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Lasik Complications

2005-07-09, 12:17 pm

I had lasik to both eyes in June of 2004, with disastrous
complications. Prior to surgery, my vision was correcting to 20/15
both eyes and I had trace cataracts both eyes. After surgery, I
immediately lost my close up and intermediate vision. My right eye
corrected to 20/20 and my left eye was overcorrected and I could see
nothing near or far, everything was fuzzy. 4 days after lasik, my
vision started regressing and the doctor told me that it appeared that
both my eyes had over reacted to the laser. Within 3 months my eyes
started burning terribly and I could not sleep without ambien. A year
later, I have had to retire, can no longer work because I am unable to
sleep even with sleep medication, I only sleep 1 to 3 hours a night and
am unable to drive due to my lack of sleep. I do not want to endanger
anyone's life if I were to get behind the wheel of the car. My eyes
are extremely dry, I have lost most of my eyelashes because my tear
glands are clogged and I no longer have normal tears. I have constant
headaches which no amount of pain medication helps. I had torn
shoulder rotator cuff surgery about 5 months before my lasik and I am
told that this is the most painful surgery you can have, no the lasik
burning eyes are worse. Since the surgery, I have now found out that I
was not a good candidate, unfortunately I trusted my doctor and he did
not tell me the truth. There were at least 6 to 7 red flags that the
doctor should have caught and told me about. 1. Trace cataracts both
eyes, 2. very dry eyes, 3. instability of prescription changed about 3
or 4 times in 9 months, 4. high prescription in my left eye, 5. large
pupils, 6. my age put me in a higher risk factor. All the problems
that I started having after lasik, my doctor has questioned and now
states that it is all mental. It is NOT!! Most women wear make up and
see their faces and eyes daily, most of my lashes are gone. My eyelids
are starting to droop and I specifically asked my doctor about this and
he said that it had never happened to anyone. My left eye which is my
dominant eye is completely ruined and my doctor insists on re-lasering
it. No way! If he could not get it right the first time, what makes
him think he will get it right the next time. My eyes are so dry and I
get sharp stabbing pains around my eyes, in my head. I now believe
that damage was done to my optic nerves because the optic nerves are
directly connected to the thalamus and the hypothalamus in the brain.
The thalamus is the pain control center in the brain. I have taken up
to 12 naproxen at one time for pain, up to 8 ultram or ultrace, up to
10 tylenol and nothing helps. Prior to lasik, I would take 1 aspirin
and everything would clear up. Prior to lasik, for my shoulder
surgery, I would take 1 ultram and I would sleep for 4 hours straight,
no pain. There has to be something wrong with the thalumus. Prior to
lasik, I always slept a good 8 to 10 hours every night. I rarely
watched the 10 p.m. news because I would fall asleep. After lasik,
even ambien or resistoril do not help. ONe night I was desperate and
took 9 ambien. A ambien should put a horse to sleep for 1 week, I only
slept about 3 hours. Something is wrong between my optic nerve and my
thalumus and hypothalumus. Think about it, the eyes are connected
directly to the brain and if something goes wrong, how can anyone know
how far the laser light goes and does damage? If a laser pointer can
be pointed at someone's eyes and blind them, imagine what a greater
strength laser can do? Having lasik surgery has been the worst mistake
of my life. I have tried approximately 13 anti depressants without any
success as most of them make my eyes drier and I sleep even less. My
life is ruined, unfortunately I am not the only one paying the price.
My husband is ill and now his life is ruined. These were supposed to be
our golden years, where we were going to travel, go fishing, take it
easy, but because a doctor was so greedy he did not tell me the truth
about my impending lasik failure, others are also paying the price, my
sons, my daughter in law, my sisters, my father, my friends, my
neighbors. I have been hospitalized 4 times in the past year and I am
still not doing any better. This is so true that it is scary. I feel
that I have been and am still in hell for the past year. Money (greed)
is the root of all evil and this is so true. The American public
should be aware that with lasik surgery there is a mass human
experiment going on and only the future will tell how many people will
be disabled due to the greediness of doctors. Oh, and to try to ease
his conscience, the doctor sent me a huge plant with a get well card
and a gift basket from the coffee emporium, provided me with 2 pairs of
glasses at his cost and this last pair he did not charge me. The
doctor knows deep in his heart that he made a mistake and he is
probably afraid of a lawsuit. Lawsuit? If it were in my power, I want
the whole world to know what can really happen with lasik surgery. Why
on earth I allowed a man calling himself a doctor to play God with my
eyes and cut and burn them, I will never know. I pray that God watch
over others that are considering lasik and have them research it before
they do it. As for me, it is too late and it has completely ruined my
life, I had a wonderful life and I just now exist form day to day.
Remember, you only have one pair of eyes and lasik is major, major
surgery. Do not risk your God given blessings.

