, but you can't speak to him unless spoken to
first, you can't look him in the eye (like at 5 foot any normal guy can
do that) and you must sign a confidentiality agreement that prohibits
you from talking of anything that goes on on the set.
Cool dude.
dr grant
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| Ragnar 2005-07-10, 8:56 am |
| The SE group doesn't have as many loonies as one would assume. It has
a few loonies who post using multiple aliases... Casey,
BlindedSailor, and Lasik Informer are good examples of that.
Sandy is just about the only official representative of SE - which she
has yet to admit.
On 9 Jul 2005 19:12:53 -0700, "serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote:
>Looks like Blindesailor should have an enhancement of his lobotomy.
>He/she is drifting far away from the SE loonies. Telling someone here
>to shut up is like shoveling s... against the tide.
>
>SErebel
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| Ragnar 2005-07-10, 8:56 am |
| I think you are right for the most part about Mr. Cruise. But it's
not as simple as being gay. First, he is impotent due to cancer
treatments. Second, he is more in love with himself than anybody.
Basically he is nuts, and with his recent tirades, I think the general
public is finally realizing that.
I bet Tom is against LASIK also..
Just a tidbit of information about Tom's favorite cult - the "Church"
of Scientology. There was a writer of lousy sci-fi novels named L.
Ron Hubbard. He had a bet with a friend of his that he could create a
religion and get followers. He won that bet. Then Ron went on to
cruise around on his yacht for a few years and died. The
Scientologists denied that he died for at least 6 months after he
passed because they were afraid of the loss of their $$$ when the news
broke.
The greatest blow to Scientology was that Battleship Earth movie with
John Travolta. That movie was unbelievably bad.
On 10 Jul 2005 05:16:49 -0700, "CatmanX" <grantm@connexus.net.au>
wrote:
>Funny, I know a guy who worked on the set of MI2 and he states Tom is
>rabidly gay. Not only that, but you can't speak to him unless spoken to
>first, you can't look him in the eye (like at 5 foot any normal guy can
>do that) and you must sign a confidentiality agreement that prohibits
>you from talking of anything that goes on on the set.
>
>Cool dude.
>
>dr grant
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| Why is it that anyone who posts here and seems to be intelligent and
informed is immediately labeled as an SE person? Which is now VSRN, for
those of you who are hopefully behind in all respects.
I know you can't relate to them because they are mostly professional
people with jobs.
Ragnar wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> The SE group doesn't have as many loonies as one would assume. It has
> a few loonies who post using multiple aliases... Casey,
> BlindedSailor, and Lasik Informer are good examples of that.
> Sandy is just about the only official representative of SE - which she
> has yet to admit.
>
>
> On 9 Jul 2005 19:12:53 -0700, "serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote:
>
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| Ragnar 2005-07-10, 5:50 pm |
| Who do you consider to be intelligent that is posting here?
Casey? BlindSailor, Lasikinformation? I got news for you, they are
all the same person, and all spewing absurd misinformation.
And you are a bonafide whacko yourself, Tabby.
On 10 Jul 2005 11:07:18 -0700, "Tabby" <tabby_english@yahoo.com>
wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>Why is it that anyone who posts here and seems to be intelligent and
>informed is immediately labeled as an SE person? Which is now VSRN, for
>those of you who are hopefully behind in all respects.
>
>I know you can't relate to them because they are mostly professional
>people with jobs.
>
>Ragnar wrote:
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| serebel 2005-07-10, 10:50 pm |
| Seems that Tabby/Mermaid/tabbys Mommy is "hopefully" behind in all
respects.
1) there are many professional people with jobs who are psycho.
2) VSRN took over SE to launder money from the taxman.
3) SE people are psychos. It's more than obvious.
SErebel
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| ycdbsoya 2005-07-11, 11:53 am |
| Actually, I agree with Rags on this one. Docs spend way to little time
assessing and then they prescribe heavy duty AD's when perhaps all a
patient needs is a good vacation or, in a child's case, parents need to
sit down with teacher and student and discuss how to control classroom
behavior. Kids are energetic by nature. Most adults do not have
clinical depression needing AD's, they have transitive stress causing
mild affective disorders (the blues). They go to the doc, doc spends 5
minutes assessing, and then prescribes an AD that he just learned about
during the sponsoring drug company's fully paid luncheon/golf
tournament. There you have it...instant drugged up, flattened affect
people.
I estimate that at least 2/3 of the AD's prescribed are unneccessary.
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| Ragnar 2005-07-12, 11:12 pm |
| Non-surgical doctors LOVE to prescribe pills. They are bona fide drug
dealers. By getting a patient on drugs, they have a long-term
permanent patient because the patient has to keep coming back to get
that prescription refilled.
It's disgusting.. and what disgusts me even more is when people waste
their time whining about things that don't deserve criticism while
ignoring BIG problems such as doctors who are essentially drug
pushers.
On 11 Jul 2005 09:00:38 -0700, "ycdbsoya" <the_boydstons@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>Actually, I agree with Rags on this one. Docs spend way to little time
>assessing and then they prescribe heavy duty AD's when perhaps all a
>patient needs is a good vacation or, in a child's case, parents need to
>sit down with teacher and student and discuss how to control classroom
>behavior. Kids are energetic by nature. Most adults do not have
>clinical depression needing AD's, they have transitive stress causing
>mild affective disorders (the blues). They go to the doc, doc spends 5
>minutes assessing, and then prescribes an AD that he just learned about
>during the sponsoring drug company's fully paid luncheon/golf
>tournament. There you have it...instant drugged up, flattened affect
>people.
>
>I estimate that at least 2/3 of the AD's prescribed are unneccessary.
