Lasik Eyes Surgery - Imagine a truthful LASIK seminar

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Imagine a truthful LASIK seminar

Casey

2005-07-06, 10:58 pm

For new readers who haven't seen this essay...

Can You Imagine a Truthful LASIK Seminar?

"Good evening ladies and gentlemen. On the day of your surgery, I will first
stretch your eye open with a metal device that has the potential for causing
nerve and goblet cell damage. Your goblet cells make proteins that keep your
eyes lubricated. Ladies, remember how you were always told to be very gentle
with the tissue around your eyes? Forget that, I will stretch the daylights
out of it. You may have a sagging lid or eyes that don't close all the way
when I'm done.

Then I'll apply a huge amount of suction to pull up floaters and potentially
damage your retina and optic nerve! Next I will sever your corneal nerves
with a knife that often leaves metal debris behind in your eye for the rest
of your life. You will also have permanent nerve loss with the potential of
painful dry eye. I usually tell people this is temporary, if I tell them
about dry eye at all - but that's sure not true for everybody and I know it.
It is just so hard to tell who will have dry eye problems, and if I were
honest about the risks nobody would have surgery. Sometimes even really
young males who are not in what we surgeons consider a high-risk group get
it. I don't understand this at all, but it doesn't slow me down! You will
experience some dry eye for sure, and perhaps permanent dry eye. If not now,
maybe later in life when you get older, or go through menopause if you're
female. Females are at higher risk for dry eye anyway. I should probably
tell them all this, but that's bad for business too.

Oh, by the way...lots of junk gets left behind inside your flap. You can get
inflammation from this junk called DLK that could make you go blind! After I
have cut your corneal nerves, I will fry some more of them with an
imperfect, fluctuating laser device that isn't really designed to treat
something round like an eye. Your corrected area will be smaller usually
than I had hoped, especially if you have astigmatism and/or a high
correcton. But hey - they are your eyes and not mine. Corrected area too
small? Kiss your night vision goodbye! Whenever it is dark, you will have
some seriously bad vision.

Prominent doctors have stopped doing LASIK because they realized it has
problems, but I don't know what else to do with myself right now and I like
the money. I REALLY started pushing LASIK hard when medicare drastically cut
the reimbursement I would receive to do cataract surgery!

Where was I.... OH! After I fry your eyeball with the laser, I'll put the
flap back down and that's where random chance takes over. Sure, ALL patients
end up with a wrinkled flap that's sort of like a Ruffles potato chip. But
some people have VERY irregular healing that screws up their vision a lot.
It is impossible to tell with my lame tools (an aberrometer at best) if your
problem is underneath the flap or in the flap itself... so some people are
made WORSE in retreatment. For this and other reasons.

Hey, did I tell you that LASIK creates imperfections in your eye called
higher order aberrations? We don't really understand their impact on visual
quality fully, aside from the fact that many of you do have poor vision that
is associated with these larger higher order aberrations. Especially at
night. We give you those starbursts and halos that rob you of your enjoyment
of evening forever, right here in our clinic! If I tell you that wavefront
or custom wavefront doesn't increase these aberrations, on average - I'm
LYING! Shame on me! Yes, I know all about LASIK-induced aberrations, and was
just keeping it to myself because I know you would RUN SCREAMING if YOU
knew!

You won't be hearing me tell you about loss of contrast sensitivity
(everything is sort of dimmer and less distinct) but there are experts out
there who say that all patients have this after LASIK. I don't measure your
contrast sensitivity so that I can pretend it's not an issue. Good luck
finding things in dark drawers and closets. Also, your vision may be less
'crisp' after LASIK than before with your glasses. For life. We think this
is from the higher order aberrations, but we like to keep this quiet, too.
Shhhhhhhh.

If you have large pupils, thin corneas, a large correction ... watch out.
You are at higher risk for a poor outcome. You deserve to have all of this
explained to you clearly. But I may not warn you about your personal risk
profile because I want as much money as possible. Again, the truth just
seems to scare the customers away.