Linda

2005-07-09, 12:17 pm

Lasik Complications wrote:
> I had lasik to both eyes in June of 2004, with disastrous
> complications. Prior to surgery, my vision was correcting to 20/15
> both eyes and I had trace cataracts both eyes. After surgery, I
> immediately lost my close up and intermediate vision. My right eye
> corrected to 20/20 and my left eye was overcorrected and I could see
> nothing near or far, everything was fuzzy. 4 days after lasik, my
> vision started regressing and the doctor told me that it appeared that
> both my eyes had over reacted to the laser. Within 3 months my eyes
> started burning terribly and I could not sleep without ambien. A year
> later, I have had to retire, can no longer work because I am unable to
> sleep even with sleep medication, I only sleep 1 to 3 hours a night and
> am unable to drive due to my lack of sleep. I do not want to endanger
> anyone's life if I were to get behind the wheel of the car. My eyes
> are extremely dry, I have lost most of my eyelashes because my tear
> glands are clogged and I no longer have normal tears. I have constant
> headaches which no amount of pain medication helps. I had torn
> shoulder rotator cuff surgery about 5 months before my lasik and I am
> told that this is the most painful surgery you can have, no the lasik
> burning eyes are worse. Since the surgery, I have now found out that I
> was not a good candidate, unfortunately I trusted my doctor and he did
> not tell me the truth. There were at least 6 to 7 red flags that the
> doctor should have caught and told me about. 1. Trace cataracts both
> eyes, 2. very dry eyes, 3. instability of prescription changed about 3
> or 4 times in 9 months, 4. high prescription in my left eye, 5. large
> pupils, 6. my age put me in a higher risk factor. All the problems
> that I started having after lasik, my doctor has questioned and now
> states that it is all mental. It is NOT!! Most women wear make up and
> see their faces and eyes daily, most of my lashes are gone. My eyelids
> are starting to droop and I specifically asked my doctor about this and
> he said that it had never happened to anyone. My left eye which is my
> dominant eye is completely ruined and my doctor insists on re-lasering
> it. No way! If he could not get it right the first time, what makes
> him think he will get it right the next time. My eyes are so dry and I
> get sharp stabbing pains around my eyes, in my head. I now believe
> that damage was done to my optic nerves because the optic nerves are
> directly connected to the thalamus and the hypothalamus in the brain.
> The thalamus is the pain control center in the brain. I have taken up
> to 12 naproxen at one time for pain, up to 8 ultram or ultrace, up to
> 10 tylenol and nothing helps. Prior to lasik, I would take 1 aspirin
> and everything would clear up. Prior to lasik, for my shoulder
> surgery, I would take 1 ultram and I would sleep for 4 hours straight,
> no pain. There has to be something wrong with the thalumus. Prior to
> lasik, I always slept a good 8 to 10 hours every night. I rarely
> watched the 10 p.m. news because I would fall asleep. After lasik,
> even ambien or resistoril do not help. ONe night I was desperate and
> took 9 ambien. A ambien should put a horse to sleep for 1 week, I only
> slept about 3 hours. Something is wrong between my optic nerve and my
> thalumus and hypothalumus. Think about it, the eyes are connected
> directly to the brain and if something goes wrong, how can anyone know
> how far the laser light goes and does damage? If a laser pointer can
> be pointed at someone's eyes and blind them, imagine what a greater
> strength laser can do? Having lasik surgery has been the worst mistake
> of my life. I have tried approximately 13 anti depressants without any
> success as most of them make my eyes drier and I sleep even less. My
> life is ruined, unfortunately I am not the only one paying the price.
> My husband is ill and now his life is ruined. These were supposed to be
> our golden years, where we were going to travel, go fishing, take it
> easy, but because a doctor was so greedy he did not tell me the truth
> about my impending lasik failure, others are also paying the price, my
> sons, my daughter in law, my sisters, my father, my friends, my
> neighbors. I have been hospitalized 4 times in the past year and I am
> still not doing any better. This is so true that it is scary. I feel
> that I have been and am still in hell for the past year. Money (greed)
> is the root of all evil and this is so true. The American public
> should be aware that with lasik surgery there is a mass human
> experiment going on and only the future will tell how many people will
> be disabled due to the greediness of doctors. Oh, and to try to ease
> his conscience, the doctor sent me a huge plant with a get well card
> and a gift basket from the coffee emporium, provided me with 2 pairs of
> glasses at his cost and this last pair he did not charge me. The
> doctor knows deep in his heart that he made a mistake and he is
> probably afraid of a lawsuit. Lawsuit? If it were in my power, I want
> the whole world to know what can really happen with lasik surgery. Why
> on earth I allowed a man calling himself a doctor to play God with my
> eyes and cut and burn them, I will never know. I pray that God watch
> over others that are considering lasik and have them research it before
> they do it. As for me, it is too late and it has completely ruined my
> life, I had a wonderful life and I just now exist form day to day.
> Remember, you only have one pair of eyes and lasik is major, major
> surgery. Do not risk your God given blessings.