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| Linda 2005-07-12, 11:12 pm |
|
ycdbsoya wrote:
> Actually, I agree with Rags on this one. Docs spend way to little time
> assessing and then they prescribe heavy duty AD's when perhaps all a
> patient needs is a good vacation or, in a child's case, parents need to
> sit down with teacher and student and discuss how to control classroom
> behavior. Kids are energetic by nature. Most adults do not have
> clinical depression needing AD's, they have transitive stress causing
> mild affective disorders (the blues). They go to the doc, doc spends 5
> minutes assessing, and then prescribes an AD that he just learned about
> during the sponsoring drug company's fully paid luncheon/golf
> tournament. There you have it...instant drugged up, flattened affect
> people.
>
> I estimate that at least 2/3 of the AD's prescribed are unneccessary.
Only 2/3 ?????. The whole ADD issue is crap! Why is it mostly boys that
are prescribed these drugs? It should be called the Absence Of
Discipline Disorder or Absent of Dad Disorder.
Regards,
Linda
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| Linda 2005-07-12, 11:12 pm |
| Another thing just occured to me also. If there is a sudden epidemic of
this disorder, where did it originate? My brothers and I have often
discussed ADD as they are at the coal face being doctors.
Statistically, the majority of these children (in Australia) come from
one parent families. Which parent do you think is absent - the father.
Who is the role model for boys behaviour - the father. Who are the most
likely to be medicated - young boys. As a society, we are no longer
allowed to discipline effectively, so parents are seeking an easy and
lazy way out which is to medicate. Most of these kids just need good
role models and some boundaries. I am frightened by the amount of
amphetamine that is legally going into our kids.
Regards,
Linda
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| CatmanX 2005-07-12, 11:12 pm |
| Holy XXXX, you really don't want my take on this? Do You?
Doctors that can prescribe, will prescribe. Sort of like Lasik. Can
ablate, will ablate.
Boys outrank girls for learning disorders 10:1. The language centre
(Wernicke's area) is hard-wired in boys at age 5, whereas in girls the
age is 12-13. It is set by testosterone, thus, by the time we are
expected to learn visual codes, boys with learning disabilities are not
able to have the right brain take over languag efunction, where girls
are.
As far as ADD goes, there are 2 types: firstly the real ADD, where the
mum will not let the kid out of her sight, and Ritalin or Dex is
prescribed as a last resort. Second is the single mother, who is more
interested in her next boyfriend and wants the child labelled as ADD.
Now he has a "disease" and it is not her fault. The best treatment is
to smack the kids bum and to also smack the Mums face. The kid has an
attention problem, not an attentional problem.
Doctors are too stupid to work out the difference and paediatricians
are too stupid to work out the difference.
dr grant (paediatric optometrist to the stars)
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| adhd_kidsmom@yahoo.com 2005-07-12, 11:12 pm |
| There are, very literally, thousands of articles reflecting research
that has shown differences in the brain chemistry and anatomy of those
with ADHD. Try Googling "ADHD brain differences" and see what comes up.
ADHD has been detailed in medical literature for more than 100 years,
but was only given a name in the 1980s. Stimulant medication was
suggested and used to treat the symptoms as early as the 1930s.
As a single parent of two ADHD boys, there was never time or energy for
a "boyfriend," let alone any other sort of personal life. My boys' dad
was present and involved in their lives through their teen years. Both
of my kids exhibited ADHD symptoms at a very early age and were on
medication throughout college. One of them still takes Concerta daily,
the other probably should. When their meds wore off in the afternoon,
there was still the entire rest of the day to get through, trying to
get them to eat dinner and do homework, or keep them from bouncing off
the walls. There were no video games or TV allowed except as a special
treat-they played outdoors and ran off some of their extra energy. We
had a basketball hoop and a punching bag in the basement for at night
or on rainy days. Where did they get ADHD? Their father was diagnosed
as an adult, and the kids' docs said I was, too.
ADHD is not necessarily a bad thing. ADHD individuals tend to be highly
creative, intelligent and talented. Some of those either diagnosed
with, or exhibiting the classic symptoms of ADHD, ADD or learning
disabilities are: Ansel Adams (1902-1984) - Photographer, Ann
Bancroft - (1931-present) - Actress, Alexander Graham Bell -
(1862-1939) - Telephone Inventor, Harry Andersen - (1952-present)
- Actor, Hans Christian Anderson - (1805-1875) - Author,
Beethoven - (1770-1827) - Composer, Harry Belafonte -
(1927-present) - Actor, Vocalist, Col. Gregory "Pappy" Boyington -
(1912-1988) WWII Flying Ace (Black Sheep Squadron Leader), Terry
Bradshaw - (1948-Present) - Football Quarterback, George Burns -
(1896-1996) - Actor, Sir Richard Francis Burton - (1821-1890),
Explorer, Linguist, Scholar, Writer, Admiral Richard Byrd -
(1888-1957) - Aviator (Was retired from the navy as, "Unfit for
service"), Thomas Carlyle - (1795-1881) Scottish historian, critic,
and sociological writer, Andrew Carnegie - (1835-1919) Industialist,
Jim Carrey - (1962-present) - Comedian, Lewis Carroll -
(1832-1898) - Author (Alice in Wonderland), Prince Charles -
(1948-present) - Future King of England, Cher (1946-present)-
Actress/Singer, Agatha Christie - (1890-1976) - Author, Winston
Churchill - (1874-1965) - Statesman (Failed the sixth grade), Bill
Cosby - (1937-present) - Actor, Harvey Cushing M.D. -
(1869-1939) Greatest Neurosurgeon of the 20th Century, Salvador Dali
- (1904-1989) -Artist, Leonardo da Vinci - (1452-1519) -
Inventor, Artist, John Denver - (1943-1997) - Musician, Walt Disney
- (1901-1971) (A newspaper editor fired him because he had "No good
ideas".), Kirk Douglas - (1916-2004) - Actor, Thomas Edison -
(1847-1931) - Inventor (His teachers told him he was too stupid to
learn anything), Albert Einstein - (1879-1955) - Physicist
(Einstein was four years old before he could speak, and seven before he
could read), Dwight D. Eisenhower - (1890-1969) - U. S. President,
Military General, Michael Faraday - (1791-1867) - British
Physicist, Chemist, F. Scott Fitzgerald - (1896-1940) - Author,
Malcolm Forbes - (1919-1990) - Forbes Magazine Founder & Publisher,
Henry Ford - (1863-1947) - Automobile Innovator, Benjamin Franklin
- (1706 - 1790) - Politician, Elder Statesman, Galileo (Galilei)
- (1564-1642) - Mathematician, Astronomer, Danny Glover -
(1947-present) - Actor, Tracey Gold - (1969-present) - Actress,
Whoopi Goldberg - (1955-present) - Actress, Georg Frideric Handel
- (1685-1759) - Composer, Valerie Hardin - Gothic Poet, Artist,
Children's Author, Mariette Hartley - (1940-present) Actress (her
daughter has ADD too), William Randolph Hearst - (1863-1951) -
Newspaper Magnate, Ernest Hemingway - (1899-1961) - Author, Mariel
Hemingway - (1961) - Actress, Milton Hershey - "The Chocolate
King" - (1857-1945), Dustin Hoffman - (1937-present) - Actor,
Bruce Jenner - (1949-present) - Athlete, Luci Baines Johnson
(1947-present) - LBJ's Daughter, "Magic" Johnson - (1959-present)
- Basketball Player, Samuel Johnson - Author, Michael Jordan -
(1963-present) - Basketball Player, John F. Kennedy - (1917-1963)
- U. S. President, Robert F. Kennedy - (1925-1968) - U.S.