What I call an enhancement is really another surgery I sometimes have to do
because LASIK is imprecise and I'm just guessing what kind of correction you
will get. I have very little control over the situation, but you'd never
know it by my confident demeanor! I don't have the guts to call a second
surgery an 'enhancement' when I'm with my colleagues because they know
better. It's a special euphemism just for patients, who don't.

Are you near 40? You may already be experiencing difficulty with your close
reading. Being nearsighted gives you the ability to see close things later
into life if you just take your glasses off, or look under them. This late
life 'gift' of myopia is something I will take away. LASIK corrects your
distance vision at the expense of your close vision if you are over 40.
Which do you do more, read and look at the computer, and work with things
that are close to you... or do you spend most of your time golfing (someone
else will have to keep score) or in a tower looking off into the distance
for forest fires?

Remember me telling you that LASIK is imprecise? Even a slight
overcorrection can take years of comfortable close reading away from you!
Imagine suddenly not being able to read your watch, your cell phone, even
trim your nails or see your food clearly without finding those darned
reading glasses. This is why people over 40 are more likely to be
dissatisfied with their LASIK. I know this, and I could easily demonstrate
what it is like to lose your near vision with a trial contact lens to help
you make an informed decision, but 10 minutes of my time vs. a lifetime of
regret for you? Well, my time is valuable.

Since there is often some regression after LASIK (reversal of the treatment)
I sometimes overcorrect my patients slightly. If they can't read their
computer screen clearly for several months it doesn't affect me! Your vision
could take 6 months to stabilize, and you will have to deal with whatever
vision you end up with and the changes that happen, perhaps with multiple
pairs of glasses, usually at your expense. If you end up having an (ahem)
'enhancement' later, your changing vision could keep you busy, head-achy,
bothered by eye strain and broke from buying glasses for a couple of years.
Maybe longer. Does LASIK simplify your life? Maybe not.

I usually keep the post-op instructions away from you until it's too late
because they might scare you off. Also sometimes I may give you your consent
forms immediately before your surgery so that you will feel rushed,
pressured, and go through with a surgery you may decline if you had proper
time to study your materials.

If you are myopic, your cornea will be lumpy but flattened after surgery,
and it will be harder to keep your corneal surface healthy and moist as a
result. A healthy eye has a smooth, round surface. Yours won't be like that.
And forget about wearing regular soft or hard contact lenses if you have a
higher correction. Your corneal surface will be WAY too flattened and oddly
shaped for those. You will have to really do some hard work with an
experienced hard lense fitter to get specially shaped hard lenses and you
may not be able to tolerate the lenses anyway because, hey - I cut your
nerves and fried more of them. Remember? Those nerves control the
comfortable wetting of your eye. So you may be too dry. Just live with your
bad vision in this case, and don't expect any sympathy from me. I will brush
you off, abandon your continued care...even try to paint you as irrational -
I'll do anything I can to make you go away so that I won't be bothered.

Oh, you say you are hyperopic? Your surgeries are much more complicated and
prone to failure. If you're not happy with your vision and need to wear hard
contact lenses to get back some visual quality - bad news... the lens
fitting process for you is even harder than for former myopes.

Your cornea is not like a piece of skin that will heal back together when it
is cut. Your LASIK flap will only heal around the edges a bit, and be
covered over by a thin layer of epithelium. So it can easily be lifted years
later by a surgeon with a simple tool, or be amputated accidentally by a
finger poke, air bag, tree branch, or sports accident. At any time, for the
rest of your life. You will always have a split cornea after LASIK!

Speaking of flaps, and vulnerable weak corneas... did I tell you about the
bulging part? Oh, this is priceless. You are going to lose about 1/3 of the
mechanical strength of your cornea with this surgery! We surgeons disagree
about how much tissue you need to retain to be safe from eye bulging, or
ectasia. We usually keep this disagreement to ourselves, however, because
again, we don't want to scare the customers. Some people need a corneal
transplant when we're finished with them because their corneas are just too
weak to support the pressure from inside their eyes after surgery. Almost
all of us who have done a lot of surgery have patients like this, but you
can see by the lack of LASIK surgeon suicides in the media.... that we can
STILL LIVE WITH OURSELVES! Isn't that remarkable???