Hi, I will assume that this is a genuine post. Have you tried a 2nd
opinion? This would be the 1st thing I would do. Also, you seem to be
consuming vast amounts of anti depressants and pain killers. This alone
could account for some of your complications and also your state of
mind. If your don't mind me asking, why were you hospitalised? Lasik
complications generally do not require hospitalisation, so I am
assuming that you were hospitalised for depression type reasons. I can
relate to yoru comments about the brain and the optic nerve as my
tumour directly relates to this area and even the smallest thing can
upset the balance. Another point in your post that is very important to
people who are considering Lasik is that you found out AFTER your
surgery that you were not a good candidate. How could this happen? Did
you do any research? This is the one area of medicine where I
researched heavily before going ahead. Please go and see another
opthalmologist. There are people on this NG that could recommend really
great ones. Glenn is not popular amongst the anti-Lasik people here,
but he would know of good surgeons if you ask him. Doctors are not in
the habit of trying to ruin people's lives. I know this because my
brothers are doctors. Assuming that your surgeon was amongst the tiny
percentage that are not ethical, there are many thousands that would be
willing to help you. Good luck and try not to let this ruin your life
any further.
Regards,
Linda

serebel

2005-07-09, 12:17 pm

This post has a familiar ring to it, like I read this somewhere before.
A lot of what's posted doesn't make sense. The optic nerve thing for
one, the amount of pain meds and especially the "9 ambien" taken at one
time. If one takes that much tylenol, ultram, or naproxen in those
doses you would destroy your stomach and liver in short order.

SErebel

Ragnar

2005-07-09, 12:17 pm

First of all, I don't believe your story at all, second your post
below is loaded with incorrect information, third, why did you have
lasik to begin with?

If you had cataracts before surgery and your surgeon did the surgery
anyway, that surgeon belongs in prison. Does this surgeon have a
name?

Let me repeat that I don't believe your tale below.