Attorney General, Jason Kidd - (1973-present) - Professional
Basketball Player, John Lennon - (1940-1980) - Musician, Frederick
Carlton (Carl) Lewis - (1961-present) Olympic Gold Metalist,
American track-and-field athlete, Meriwether Lewis (Lewis & Clark) -
(1774 -1809) - Explorer, Abraham Lincoln - (1809-1865) - U.S.
President, (Entered The Black Hawk War as a Captain and came out a
Private), Greg Louganis - (1960-present) - Olympic Gold Medalist
(Diving), James Clerk Maxwell - (1831-1879) - British Physicist,
Steve McQueen - (1930-1980) - Actor, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart -
(1756-1791) - Composer, Napoleon Bonaparte - (1769-1873) -
Emperor, Nasser (Gamal Abdel-nasser) - (1918-1970) - Egyptian
Leader, Sir Issac Newton -(1642-1727) - Scientist, Mathematician,
(Did poorly in grade school), Nostradamus - (1503-1566) -
Physician, Prophet, Ozzy Osbourne - (1948-present) - said he was
ADHD on TV, Louis Pasteur - (1822-1895) - Scientist(Rated as
mediocre in chemistry when he attended the Royal College), General
George Patton - (1885-1945) - Military, Pablo Picasso -
(1882-1973) - Artist, Edgar Allan Poe - (1809-1849) - Author,
Poet, Rachmaninov - (1873-1943) - Composer, Eddie Rickenbacker -
(1890-1973) - WWI Flying Ace, John D. Rockefeller - (1839-1937)
Founder, Standard Oil Company, Nelson Rockefeller - (1908-1979) -
U.S. Vice President, August Rodin - (1840-1917) - Artist, Sculptor,
Anna Eleanor Roosevelt - (1844-1962) - First Lady, Pete Rose -
(1941-present) - Baseball Player, Babe Ruth - (1895-1948) -
Baseball Legend, Nolan Ryan - (1947-present) - Baseball Player,
Muhammad Anwar al-Sadat - (1918-1981) - Egyptian President, Nobel
Peace Prize Winner in 1976, George C. Scott - (1927-1999) - Actor,
George Bernard Shaw - (1856-1950)-Author, Will Smith - Actor,
Rapper, Entertainer, Tom Smothers - (1937-present) - Actor, Singer,
Entertainer, Socrates - (469-399 B.C.) - Philosopher, Suzanne
Somers - (1946-present) - Actress, Steven Spielberg -
(1946-present) - Filmmaker, Sylvester Stallone - (1946-present) -
Actor, Jackie Stewart - (1939-present) - Grand Prix Hall of Famer,
James Stewart - (1908-1997) - Actor, Henry David Thoreau -
(1817-1862) - Author,(Lev Nikolayevich) Leo Tolstoy - (1828-1910)
- Russian Author (Flunked out of college), Alberto Tomba -
(1966-present) - Italian Alpine Ski Champion, Vincent van Gogh -
(1853-1890) - Artist, Jules Verne - (1828-1905) - Author, Werner
von Braun - (1912-1977) - Rocket Scientist, Flunked 9th grade
algebra, Lindsay Wagner - (1949-present) - Actress (Bionic Woman),
Gen. William C. Westmoreland - (1914-present) - Military (Vietnam
Era), Robin Williams - (1952-present) - Comedian, Woodrow Wilson
- (1856-1924) - U. S. President, Henry Winkler - (1945-present)
- Actor (Fonzie), Stevie Wonder - (1950-present ) - Musician, F.
W. Woolworth - (1852-1919) - Department Store Innovator (While
working in a dry goods store at 21, his employers wouldn't let him wait
on a customer because he "Didn't have enough sense.") Frank Lloyd
Wright - (1867-1959) - Architect, Orville Wright - (1871-1948)
- Airplane Developer, Wilber Wright - (1867-1912) - Airplane
Developer, William Wrigley, Jr. - (1933-1999) - Chewing Gum Maker,
William Butler Yeats - (1865-1939) Irish Author.
(http://www.becalmd.biz/5495/famous.htm)
Maybe you and your doctor brothers should do some reading and research.
Linda wrote:
> Another thing just occured to me also. If there is a sudden epidemic of
> this disorder, where did it originate? My brothers and I have often
> discussed ADD as they are at the coal face being doctors.
> Statistically, the majority of these children (in Australia) come from
> one parent families. Which parent do you think is absent - the father.
