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| Sandy - LASIKdisaster.com - LASIKmemorial.com 2005-05-24, 10:55 pm |
| Received via e-mail and posted with her permission:
Sandy,
I too am a lasik surgery victim. I lost my common sense, did not
research it and trusted my doctor completely.
Too many mistakes on my part.
I had my lasik surgery on 6/23/2004, 11 months ago and have been in a
severe, deep depression for the past 8 months with no help, even with
anti depressants, to the point of being suicidal, had to quit my job,
cannot sleep due to extreme dry eye, do not drive and am not
functioning.
To me it is horrendous that the U.S. Government thru the FDA is
allowing doctors to performs experiments on its own citizens. Talk
about the holocaust!
Now that I have researched it, after one of my sons who was considering
it, kept telling me I was one out of a million, then it was it must
have been the doctor. No, no, no, it is the stinking experimental
lasik surgery!
Of course in doing my research, most of the complications suffered by
individuals are way in the back, almost hidden because the lasik
companies and doctors can afford to spend much more on the web than
individuals trying to get the word out.
To me, if all the individuals who have created a web site to warn
people about the real complications of lasik could form some kind of
association to band together, maybe by uniting together, you could
reach more people.
I knew only one person who had had lasik before I did. My younger
sister had lasik 4 years ago and did not warn me about the problems she
was having when I called her the day before I had my lasik. Yet my son
kept asking me how me cases we had heard of that had gone wrong? None
of course. Even though his wife knew all these people at work that
were having it done and it was the greatest thing on earth.
My family is tired of my talking about my disability, I feel that my
family is falling apart by what happened to me, but I feel this sense
of urgency to get the word out to the
American public.
There must be a way to get the public better educated before they
decide to have lasik!!!
Every day, I just wish I could curl up and die. My life has been
ruined after working for over 30 years and planning to enjoy my golden
years, there is no hope for me.
At this point in time, I hate myself, hate the world for what has
happened to me and would rather that the Lord end my suffering.
Unfortunately, it looks like at this time not even the Lord wants to
take me.
>From my own personal experience in speaking to friends and ex
co-workers, I have kept over 3 dozen people from having it. Most of
whom I was not even aware that they wore glasses or contacts. Though I
have probably helped prevent others from ruining their lives, I do not
feel any better.
Does anyone know for sure how many people have been victims of lasik
surgery in the United States?
If all the victims could get together and write our political
representatives could we have an impact?
IF all the victims could approach their local media, could we have an
impact?
In my mind there must be something that can be done, probably not in my
life time, but something has to be done..
A lasik victim who wishes to die,
E.G.
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| serebel 2005-05-24, 10:55 pm |
| Another so-called "victim" via the chicken little of RS.
This one is really off the wall.
"Experimental", "Holocaust", this Keller like person doesn't even say
that her vision was screwed up.
My favorite part is where she kept all those people from having RS,
while not knowing whether they even wore glasses or contacts.
Keller, you outdid youself this time, thanks for the laugh.
SErebel
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| Ragnar 2005-05-24, 10:55 pm |
| That sounds liike some cooked up e-mail.
Anyway... since she has been working for over 30 years, she must be
well into the age of presbyopia. Welcome to the human race lady.
Hang on for another 10 or 20 years and you can deal with your
cataracts too. Poor eyesight, even total blindness, is no reason at
all for one to wish to die. Obviously, this anonymous person has
never had a real problem to deal with or she would have cashed in her
chips already.
On 24 May 2005 19:32:19 -0700, "Sandy - LASIKdisaster.com -
LASIKmemorial.com" <sandy@savvysneaks.com> wrote:
>Received via e-mail and posted with her permission:
>
>Sandy,
>I too am a lasik surgery victim. I lost my common sense, did not
>research it and trusted my doctor completely.
>Too many mistakes on my part.
>I had my lasik surgery on 6/23/2004, 11 months ago and have been in a
>severe, deep depression for the past 8 months with no help, even with
>anti depressants, to the point of being suicidal, had to quit my job,
>cannot sleep due to extreme dry eye, do not drive and am not
>functioning.
>To me it is horrendous that the U.S. Government thru the FDA is
>allowing doctors to performs experiments on its own citizens. Talk
>about the holocaust!
>Now that I have researched it, after one of my sons who was considering
>it, kept telling me I was one out of a million, then it was it must
>have been the doctor. No, no, no, it is the stinking experimental
>lasik surgery!
>Of course in doing my research, most of the complications suffered by
>individuals are way in the back, almost hidden because the lasik
>companies and doctors can afford to spend much more on the web than
>individuals trying to get the word out.