On 8 Jul 2005 14:22:26 -0700, "Lasik Complications"
<galin99do@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I had lasik to both eyes in June of 2004, with disastrous
>complications. Prior to surgery, my vision was correcting to 20/15
>both eyes and I had trace cataracts both eyes. After surgery, I
>immediately lost my close up and intermediate vision. My right eye
>corrected to 20/20 and my left eye was overcorrected and I could see
>nothing near or far, everything was fuzzy. 4 days after lasik, my
>vision started regressing and the doctor told me that it appeared that
>both my eyes had over reacted to the laser. Within 3 months my eyes
>started burning terribly and I could not sleep without ambien. A year
>later, I have had to retire, can no longer work because I am unable to
>sleep even with sleep medication, I only sleep 1 to 3 hours a night and
>am unable to drive due to my lack of sleep. I do not want to endanger
>anyone's life if I were to get behind the wheel of the car. My eyes
>are extremely dry, I have lost most of my eyelashes because my tear
>glands are clogged and I no longer have normal tears. I have constant
>headaches which no amount of pain medication helps. I had torn
>shoulder rotator cuff surgery about 5 months before my lasik and I am
>told that this is the most painful surgery you can have, no the lasik
>burning eyes are worse. Since the surgery, I have now found out that I
>was not a good candidate, unfortunately I trusted my doctor and he did
>not tell me the truth. There were at least 6 to 7 red flags that the
>doctor should have caught and told me about. 1. Trace cataracts both
>eyes, 2. very dry eyes, 3. instability of prescription changed about 3
>or 4 times in 9 months, 4. high prescription in my left eye, 5. large
>pupils, 6. my age put me in a higher risk factor. All the problems
>that I started having after lasik, my doctor has questioned and now
>states that it is all mental. It is NOT!! Most women wear make up and
>see their faces and eyes daily, most of my lashes are gone. My eyelids
>are starting to droop and I specifically asked my doctor about this and
>he said that it had never happened to anyone. My left eye which is my
>dominant eye is completely ruined and my doctor insists on re-lasering
>it. No way! If he could not get it right the first time, what makes
>him think he will get it right the next time. My eyes are so dry and I
>get sharp stabbing pains around my eyes, in my head. I now believe
>that damage was done to my optic nerves because the optic nerves are
>directly connected to the thalamus and the hypothalamus in the brain.
>The thalamus is the pain control center in the brain. I have taken up
>to 12 naproxen at one time for pain, up to 8 ultram or ultrace, up to
>10 tylenol and nothing helps. Prior to lasik, I would take 1 aspirin
>and everything would clear up. Prior to lasik, for my shoulder
>surgery, I would take 1 ultram and I would sleep for 4 hours straight,
>no pain. There has to be something wrong with the thalumus. Prior to
>lasik, I always slept a good 8 to 10 hours every night. I rarely
>watched the 10 p.m. news because I would fall asleep. After lasik,
>even ambien or resistoril do not help. ONe night I was desperate and
>took 9 ambien. A ambien should put a horse to sleep for 1 week, I only
>slept about 3 hours. Something is wrong between my optic nerve and my
>thalumus and hypothalumus. Think about it, the eyes are connected
>directly to the brain and if something goes wrong, how can anyone know
>how far the laser light goes and does damage? If a laser pointer can
>be pointed at someone's eyes and blind them, imagine what a greater
>strength laser can do? Having lasik surgery has been the worst mistake
>of my life. I have tried approximately 13 anti depressants without any
>success as most of them make my eyes drier and I sleep even less. My
>life is ruined, unfortunately I am not the only one paying the price.
>My husband is ill and now his life is ruined. These were supposed to be
>our golden years, where we were going to travel, go fishing, take it
>easy, but because a doctor was so greedy he did not tell me the truth
>about my impending lasik failure, others are also paying the price, my
>sons, my daughter in law, my sisters, my father, my friends, my
>neighbors. I have been hospitalized 4 times in the past year and I am
>still not doing any better. This is so true that it is scary. I feel
>that I have been and am still in hell for the past year. Money (greed)
>is the root of all evil and this is so true. The American public
>should be aware that with lasik surgery there is a mass human
>experiment going on and only the future will tell how many people will
>be disabled due to the greediness of doctors. Oh, and to try to ease
>his conscience, the doctor sent me a huge plant with a get well card
>and a gift basket from the coffee emporium, provided me with 2 pairs of
>glasses at his cost and this last pair he did not charge me. The
>doctor knows deep in his heart that he made a mistake and he is
>probably afraid of a lawsuit. Lawsuit? If it were in my power, I want
>the whole world to know what can really happen with lasik surgery. Why
>on earth I allowed a man calling himself a doctor to play God with my
>eyes and cut and burn them, I will never know. I pray that God watch
>over others that are considering lasik and have them research it before
>they do it. As for me, it is too late and it has completely ruined my
>life, I had a wonderful life and I just now exist form day to day.
>Remember, you only have one pair of eyes and lasik is major, major
>surgery. Do not risk your God given blessings.

blindedsailor

2005-07-09, 12:17 pm

You are a complete moron, SErebel. The class of drugs to which
ambien belongs do not cause stomach problems.

Can't you stop yammering about things you known nothing about
and have some compassion for this person?

"serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1120879666.372410.300580@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> This post has a familiar ring to it, like I read this somewhere before.
> A lot of what's posted doesn't make sense. The optic nerve thing for
> one, the amount of pain meds and especially the "9 ambien" taken at one
> time. If one takes that much tylenol, ultram, or naproxen in those
> doses you would destroy your stomach and liver in short order.
>
>
> SErebel
>

blindedsailor

2005-07-09, 12:17 pm

Lasik complication's story has the ring of truth. You're the one with the
credibility
problem, Ragnar. And nobody cares what you believe.