> Who is the role model for boys behaviour - the father. Who are the most
> likely to be medicated - young boys. As a society, we are no longer
> allowed to discipline effectively, so parents are seeking an easy and
> lazy way out which is to medicate. Most of these kids just need good
> role models and some boundaries. I am frightened by the amount of
> amphetamine that is legally going into our kids.
> Regards,
> Linda
| |
| Linda 2005-07-12, 11:12 pm |
|
adhd_kidsmom@yahoo.com wrote:
> There are, very literally, thousands of articles reflecting research
> that has shown differences in the brain chemistry and anatomy of those
> with ADHD. Try Googling "ADHD brain differences" and see what comes up.
> ADHD has been detailed in medical literature for more than 100 years,
> but was only given a name in the 1980s. Stimulant medication was
> suggested and used to treat the symptoms as early as the 1930s.
>
> As a single parent of two ADHD boys, there was never time or energy for
> a "boyfriend," let alone any other sort of personal life. My boys' dad
> was present and involved in their lives through their teen years. Both
> of my kids exhibited ADHD symptoms at a very early age and were on
> medication throughout college. One of them still takes Concerta daily,
> the other probably should. When their meds wore off in the afternoon,
> there was still the entire rest of the day to get through, trying to
> get them to eat dinner and do homework, or keep them from bouncing off
> the walls. There were no video games or TV allowed except as a special
> treat-they played outdoors and ran off some of their extra energy. We
> had a basketball hoop and a punching bag in the basement for at night
> or on rainy days. Where did they get ADHD? Their father was diagnosed
> as an adult, and the kids' docs said I was, too.
>
> ADHD is not necessarily a bad thing. ADHD individuals tend to be highly
> creative, intelligent and talented. Some of those either diagnosed
> with, or exhibiting the classic symptoms of ADHD, ADD or learning
> disabilities are: Ansel Adams (1902-1984) - Photographer, Ann
> Bancroft - (1931-present) - Actress, Alexander Graham Bell -
> (1862-1939) - Telephone Inventor, Harry Andersen - (1952-present)
> - Actor, Hans Christian Anderson - (1805-1875) - Author,
> Beethoven - (1770-1827) - Composer, Harry Belafonte -
> (1927-present) - Actor, Vocalist, Col. Gregory "Pappy" Boyington -
> (1912-1988) WWII Flying Ace (Black Sheep Squadron Leader), Terry
> Bradshaw - (1948-Present) - Football Quarterback, George Burns -
> (1896-1996) - Actor, Sir Richard Francis Burton - (1821-1890),
> Explorer, Linguist, Scholar, Writer, Admiral Richard Byrd -
> (1888-1957) - Aviator (Was retired from the navy as, "Unfit for
> service"), Thomas Carlyle - (1795-1881) Scottish historian, critic,
> and sociological writer, Andrew Carnegie - (1835-1919) Industialist,
> Jim Carrey - (1962-present) - Comedian, Lewis Carroll -
> (1832-1898) - Author (Alice in Wonderland), Prince Charles -
> (1948-present) - Future King of England, Cher (1946-present)-
> Actress/Singer, Agatha Christie - (1890-1976) - Author, Winston
> Churchill - (1874-1965) - Statesman (Failed the sixth grade), Bill
> Cosby - (1937-present) - Actor, Harvey Cushing M.D. -
> (1869-1939) Greatest Neurosurgeon of the 20th Century, Salvador Dali
> - (1904-1989) -Artist, Leonardo da Vinci - (1452-1519) -
> Inventor, Artist, John Denver - (1943-1997) - Musician, Walt Disney
> - (1901-1971) (A newspaper editor fired him because he had "No good
> ideas".), Kirk Douglas - (1916-2004) - Actor, Thomas Edison -
> (1847-1931) - Inventor (His teachers told him he was too stupid to
> learn anything), Albert Einstein - (1879-1955) - Physicist
> (Einstein was four years old before he could speak, and seven before he
> could read), Dwight D. Eisenhower - (1890-1969) - U. S. President,
> Military General, Michael Faraday - (1791-1867) - British
> Physicist, Chemist, F. Scott Fitzgerald - (1896-1940) - Author,
> Malcolm Forbes - (1919-1990) - Forbes Magazine Founder & Publisher,
> Henry Ford - (1863-1947) - Automobile Innovator, Benjamin Franklin
> - (1706 - 1790) - Politician, Elder Statesman, Galileo (Galilei)
> - (1564-1642) - Mathematician, Astronomer, Danny Glover -
> (1947-present) - Actor, Tracey Gold - (1969-present) - Actress,
> Whoopi Goldberg - (1955-present) - Actress, Georg Frideric Handel
> - (1685-1759) - Composer, Valerie Hardin - Gothic Poet, Artist,
> Children's Author, Mariette Hartley - (1940-present) Actress (her
> daughter has ADD too), William Randolph Hearst - (1863-1951) -
> Newspaper Magnate, Ernest Hemingway - (1899-1961) - Author, Mariel
> Hemingway - (1961) - Actress, Milton Hershey - "The Chocolate
> King" - (1857-1945), Dustin Hoffman - (1937-present) - Actor,
> Bruce Jenner - (1949-present) - Athlete, Luci Baines Johnson
> (1947-present) - LBJ's Daughter, "Magic" Johnson - (1959-present)
> - Basketball Player, Samuel Johnson - Author, Michael Jordan -
> (1963-present) - Basketball Player, John F. Kennedy - (1917-1963)
> - U. S. President, Robert F. Kennedy - (1925-1968) - U.S.
> Attorney General, Jason Kidd - (1973-present) - Professional
> Basketball Player, John Lennon - (1940-1980) - Musician, Frederick
> Carlton (Carl) Lewis - (1961-present) Olympic Gold Metalist,
> American track-and-field athlete, Meriwether Lewis (Lewis & Clark) -
> (1774 -1809) - Explorer, Abraham Lincoln - (1809-1865) - U.S.