Federal trade commission regulations specify that when we advertise a
medical procedure we must also list possible complications and side effects.
We ignore this rule because nobody is enforcing it.

Call us for an appointment!"

Sandy

2005-07-06, 10:58 pm

I think you left out the clueless guinea pig's procedure--you know, the
one who always volunteers to have lasik at these lasik-selling
meetings. They must offer a discount to these folk.

serebel

2005-07-06, 10:58 pm

Casey and Keller here can only retread old conjecture. While millions
of people have successful RS, they're stuck in the woe is me time warp.
How pathetic.

SErebel

Casey

2005-07-09, 12:17 pm

It is no surprise that you have not been keeping up with the medical
literature. Every LASIK patient has permanent eye damage.
Including you.

"serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1120702416.569630.184100@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Casey and Keller here can only retread old conjecture. While millions
> of people have successful RS, they're stuck in the woe is me time warp.
> How pathetic.
>
> SErebel
>

serebel

2005-07-09, 10:54 pm

Amazing how my "damaged" eyes can see very well. I like my damage. I
think I'll keep it.

SErebel

lasikinformer

2005-07-10, 11:51 am

You'd better like your LASIK damage because you're stuck with it.

"serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1120962321.306892.211790@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Amazing how my "damaged" eyes can see very well. I like my damage. I
> think I'll keep it.
>
> SErebel
>

serebel

2005-07-10, 10:50 pm

Oh, woe is me, stuck with this good unaided vision. I'm so depressed.

SErebel

acc

2005-07-29, 8:55 am

Nice and well written. It would be funnier if it wasn't so brutally
honest. People just won't understand until they experience the problem
themselves down the road. The doctors will, at least for me they did,
tell you about the (temporary) dry eyes, (minor) starburst or halos at
night, (possible) infection, floaters, etc. The issue is that they
present it to you like its a common thing and nothing to worry about.
They'll tell you lasik don't prevent AGE RELATED eye problems. YOU MAY
or MAY NOT get these PROBLEM(s) regardless of lasik. Well, here's a
question. What if, getting this surgery will increase your likelihood
or the age you get these problem(s). You're twenty or thirty something
years old and now you live with the eye problems you're suppose to get
when you're fifty plus.

The doctors are protected by the contract that you signed and the fact
that these problems can be genetic. Another thing going for them,
besides the money, is that the serious problems don't really get your
attention until 4, 5, or 10 years out. By that time, it could've been
caused by anything and you'll be reading/writing in these news groups
:p

The bottom line is this. Lasik is a real surgery. Don't do the
surgery unless you really, really need it to improve your quality of
life. You just might end up replacing your pair of glasses for a pair
of sunglasses.

PS. I'm not inferring that you'll be walking around blind with the
sunglasses remark. I wear sunglasses most of the time, because my eyes
are now very sensitive to light (computer screens) and it helps with
the floaters.