Nearly all LASIK surgeons belong in prison.

Let me repeat that you are the one with the credibility problem, Ragnar.

LAY OFF DAMAGED PATIENTS - YOUR BEHAVIOR IS IMMORAL.

"Ragnar" <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6aevc192l96o3a09091jmqscno9dpunj82@4ax.com...
> First of all, I don't believe your story at all, second your post
> below is loaded with incorrect information, third, why did you have
> lasik to begin with?
>
> If you had cataracts before surgery and your surgeon did the surgery
> anyway, that surgeon belongs in prison. Does this surgeon have a
> name?
>
> Let me repeat that I don't believe your tale below.
>
>
> On 8 Jul 2005 14:22:26 -0700, "Lasik Complications"
> <galin99do@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>

Lasikinformer

2005-07-09, 5:54 pm

Linda, most doctors are healers. LASIK surgeons are not healers. Hence the
popular lingo referring to them as 'butchers'.
They really are butchers.

Linda, how can LASIK surgeons be ethical and perform a surgery that has been
demonstrated to damage every eye it touches?
Reference to support this below:

Pathologic Findings in Postmortem Corneas After Successful Laser In Situ
Keratomileusis.

Cornea. 24(1):92-102, January 2005.

Kramer, Theresa R MD, MBA; Chuckpaiwong, Varintorn MD; Dawson, Daniel G MD;
L'Hernault, Nancy; Grossniklaus, Hans E MD; Edelhauser, Henry F PHD

Abstract:
Purpose: To examine the histologic and ultrastructural features of human
corneas after successful laser in situ keratomileusis (LASIK).

Methods: Corneas from 48 eyes of 25 postmortem patients were processed for
histology and transmission electron microscopy (TEM). The 25 patients had
LASIK between 3 months and 7 years prior to death. Evaluation of all 5
layers of the cornea and the LASIK flap interface region was done using
routine histology, periodic acid-Schiff (PAS)-stained specimens, toluidine
blue-stained thick sections, and TEM.

Results: In patients for whom visual acuity was known, the first
postoperative day uncorrected visual acuity was 20/15 to 20/30. In patients
for whom clinical records were available, the postoperative corneal
topography was normal and clinical examination showed a semicircular ring of
haze at the wound margin of the LASIK flap. Histologically, the LASIK flap
measured, on average, 142.7 [mu]m (range, 100-200). A spectrum of abnormal
histopathologic and ultrastructural findings was present in all corneas.
Findings at the flap surface included elongated basal epithelial cells,
epithelial hyperplasia, thickening and undulations of the epithelial
basement membrane (EBM), and undulations of Bowman's layer. Findings in or
adjacent to the wound included collagen lamellar disarray; activated
keratocytes; quiescent keratocytes with small vacuoles; epithelial ingrowth;
eosinophilic deposits; PAS-positive, electron-dense granular material
interspersed with randomly ordered collagen fibrils; increased spacing
between collagen fibrils; and widely spaced banded collagen. There was no
observable correlation between postoperative intervals and the severity or
type of pathologic change except for the accumulation the electron-dense
granular material.

Conclusions: Permanent pathologic changes were present in all post-LASIK
corneas. These changes were most prevalent in the lamellar interface wound.
These changes along with other pathologic alterations in post-LASIK corneas
may change the functionality of the cornea after LASIK.

"Linda" <djken@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:1120870148.794192.79490@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> Lasik Complications wrote:
>
> Hi, I will assume that this is a genuine post. Have you tried a 2nd
> opinion? This would be the 1st thing I would do. Also, you seem to be
> consuming vast amounts of anti depressants and pain killers. This alone
> could account for some of your complications and also your state of
> mind. If your don't mind me asking, why were you hospitalised? Lasik
> complications generally do not require hospitalisation, so I am
> assuming that you were hospitalised for depression type reasons. I can
> relate to yoru comments about the brain and the optic nerve as my
> tumour directly relates to this area and even the smallest thing can
> upset the balance. Another point in your post that is very important to
> people who are considering Lasik is that you found out AFTER your
> surgery that you were not a good candidate. How could this happen? Did
> you do any research? This is the one area of medicine where I
> researched heavily before going ahead. Please go and see another
> opthalmologist. There are people on this NG that could recommend really
> great ones. Glenn is not popular amongst the anti-Lasik people here,
> but he would know of good surgeons if you ask him. Doctors are not in
> the habit of trying to ruin people's lives. I know this because my
> brothers are doctors. Assuming that your surgeon was amongst the tiny
> percentage that are not ethical, there are many thousands that would be
> willing to help you. Good luck and try not to let this ruin your life
> any further.
> Regards,
> Linda
>