> President, (Entered The Black Hawk War as a Captain and came out a
> Private), Greg Louganis - (1960-present) - Olympic Gold Medalist
> (Diving), James Clerk Maxwell - (1831-1879) - British Physicist,
> Steve McQueen - (1930-1980) - Actor, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart -
> (1756-1791) - Composer, Napoleon Bonaparte - (1769-1873) -
> Emperor, Nasser (Gamal Abdel-nasser) - (1918-1970) - Egyptian
> Leader, Sir Issac Newton -(1642-1727) - Scientist, Mathematician,
> (Did poorly in grade school), Nostradamus - (1503-1566) -
> Physician, Prophet, Ozzy Osbourne - (1948-present) - said he was
> ADHD on TV, Louis Pasteur - (1822-1895) - Scientist(Rated as
> mediocre in chemistry when he attended the Royal College), General
> George Patton - (1885-1945) - Military, Pablo Picasso -
> (1882-1973) - Artist, Edgar Allan Poe - (1809-1849) - Author,
> Poet, Rachmaninov - (1873-1943) - Composer, Eddie Rickenbacker -
> (1890-1973) - WWI Flying Ace, John D. Rockefeller - (1839-1937)
> Founder, Standard Oil Company, Nelson Rockefeller - (1908-1979) -
> U.S. Vice President, August Rodin - (1840-1917) - Artist, Sculptor,
> Anna Eleanor Roosevelt - (1844-1962) - First Lady, Pete Rose -
> (1941-present) - Baseball Player, Babe Ruth - (1895-1948) -
> Baseball Legend, Nolan Ryan - (1947-present) - Baseball Player,
> Muhammad Anwar al-Sadat - (1918-1981) - Egyptian President, Nobel
> Peace Prize Winner in 1976, George C. Scott - (1927-1999) - Actor,
> George Bernard Shaw - (1856-1950)-Author, Will Smith - Actor,
> Rapper, Entertainer, Tom Smothers - (1937-present) - Actor, Singer,
> Entertainer, Socrates - (469-399 B.C.) - Philosopher, Suzanne
> Somers - (1946-present) - Actress, Steven Spielberg -
> (1946-present) - Filmmaker, Sylvester Stallone - (1946-present) -
> Actor, Jackie Stewart - (1939-present) - Grand Prix Hall of Famer,
> James Stewart - (1908-1997) - Actor, Henry David Thoreau -
> (1817-1862) - Author,(Lev Nikolayevich) Leo Tolstoy - (1828-1910)
> - Russian Author (Flunked out of college), Alberto Tomba -
> (1966-present) - Italian Alpine Ski Champion, Vincent van Gogh -
> (1853-1890) - Artist, Jules Verne - (1828-1905) - Author, Werner
> von Braun - (1912-1977) - Rocket Scientist, Flunked 9th grade
> algebra, Lindsay Wagner - (1949-present) - Actress (Bionic Woman),
> Gen. William C. Westmoreland - (1914-present) - Military (Vietnam
> Era), Robin Williams - (1952-present) - Comedian, Woodrow Wilson
> - (1856-1924) - U. S. President, Henry Winkler - (1945-present)
> - Actor (Fonzie), Stevie Wonder - (1950-present ) - Musician, F.
> W. Woolworth - (1852-1919) - Department Store Innovator (While
> working in a dry goods store at 21, his employers wouldn't let him wait
> on a customer because he "Didn't have enough sense.") Frank Lloyd
> Wright - (1867-1959) - Architect, Orville Wright - (1871-1948)
> - Airplane Developer, Wilber Wright - (1867-1912) - Airplane
> Developer, William Wrigley, Jr. - (1933-1999) - Chewing Gum Maker,
> William Butler Yeats - (1865-1939) Irish Author.
> (http://www.becalmd.biz/5495/famous.htm)
>
> Maybe you and your doctor brothers should do some reading and research.
But haven't you just supported my argument? Single mother of boys who
are probably just energetic NORMAL boys. Society seems to want to
feminise boys. My son is 11 years old and also "bounces of walls"
occasionally. Instead of medicating his normal behaviour like 20% of
his schoolmates (all boys), he plays tennis and does kids aerobics. It
takes more work raising boys, but medicine is not the answer. I
disagree with most of what Tom Cruise says, but on the topic of
medicating kids, he is correct!
Linda[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Linda wrote:
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| adhd_kidsmom@yahoo.com 2005-07-12, 11:12 pm |
| Geez, do you have trouble reading since you had Lasik? No, I have not
supported your "argument," which isn't an argument at all, but a
completely uninformed personal opinion backed up by your personal
experience with one "normal" child. Your normally active child
"occasionally" bounces off the walls. It's a completely different story
when a child is on superhyperoverdrive all his waking hours. Without
medication, there is no ability to focus during any of those hours when
your "normal" child is behaving normally, when he is not bouncing off
the walls. Without medication, these children often struggle in school,
have little ability to participate in group sports or other activities,
and begin a pattern of failure that follows them throughout their
school years and into adult life. No amount of discipline, love or
behavior modification can reach them if they cannot focus long enough
to get the message.
Hyperactivity is only one aspect of ADHD, and unless you've experienced
the whole gamut from learning disabilities to impulsivity to depression
caused by being obviously out of sync with everyone else, you have no
background by which to determine what is or is not appropriate. If your
child was diabetic, or had grand mal seizures, would you not medicate
him because Tom Cruise says you shouldn't medicate children? What
hogwash! Instead of listening to Tom Cruise, READ THE SCIENTIFIC
LITERATURE. The brain chemistry and anatomy of ADHD individuals is
markedly different from "normal" individuals, it's been shown
repeatedly in research studies and brain mapping.