Casey wrote:
> For new readers who haven't seen this essay...
>
> Can You Imagine a Truthful LASIK Seminar?
>
> "Good evening ladies and gentlemen. On the day of your surgery, I will first
> stretch your eye open with a metal device that has the potential for causing
> nerve and goblet cell damage. Your goblet cells make proteins that keep your
> eyes lubricated. Ladies, remember how you were always told to be very gentle
> with the tissue around your eyes? Forget that, I will stretch the daylights
> out of it. You may have a sagging lid or eyes that don't close all the way
> when I'm done.
>
> Then I'll apply a huge amount of suction to pull up floaters and potentially
> damage your retina and optic nerve! Next I will sever your corneal nerves
> with a knife that often leaves metal debris behind in your eye for the rest
> of your life. You will also have permanent nerve loss with the potential of
> painful dry eye. I usually tell people this is temporary, if I tell them
> about dry eye at all - but that's sure not true for everybody and I know it.
> It is just so hard to tell who will have dry eye problems, and if I were
> honest about the risks nobody would have surgery. Sometimes even really
> young males who are not in what we surgeons consider a high-risk group get
> it. I don't understand this at all, but it doesn't slow me down! You will
> experience some dry eye for sure, and perhaps permanent dry eye. If not now,
> maybe later in life when you get older, or go through menopause if you're
> female. Females are at higher risk for dry eye anyway. I should probably
> tell them all this, but that's bad for business too.
>
> Oh, by the way...lots of junk gets left behind inside your flap. You can get
> inflammation from this junk called DLK that could make you go blind! After I
> have cut your corneal nerves, I will fry some more of them with an
> imperfect, fluctuating laser device that isn't really designed to treat
> something round like an eye. Your corrected area will be smaller usually
> than I had hoped, especially if you have astigmatism and/or a high
> correcton. But hey - they are your eyes and not mine. Corrected area too
> small? Kiss your night vision goodbye! Whenever it is dark, you will have
> some seriously bad vision.
>
> Prominent doctors have stopped doing LASIK because they realized it has
> problems, but I don't know what else to do with myself right now and I like
> the money. I REALLY started pushing LASIK hard when medicare drastically cut
> the reimbursement I would receive to do cataract surgery!
>
> Where was I.... OH! After I fry your eyeball with the laser, I'll put the
> flap back down and that's where random chance takes over. Sure, ALL patients
> end up with a wrinkled flap that's sort of like a Ruffles potato chip. But
> some people have VERY irregular healing that screws up their vision a lot.
> It is impossible to tell with my lame tools (an aberrometer at best) if your
> problem is underneath the flap or in the flap itself... so some people are
> made WORSE in retreatment. For this and other reasons.
>
> Hey, did I tell you that LASIK creates imperfections in your eye called
> higher order aberrations? We don't really understand their impact on visual
> quality fully, aside from the fact that many of you do have poor vision that
> is associated with these larger higher order aberrations. Especially at
> night. We give you those starbursts and halos that rob you of your enjoyment
> of evening forever, right here in our clinic! If I tell you that wavefront
> or custom wavefront doesn't increase these aberrations, on average - I'm
> LYING! Shame on me! Yes, I know all about LASIK-induced aberrations, and was
> just keeping it to myself because I know you would RUN SCREAMING if YOU
> knew!
>
> You won't be hearing me tell you about loss of contrast sensitivity
> (everything is sort of dimmer and less distinct) but there are experts out
> there who say that all patients have this after LASIK. I don't measure your
> contrast sensitivity so that I can pretend it's not an issue. Good luck
> finding things in dark drawers and closets. Also, your vision may be less
> 'crisp' after LASIK than before with your glasses. For life. We think this
> is from the higher order aberrations, but we like to keep this quiet, too.
> Shhhhhhhh.
>
> If you have large pupils, thin corneas, a large correction ... watch out.
> You are at higher risk for a poor outcome. You deserve to have all of this
> explained to you clearly. But I may not warn you about your personal risk
> profile because I want as much money as possible. Again, the truth just
> seems to scare the customers away.
>
> What I call an enhancement is really another surgery I sometimes have to do
> because LASIK is imprecise and I'm just guessing what kind of correction you
> will get. I have very little control over the situation, but you'd never
> know it by my confident demeanor! I don't have the guts to call a second
> surgery an 'enhancement' when I'm with my colleagues because they know
> better. It's a special euphemism just for patients, who don't.
>
> Are you near 40? You may already be experiencing difficulty with your close
> reading. Being nearsighted gives you the ability to see close things later
> into life if you just take your glasses off, or look under them. This late
> life 'gift' of myopia is something I will take away. LASIK corrects your