Glenn - USAEyes.org

2005-07-09, 10:54 pm

This study comes under the "well, duh" category. Of course there is
pathologic alterations in post-LASIK corneas. Of course a cornea after
LASIK is no longer functional as a donor cornea. Of course the
functionality of the cornea after LASIK in the living patient is
changed. That is the purpose of refractive surgery.

serebel

2005-07-09, 10:54 pm

blindedsailor wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> You are a complete moron, SErebel. The class of drugs to which
> ambien belongs do not cause stomach problems.
>
> Can't you stop yammering about things you known nothing about
> and have some compassion for this person?
>
> "serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1120879666.372410.300580@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Hey Stupid, I never said that ambien caused stomach problems. Read my
post again you illiterate!!!
Compassion for yet another bull story? I don't think so!!

SErebel

lasikinformer

2005-07-10, 11:51 am

So, you admit the purpose of refractive surgery is to ruin corneas so that
surgeons
and other profiteers like yourself can make a few bucks?

Those pathologic alterations that are demonstrated to occur in ALL LASIK
patients
are very serious. An increase in dense granule formation in the interface
over time
(the farther out you are from surgery, the more garbage you get in the
interface) doesn't
bode well for post-LASIKs... say 20 or 30 years out from surgery.

The cells in the that make cornea are still 'sick' many years after LASIK,
which is also
a concern. Post-LASIK corneal tissue is not healthy. That's what pathology
means, Glenn.
Every patient who has had LASIK has a sick, unhealthy cornea.

"Glenn - USAEyes.org" <glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org> wrote in message
news:tev0d1dtil76mnefcb96tk4jnf8ctkstuq@4ax.com...
> This study comes under the "well, duh" category. Of course there is
> pathologic alterations in post-LASIK corneas. Of course a cornea after
> LASIK is no longer functional as a donor cornea. Of course the
> functionality of the cornea after LASIK in the living patient is
> changed. That is the purpose of refractive surgery.

lasikinformer

2005-07-10, 11:51 am

Do you know that patient? Who are you to say that her story is bull? You're
just
like Glenn! You make totally unsupported claims. Have you seen this
patient's topographies
wavesscans and pre and post-op schirmer's results? I don't think so. So
you're in no position to judge.
There is also plenty of medical literature about nerve damage from
refractive surgery. Some
patients have permanent nerve pain.

"serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> blindedsailor wrote:
>
>
> Hey Stupid, I never said that ambien caused stomach problems. Read my
> post again you illiterate!!!
> Compassion for yet another bull story? I don't think so!!
>
> SErebel
>

Lasik Complications

2005-07-10, 11:52 am

Ragnar,
It is a shame that you do not believe my story. I agree with you, my
surgeon belongs in prison. HE does have a name and I had lasik because
he told me that I was a good candidate. I did not know all the
information that I now know until I started investigating after I had
the surgery. It has been the worst mistake of my life. They say that
truth is stranger than fiction. I know, it really sounds so
unbelieveable to be fiction, but unfortunately it is not and now my lie
is ruined, to the point that I have prayed every day for the past 11
months for the Good Lord to end my suffering. One psychiatrist that I
spoke to had never heard about lasik, but after reading information
that I provided him from the internet said he would never let anyone
touch his eyes. Another psychiatrist that I spoke to did not believe
it. Yes, I can understand that you do not believe, but it is the
complete truth. All that I can tell you is that by telling my friends
and ex-co-workers about what happened to me is that at least 30 people
who were considering lasik will not have it after all. Why?, because
they know me and believe me. I even spoke to a gentleman from New York
on the telephone and by speaking to him, he believed me. I just hope
that you do not have lasik. Good luck.