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| Linda 2005-07-12, 11:12 pm |
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adhd_kidsmom@yahoo.com wrote:
> Geez, do you have trouble reading since you had Lasik? No, I have not
> supported your "argument," which isn't an argument at all, but a
> completely uninformed personal opinion backed up by your personal
> experience with one "normal" child. Your normally active child
> "occasionally" bounces off the walls. It's a completely different story
> when a child is on superhyperoverdrive all his waking hours. Without
> medication, there is no ability to focus during any of those hours when
> your "normal" child is behaving normally, when he is not bouncing off
> the walls. Without medication, these children often struggle in school,
> have little ability to participate in group sports or other activities,
> and begin a pattern of failure that follows them throughout their
> school years and into adult life. No amount of discipline, love or
> behavior modification can reach them if they cannot focus long enough
> to get the message.
>
> Hyperactivity is only one aspect of ADHD, and unless you've experienced
> the whole gamut from learning disabilities to impulsivity to depression
> caused by being obviously out of sync with everyone else, you have no
> background by which to determine what is or is not appropriate. If your
> child was diabetic, or had grand mal seizures, would you not medicate
> him because Tom Cruise says you shouldn't medicate children? What
> hogwash! Instead of listening to Tom Cruise, READ THE SCIENTIFIC
> LITERATURE. The brain chemistry and anatomy of ADHD individuals is
> markedly different from "normal" individuals, it's been shown
> repeatedly in research studies and brain mapping.
Don't get me wrong, I have sympathy for people in your position. Sole
parenting must be really hard. And just for the record, I believe that
Tom Cruise is a nutcase! However it beggars belief that so many
children are in the grip of an epidemic that requires them to be
medicated on mass. Can you supply links to the scientific studies about
the brain chemistry of ADHD sufferers? As far as I knew, all evidence
has been debunked.
Linda
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| serebel 2005-07-12, 11:12 pm |
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adhd_kidsmom@yahoo.com wrote:
READ THE SCIENTIFIC
> LITERATURE. The brain chemistry and anatomy of ADHD individuals is
> markedly different from "normal" individuals, it's been shown
> repeatedly in research studies and brain mapping.
This doesn't mean you automatically turn to drugs for ADHD. That's just
a copout, boom- ritalin. You posted previously some long gone people
who purportedly had ADHD, who "brain mapped" them?
If we were to go by slight differences in brain chemistry or anatomy,
half the planet would be drugged up.
SErebel
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| Linda 2005-07-12, 11:12 pm |
|
serebel wrote:
> adhd_kidsmom@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> READ THE SCIENTIFIC
>
>
> This doesn't mean you automatically turn to drugs for ADHD. That's just
> a copout, boom- ritalin. You posted previously some long gone people
> who purportedly had ADHD, who "brain mapped" them?
> If we were to go by slight differences in brain chemistry or anatomy,
> half the planet would be drugged up.
>
> SErebel
And the kids don't get a choice. In some parts of the U.S isn't it
manadatory to use these drugs if the child has been "diagnosed"? I
think that was one of the scariest articles I have ever read!
Linda
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| Linda 2005-07-12, 11:12 pm |
| Sorry should read "mandatory"
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| serebel 2005-07-12, 11:12 pm |
| Yup, it's true. For no good reason other than parents and school
systems refuse to do their jobs. Personnally,I think it's the parents
who should have to take the drugs.
SErebel
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| Linda 2005-07-12, 11:12 pm |
|
serebel wrote:
> Yup, it's true. For no good reason other than parents and school
> systems refuse to do their jobs. Personnally,I think it's the parents
> who should have to take the drugs.
>
> SErebel
My husband runs a football clinic every Sunday. The amount of parents
who say to him "oh my son/dughter has ADHD so you will have trouble
with them". My husband is yet to find any of these children difficult
to handle. The clinic has good systems in place where the kids are kept
active and involved. Bad behaviour is not tolerated and the kids know
it! Any overly physical behaviour is dealt with by giving the child an
activity that involves some exertion (e.g handball, running, jumping,
etc.)It's not rocket science. Our son is very active and very talkative
and at times I could cheerfully strangle him, but he is a normal boy. I
fear we are medicating normal behaviour.
Linda
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| Sandy 2005-07-12, 11:12 pm |
| Wow, that is really unfair and insensitive. I have an ADHD child, and
from before he was even born he was way more active than his siblings.
He nursed nearly constantly, literally climbed onto and jumped off of
everything, (he was the only one of the three who ever had stitches),
escaped down the street whenever we failed to latch the bolt at the
very top of the front door, wrote on the walls and doors, swung on the
chandelier, disrupted all of the kids in his school classrooms, and
doesn't have the patience to write better than a first grader now that
he's in 8th grade. He hates to read--has to be in action constantly.
This has nothing to do with discipline or lack of a father being
present. He's my third child and gets way more "discipline" and
requires far more attentiveness on our part than the other two ever
did. He has a very attentive father at home, who, now that we know the
symptoms, also has ADHD and hated school. We wanted to have four
kids, but I knew I couldn't handle another like this child, and we
stopped.
He was on medication for two years and did far better in school--all
Bs and Cs. This past year, no meds. Two Fs, (math and language
arts), one D, (science), two Cs and an A in PE. He'll be on
medication again come fall. I want him to complete high school and not
suffer from depression and low self esteem, which follow the bad
grades, detentions, Saturday school, etc. He's in summer school and
HATES his life right now. I don't want him to have another bad year
like this past one. Unmedicated, his impulsivity costs him
friendships. He gets moved to a classroom table to sit alone, where
he can't distract the other kids as much. He is extremely sensitive
and suffers terrible funks that last all day when he is humilated in
these ways. More blows to his fragile self-esteem.
His father hating being confined in a classroom so much that he decided
on a career which allows him to roam outdoors and never be stuck in an
office. We are launching another business soon for my son and his
brother to run when they are old enough, because we are very concerned
about his future. Without a college degree or two, he will not be able
to afford to support himself by working for someone else and I doubt
he'll go to college. Our school system is just pushing him on
through--they pass him with Fs just to avoid the cost of the help he
needs.