> distance vision at the expense of your close vision if you are over 40.
> Which do you do more, read and look at the computer, and work with things
> that are close to you... or do you spend most of your time golfing (someone
> else will have to keep score) or in a tower looking off into the distance
> for forest fires?
>
> Remember me telling you that LASIK is imprecise? Even a slight
> overcorrection can take years of comfortable close reading away from you!
> Imagine suddenly not being able to read your watch, your cell phone, even
> trim your nails or see your food clearly without finding those darned
> reading glasses. This is why people over 40 are more likely to be
> dissatisfied with their LASIK. I know this, and I could easily demonstrate
> what it is like to lose your near vision with a trial contact lens to help
> you make an informed decision, but 10 minutes of my time vs. a lifetime of
> regret for you? Well, my time is valuable.
>
> Since there is often some regression after LASIK (reversal of the treatment)
> I sometimes overcorrect my patients slightly. If they can't read their
> computer screen clearly for several months it doesn't affect me! Your vision
> could take 6 months to stabilize, and you will have to deal with whatever
> vision you end up with and the changes that happen, perhaps with multiple
> pairs of glasses, usually at your expense. If you end up having an (ahem)
> 'enhancement' later, your changing vision could keep you busy, head-achy,
> bothered by eye strain and broke from buying glasses for a couple of years.
> Maybe longer. Does LASIK simplify your life? Maybe not.
>
> I usually keep the post-op instructions away from you until it's too late
> because they might scare you off. Also sometimes I may give you your consent
> forms immediately before your surgery so that you will feel rushed,
> pressured, and go through with a surgery you may decline if you had proper
> time to study your materials.
>
> If you are myopic, your cornea will be lumpy but flattened after surgery,
> and it will be harder to keep your corneal surface healthy and moist as a
> result. A healthy eye has a smooth, round surface. Yours won't be like that.
> And forget about wearing regular soft or hard contact lenses if you have a
> higher correction. Your corneal surface will be WAY too flattened and oddly
> shaped for those. You will have to really do some hard work with an
> experienced hard lense fitter to get specially shaped hard lenses and you
> may not be able to tolerate the lenses anyway because, hey - I cut your
> nerves and fried more of them. Remember? Those nerves control the
> comfortable wetting of your eye. So you may be too dry. Just live with your
> bad vision in this case, and don't expect any sympathy from me. I will brush
> you off, abandon your continued care...even try to paint you as irrational -
> I'll do anything I can to make you go away so that I won't be bothered.
>
> Oh, you say you are hyperopic? Your surgeries are much more complicated and
> prone to failure. If you're not happy with your vision and need to wear hard
> contact lenses to get back some visual quality - bad news... the lens
> fitting process for you is even harder than for former myopes.
>
> Your cornea is not like a piece of skin that will heal back together when it
> is cut. Your LASIK flap will only heal around the edges a bit, and be
> covered over by a thin layer of epithelium. So it can easily be lifted years
> later by a surgeon with a simple tool, or be amputated accidentally by a
> finger poke, air bag, tree branch, or sports accident. At any time, for the
> rest of your life. You will always have a split cornea after LASIK!
>
> Speaking of flaps, and vulnerable weak corneas... did I tell you about the
> bulging part? Oh, this is priceless. You are going to lose about 1/3 of the
> mechanical strength of your cornea with this surgery! We surgeons disagree
> about how much tissue you need to retain to be safe from eye bulging, or
> ectasia. We usually keep this disagreement to ourselves, however, because
> again, we don't want to scare the customers. Some people need a corneal
> transplant when we're finished with them because their corneas are just too
> weak to support the pressure from inside their eyes after surgery. Almost
> all of us who have done a lot of surgery have patients like this, but you
> can see by the lack of LASIK surgeon suicides in the media.... that we can
> STILL LIVE WITH OURSELVES! Isn't that remarkable???
>
> Federal trade commission regulations specify that when we advertise a
> medical procedure we must also list possible complications and side effects.
> We ignore this rule because nobody is enforcing it.
>
> Call us for an appointment!"

serebel

2005-07-29, 10:53 pm

The original post is funny, it has no real truth in it at all. If all
these things happened as consistantly as posted, there would be
millions of visually screwed up people out there.

SErebel

Tabby

2005-07-31, 11:52 am

Every LASIK patient is damaged by the procedure. The original post
would be funny if it were not absolutely true. LASIK hurts people.
Smoking hurt people, Vioxx hurt people. All this harm was promoted by
profiteers and idiots.

serebel

2005-07-31, 10:53 pm

If you call damage the ability to see unaided, then three cheers for
damage.
I guess this makes you the biggest idiot of all for having lasik and
then doing some research. That's what makes your post so funny.

SErebel