Ragnar wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> First of all, I don't believe your story at all, second your post
> below is loaded with incorrect information, third, why did you have
> lasik to begin with?
>
> If you had cataracts before surgery and your surgeon did the surgery
> anyway, that surgeon belongs in prison. Does this surgeon have a
> name?
>
> Let me repeat that I don't believe your tale below.
>
>
> On 8 Jul 2005 14:22:26 -0700, "Lasik Complications"
> <galin99do@hotmail.com> wrote:
>

Lasik Complications

2005-07-10, 11:52 am

Thank you for keeping an open mind about my lasik complications. If my
eye surgeon had told me that the surgery was considered experimental by
the FDA, I never would have had it. I am only grateful that my son and
daughter in law who were considering having lasik, have changed their
minds after seeing what I am going through. Also, at least 30 other
people that I know or know my friends have decided not to have lasik
after what I have told them has happened to me. I saw a grief
counselor in NOvember of last year who said she knows at least 50
friends who had lasik with minor problems and she was considering
having it, but after speaking with me and seeing the information that I
provided her from the internet she thanked me profusely and said she
would not have it. My family doctor who wears glasses said she wishes
thatI had never had it. My doctor told me that if a surgery has a
..0001 (percent) chance of complications and you are the one patient
with complications, then for you it is 100%. Too bad that doctors have
gotten greedy and have forgotten to heal the patient and not do harm.
Thank you again for keeping an open mind.

lasikinformer wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> Do you know that patient? Who are you to say that her story is bull? You're
> just
> like Glenn! You make totally unsupported claims. Have you seen this
> patient's topographies
> wavesscans and pre and post-op schirmer's results? I don't think so. So
> you're in no position to judge.
> There is also plenty of medical literature about nerve damage from
> refractive surgery. Some
> patients have permanent nerve pain.
>
>
> "serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1120960560.786215.88100@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Lasik Complications

2005-07-10, 11:52 am

Linda,
I was hospitalized the first time for extreme anxiety due to lack of
sleep. About 3 weeks later I was hospitalized for insomnia. I was
then hospitalized for taking too many sleeping pills and severe
depression. I have seen 2 other doctors for 2nd opinions. Doctors
that my eye doctor selected and they both agreed with my doctor that my
left eye should be retreated (enhanced). The first 2nd opinion doctor
is here in the same city and immediately agreed with me that I had dry
eyes after I had been complaining to my doctor about dry eye. The 3rd
doctor that I saw for a 2nd opinion was out of town and all he does is
lasik surgeries and of course he agreed also that my left eye should be
retreated ( enchanced). I also e-mailed Dr. Salz in Cedars Sinai in
Los Angeles and he advised me not to touch my corneas again because of
the cataracts. My biggest mistake, I did not research lasik prior to
having it. I completely trusted my doctor and my daughter-in-law told
me about approximately 20 people who had had it where she used to work
so I just let my self trust my doctor completely. Bad, bad mistake.
Doctors are human also and have all the same human defects. They may
not be in the habit of trying to ruin people's lives, but they can be
greedy and forget to do a complete and honest assessment of a patient.
Most of the information that I have now learned about is from other
lasik victims, people who were considered good candidates that had
lasik and had complications. I have communicated with them by e-mail
and by telephone. They are very real people and extremely helpful.
Linda, I have always been very religious and the Lord saved my life
almost 20 years ago when I had a ruptured tubal pregnancy. My doctor,
the emergency room doctor and the Good Lord saved my life. I was so
bad that I needed a transfusion of almost 5 pints of blood. I did not
get depressed. AFter 6 weeks I was back at work and functioning. My
husband and I worked most of our lives to save and enjoy our golden
years. My husband has congestive heart failure due to Agent Orange in
Vietnam and is now even more depressed with what is happening to me.
We are no longer able to enjoy our golden years. I rarely go out and
he has become even more depressed. Both our lives are ruined and I do
not think either one of us will be around for very long. Thank you
very much for your kind regards and I hope you get better

Lasik Complications

2005-07-10, 11:52 am

Blindedsailor:
Thank you for believing that I may be telling the truth. One favor
please, Ragnar may not believe because he probably has not had lasik or
does not personally know anyone who has had lasik complications.
In my heart I believe that Ragnar is entitled to his opinion. All my
life I have believed that if you cannot do good for someone, then do
not do harm to them, just stay away from them if you do not like them.
Ragnar is just as human as the rest of us and we all make mistakes.
Unfortunately, some mistakes like lasik cannot be made because it costs
too high a price.
AS for myself, I have no ill feelings for Ragnar because it is so
incredible to sound real. But how many incredible things happen in
life that many people still do not believe.
Thank you Blindedsailor.