He was diagnosed with ADHD in kindergarten and we tried just about
everything--neurofeedback, psychology, psychiatry, vision therapy,
diet, etc. Nothing helped him sit still and concentrate in school,
until we tried medication several YEARS later. We avoided it for as
long as we could, but his self-esteem was the cost. The medication
wears completely off by the early evening and he is not "less of
himself" during the day. His medication is actually a stimulant--not a
depressant. It just helps him focus and concentrate. The only
drawback for him is that it takes away his appetite for lunch and he is
already a thin kid. That bothers me far more than it bothers him, but
that's how moms are.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention how he terrified me by darting everywhere
when he was little. Darting out into the street, darting under
clothing racks in stores---this kid scared the daylights out of me more
times than I care to remember.
Where does ADHD come from and why is there so much of it? Maybe from
the chemicals our children are being exposed to--maybe the processed
foods we eat while pregnant. I don't have the answers. I am just
trying to give my child the best chance at being a self-sufficient
adult, based on what works best for him and him alone. I don't want to
make him fit into the same box that all the other kids do. I want him
to have the same opportunities in life, and part of those will be
determined by the education he gets.
I'm sure that there are many kids out there diagnosed with a disorder
they don't have and that is awful, but for the kids who really have
ADHD, the medications truly help them function better.
Okay, Christopher/Ragnar, will you launch the first attack on me for
this post?
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| Ragnar 2005-07-12, 11:12 pm |
| On 12 Jul 2005 19:59:32 -0700, "Sandy" <sandy@savvysneaks.com> wrote:
>Wow, that is really unfair and insensitive. I have an ADHD child, and
>from before he was even born he was way more active than his siblings.
>He nursed nearly constantly, literally climbed onto and jumped off of
>everything, (he was the only one of the three who ever had stitches),
>escaped down the street whenever we failed to latch the bolt at the
>very top of the front door, wrote on the walls and doors, swung on the
>chandelier, disrupted all of the kids in his school classrooms, and
>doesn't have the patience to write better than a first grader now that
>he's in 8th grade. He hates to read--has to be in action constantly.
>
>This has nothing to do with discipline or lack of a father being
>present. He's my third child and gets way more "discipline" and
>requires far more attentiveness on our part than the other two ever
>did. He has a very attentive father at home, who, now that we know the
>symptoms, also has ADHD and hated school. We wanted to have four
>kids, but I knew I couldn't handle another like this child, and we
>stopped.
>
>He was on medication for two years and did far better in school--all
>Bs and Cs. This past year, no meds. Two Fs, (math and language
>arts), one D, (science), two Cs and an A in PE. He'll be on
>medication again come fall. I want him to complete high school and not
>suffer from depression and low self esteem, which follow the bad
>grades, detentions, Saturday school, etc. He's in summer school and
>HATES his life right now. I don't want him to have another bad year
>like this past one. Unmedicated, his impulsivity costs him
>friendships. He gets moved to a classroom table to sit alone, where
>he can't distract the other kids as much. He is extremely sensitive
>and suffers terrible funks that last all day when he is humilated in
>these ways. More blows to his fragile self-esteem.
>
>His father hating being confined in a classroom so much that he decided
>on a career which allows him to roam outdoors and never be stuck in an
>office. We are launching another business soon for my son and his
>brother to run when they are old enough, because we are very concerned
>about his future. Without a college degree or two, he will not be able
>to afford to support himself by working for someone else and I doubt
>he'll go to college. Our school system is just pushing him on
>through--they pass him with Fs just to avoid the cost of the help he
>needs.
>
>He was diagnosed with ADHD in kindergarten and we tried just about
>everything--neurofeedback, psychology, psychiatry, vision therapy,
>diet, etc. Nothing helped him sit still and concentrate in school,
>until we tried medication several YEARS later. We avoided it for as
>long as we could, but his self-esteem was the cost. The medication
>wears completely off by the early evening and he is not "less of
>himself" during the day. His medication is actually a stimulant--not a
>depressant. It just helps him focus and concentrate. The only
>drawback for him is that it takes away his appetite for lunch and he is
>already a thin kid. That bothers me far more than it bothers him, but
>that's how moms are.
>
>Oh yeah, I forgot to mention how he terrified me by darting everywhere
>when he was little. Darting out into the street, darting under
>clothing racks in stores---this kid scared the daylights out of me more
>times than I care to remember.
>
>Where does ADHD come from and why is there so much of it? Maybe from
>the chemicals our children are being exposed to--maybe the processed
>foods we eat while pregnant. I don't have the answers. I am just
>trying to give my child the best chance at being a self-sufficient
>adult, based on what works best for him and him alone. I don't want to
>make him fit into the same box that all the other kids do. I want him
>to have the same opportunities in life, and part of those will be
>determined by the education he gets.
>
>I'm sure that there are many kids out there diagnosed with a disorder
>they don't have and that is awful, but for the kids who really have
>ADHD, the medications truly help them function better.
>
>Okay, Christopher/Ragnar, will you launch the first attack on me for
>this post?
Not at all. I pity all your kids.
Incidentally, I recently heard that the chemicals in the plastics used
in making baby bottles anti-bacterial, etc. cause various problems
with infants, especially males.
A screwed up kid is usually the product of lousy parenting.
I am impressed that you didn't try to attribute your son's problems to
your LASIK surgery.
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CatmanX wrote:
> Holy XXXX, you really don't want my take on this? Do You?
>
> Doctors that can prescribe, will prescribe. Sort of like Lasik. Can
> ablate, will ablate.
>
> Boys outrank girls for learning disorders 10:1. The language centre
> (Wernicke's area) is hard-wired in boys at age 5, whereas in girls the
> age is 12-13. It is set by testosterone, thus, by the time we are
> expected to learn visual codes, boys with learning disabilities are not
> able to have the right brain take over languag efunction, where girls
> are.
>
> As far as ADD goes, there are 2 types: firstly the real ADD, where the
> mum will not let the kid out of her sight, and Ritalin or Dex is
> prescribed as a last resort. Second is the single mother, who is more
> interested in her next boyfriend and wants the child labelled as ADD.
> Now he has a "disease" and it is not her fault. The best treatment is
> to smack the kids bum and to also smack the Mums face. The kid has an
> attention problem, not an attentional problem.
>
> Doctors are too stupid to work out the difference and paediatricians
> are too stupid to work out the difference.
>
> dr grant (paediatric optometrist to the stars)
Hi Grant,
When my son started school (Catholic local school which you probably
know of) I was in the staff room with about 20 other parents. They were
discussing a fish oil type product which was supposedly great for
treating ADHD. I realised that of all the parents in the room, there
was only 1 or 2 of us that DIDN'T have a child who has ADHD ????!!!! My
son can be a pain in the arse at times and is overly talkative, but
it's normal for chrissakes!!! He can also be hyperactive a lot of the
time. HE IS A BOY! Let's just let them grow up and not put adult
expectations on their behaviour all the time!
Regards,
Linda
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| CatmanX 2005-07-13, 9:04 am |
| St Pat's or St Mary's?
The difference is that ADD is a normal end of the spectrum. It is just
that we expect all kids to sit still for 6 hours per day at 5yo. Kids
who can't sit still get labelled with ADD. The issue here is why do we
expect everyone to be a great reader and every student must go to
university. Where are the tradesmen and skilled workers?
While ADD does exist, it is not in the quantity prescribed for and the
treatment should be aimed at teaching the kids to concentrate as well
as using the things they are good at to bolster their confidence.
I am eternally dismayed with the number of parents willing to leave
their kids on speed for extended periods and using it as an excuse for
their own failings.
Yes, let them be kids, let them tear about and wear themselves out and
not make a federal issue of attention is class.\
grant
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| I am dismayed by Linda's postings on ADHD. Her rhetoric against ADHD
sounds to me like she has been a good anti-LASIK student--"show me one
study that proves blah blah." Gimme a break. To deny that a condition
exists at all is outrageous and analogous to people who completely deny
or downplay LASIK complications.
Yes, there are awful parents out there who use all sorts of things as
"crutches"--ADHD, television, video games etc. Yes, probably many
children are over-diagnosed. But many good parents are dealing with
issues that far exceed Linda's normal boy and his rambunctious behavior.
To simply blame parents is shortsighted (trying to keep on topic here  )
As to Grant's comments about having similar expectations for all
children--I agree with you. Much more must be done to accommodate all
different kids of learning styles and give opportunities for children to
excel at their strengths, and to teach them coping skills for their
weaknesses. A great book I would recommend to you all is "A Mind at A
Time" by Mel Levine (his other book "The Myth of Laziness" is good too).
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...qid=1121269644/
sr=8-2/ref=pd_bbs_ur_2/103-9341585-6448643?v=glance&s=books&n=507846>
Editorial Reviews
Amazon.com
Recognizing each child's intellectual, emotional, and physical
strengths--and teaching directly to these strengths--is key to sculpting
"a mind at a time," according to Dr. Mel Levine. While this flashing
yellow light will not surprise many skilled educators, limited resources
often prevent them from shifting their instructional gears. But to
teachers and parents whose children face daily humiliation at school,
the author bellows, "Try harder!" A professor of pediatrics at the
University of North Carolina Medical School, Levine eloquently
substantiates his claim that developmental growth deserves the same
monitoring as a child's physical growth.
Tales of creative, clumsy, impulsive, nerdy, intuitive, loud-mouthed,
and painfully shy kids help Levine define eight specific mind systems
(attention, memory, language, spatial ordering, sequential ordering,
motor, higher thinking, and social thinking). Levine also incorporates
scientific research to show readers how the eight neurodevelopmental
systems evolve, interact, and contribute to a child's success in school.
Detailed steps describe how mental processes (like problem solving) work
for capable kids, and how they can be finessed to serve those who
struggle. Clear, practical suggestions for fostering self-monitoring
skills and building self-esteem add the most important elements to this
essential--yet challenging--program for "raisin' brain." --Liane Thomas
--This text refers to the Hardcover edition.
From Publishers Weekly
Children have different ways of learning, argues Levine, a professor of
pediatrics at the university of North Carolina Medical School and
director of its Clinical Center for the Study of Development and
Learning, so why do schools behave as though a one-size-fits-all
education will work for everyone? Like Howard Gardner's Frames of Mind:
The Theory of Multiple Intelligences (1983), Levine's book argues that
our educational shortsightedness results in a loss of human potential on
a grand scale, as kids who don't fit the mold are misclassified,
stigmatized and then fail. If educators could assess differences more
intelligently and redesign educational models to account for these
differences, they would radically improve people's prospects for success
in and out of school. Based on his work with children who have learning
or behavioral problems, Levine has isolated eight areas of learning (the
memory system, the language system, the spatial ordering system, the
motor system, etc.). He provides chapters describing how each type of
learning works and advises parents and teachers on how to help kids
struggling in these areas. Levine emphasizes that all minds have some
areas of giftedness and pleads for educators to "make a firm social and
political commitment to neurodevelopmental pluralism." Such a plea may
seem daunting, but Levine's compassionate, accessible text, framed
around actual case studies, makes it seem do-able. This is a must-read
for parents and educators who want to understand and improve the school
lives of children.
--
~RT
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| serebel 2005-07-13, 11:13 pm |
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No one denys the existance of ADHD. The problem is it is "diagnosed"
way too often. Then, it's automatically medicated. That's the big
copout of the millenia. Turn the little guy into a drugged out zombie
while his brain is still developing, yeah, that makes perfect sense.
Ever wonder why there are a lot more young adults having nervous
breakdowns than there were just twenty years ago?
SErebel
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