blindedsailor wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> Lasik complication's story has the ring of truth. You're the one with the
> credibility
> problem, Ragnar. And nobody cares what you believe.
>
> Nearly all LASIK surgeons belong in prison.
>
> Let me repeat that you are the one with the credibility problem, Ragnar.
>
> LAY OFF DAMAGED PATIENTS - YOUR BEHAVIOR IS IMMORAL.
>
>
> "Ragnar" <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:6aevc192l96o3a09091jmqscno9dpunj82@4ax.com...

Sandy

2005-07-10, 11:52 am

Glenn - USAEyes.org wrote:
> This study comes under the "well, duh" category. Of course there is
> pathologic alterations in post-LASIK corneas. Of course a cornea after
> LASIK is no longer functional as a donor cornea. Of course the
> functionality of the cornea after LASIK in the living patient is
> changed. That is the purpose of refractive surgery.

Interesting how Hagele pops in to minimize the ramifications of lasik
surgery, but offers ZERO assistance/sympathy/understanding/references
to this patient.

Glenn - USAEyes.org

2005-07-10, 5:50 pm

I have made no comments regarding this patient, nor do I make
unsubstantiated claims.

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org

"Consider and Choose With Confidence"

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org

I am not a doctor.

Glenn - USAEyes.org

2005-07-10, 5:50 pm

It appears to me that the patient has a good understanding of the
physiology of the situation. I see no request for my assistance. If
the patient would like to utilize the services we provide, our
websites are below.

If truthful statements indicate that LASIK is a safe procedure by
medical standards, then I am minifying nothing.

BTW Keller, where did you offer
"assistance/sympathy/understanding/references"?

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org

"Consider and Choose With Confidence"

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org

I am not a doctor.

Glenn - USAEyes.org

2005-07-10, 5:50 pm

What a sad case you are. Any reasonably intelligent person can see
what I said, and not what you are attempting to twist my statement to
be.

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org

"Consider and Choose With Confidence"

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org

I am not a doctor.

serebel

2005-07-10, 10:50 pm

lasikinformer wrote:
> Do you know that patient? Who are you to say that her story is bull? You're
> just
> like Glenn! You make totally unsupported claims. Have you seen this
> patient's topographies
> wavesscans and pre and post-op schirmer's results? I don't think so. So
> you're in no position to judge.
> There is also plenty of medical literature about nerve damage from
> refractive surgery. Some
> patients have permanent nerve pain.
>
>
>

The same can be asked of you. Did you see the topos,wavescans,schirmer
results? Do you know this patient? You don't, so how can you say for
sure it's true?

SErebel

Richard

2005-07-11, 11:53 am

"lasikinformer" <lasikinformer@lasikinformer.com> wrote in
news:1121004925.0d41e8de0b7d95d03c0571c5c747b77b@teranews:

>
> "Glenn - USAEyes.org" <glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org> wrote in
> message news:tev0d1dtil76mnefcb96tk4jnf8ctkstuq@4ax.com...
>
> So, you admit the purpose of refractive surgery is to ruin corneas so
> that surgeons
> and other profiteers like yourself can make a few bucks?
>
> Those pathologic alterations that are demonstrated to occur in ALL
> LASIK patients
> are very serious. An increase in dense granule formation in the
> interface over time
> (the farther out you are from surgery, the more garbage you get in the
> interface) doesn't
> bode well for post-LASIKs... say 20 or 30 years out from surgery.
>
> The cells in the that make cornea are still 'sick' many years after
> LASIK, which is also
> a concern. Post-LASIK corneal tissue is not healthy. That's what
> pathology means, Glenn.
> Every patient who has had LASIK has a sick, unhealthy cornea.
>

I'll gladly keep my "unhealthy" corneas over my pre LASIK "healthy"
corneas thank you very much.

There is no question that some people have disastrous result from LASIK,
however, the vast majority of people who have LASIK do not suffer
disastrous results. There is no question that there are unethical people
out there who will perform LASIK on just about anyone, however there are
also plenty of surgeons who are conscientous in performing LASIK only on
good candidates.

--
Richard