>To me, if all the individuals who have created a web site to warn
>people about the real complications of lasik could form some kind of
>association to band together, maybe by uniting together, you could
>reach more people.
>I knew only one person who had had lasik before I did. My younger
>sister had lasik 4 years ago and did not warn me about the problems she
>was having when I called her the day before I had my lasik. Yet my son
>kept asking me how me cases we had heard of that had gone wrong? None
>of course. Even though his wife knew all these people at work that
>were having it done and it was the greatest thing on earth.
>My family is tired of my talking about my disability, I feel that my
>family is falling apart by what happened to me, but I feel this sense
>of urgency to get the word out to the
>American public.
>There must be a way to get the public better educated before they
>decide to have lasik!!!
>Every day, I just wish I could curl up and die. My life has been
>ruined after working for over 30 years and planning to enjoy my golden
>years, there is no hope for me.
>At this point in time, I hate myself, hate the world for what has
>happened to me and would rather that the Lord end my suffering.
>Unfortunately, it looks like at this time not even the Lord wants to
>take me.
>co-workers, I have kept over 3 dozen people from having it. Most of
>whom I was not even aware that they wore glasses or contacts. Though I
>have probably helped prevent others from ruining their lives, I do not
>feel any better.
>Does anyone know for sure how many people have been victims of lasik
>surgery in the United States?
>If all the victims could get together and write our political
>representatives could we have an impact?
>IF all the victims could approach their local media, could we have an
>impact?
>In my mind there must be something that can be done, probably not in my
>life time, but something has to be done..
>A lasik victim who wishes to die,
>E.G.
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| Ragnar 2005-05-25, 8:56 am |
| Yes.. I think one of "Sybil's" multiple personalities cooked up that
tale of woe.
On 24 May 2005 20:25:36 -0700, "serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote:
>Another so-called "victim" via the chicken little of RS.
>This one is really off the wall.
>"Experimental", "Holocaust", this Keller like person doesn't even say
>that her vision was screwed up.
>My favorite part is where she kept all those people from having RS,
>while not knowing whether they even wore glasses or contacts.
>
>Keller, you outdid youself this time, thanks for the laugh.
>
>SErebel
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| crvc@wyoming.com 2005-05-26, 11:50 am |
| The letter has the ring of truth, speaking as someone who did not have
successful LASIK. The person probably has other problems and may be
using laser surgery as a focus point for not dealing with the other
problems. I noticed she describes herself as having a disability
because of LASIK. She is within the statute of limitations for
pursuing legal options for disability or suing the surgeon. But that
won't fix her medical problems. I don't have a high opinion of
medical practice in this country but that doesn't mean there aren't
options in Europe to be considered.
It's easy to write an emotional letter during a moment of despair. It
can be cathartic. But even better than that is working to get past the
problems. For dry eye syndrome some have been helped with acupuncture.
I tried every eyedrop on the market trying to get something that
allows me to wear RGP contacts beyond two hours a day. Maybe I wasn't
successful but for me trying was better than not trying.
I've made this point before in this board: It's easy for serebel and
ragner to disparage the writer, especially since they aren't
emotionally able to have empathy for her or anyone.
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| Ragnar 2005-05-26, 11:50 am |
| If you think that letter had the rind of truth, you don't know Keller
very well. She has a long established history of fabricating and
altering messages.
At the very least, she embellished that message with her standard
litany of garbage.
And I repeat.. even total loss of vision is no reason for one to kill
themselves. Vision loss is a fact of life as you get elderly. People
are living a lot longer these days and vision loss is an increasing
problem.
I wonder what else people consider killing themselves over. hearing
loss, ringing in ears, baldness, overweight, being wheelchair bound,
erectile problems, vaginal problems, hemmoroids, cancer, toothache,
loss of taste sensitivity.
The idea is to fix or avoid problems, not XXXXX about them or dwell
upon them. That letter was absurd. If it was real and she's talking
to Keller, she might just try and kill herself.
There was a case here last year where some yoyo told a disappointed
lasik patient that there was no hope for them other than his solution.
When his solution didn't work, the patient did kill himself (but there
were other reasons for that). The disappointment was just one more
factor that led to the suicide.
On 26 May 2005 07:52:18 -0700, crvc@wyoming.com wrote:
>The letter has the ring of truth, speaking as someone who did not have
>successful LASIK. The person probably has other problems and may be
>using laser surgery as a focus point for not dealing with the other
>problems. I noticed she describes herself as having a disability
>because of LASIK. She is within the statute of limitations for
>pursuing legal options for disability or suing the surgeon. But that
>won't fix her medical problems. I don't have a high opinion of
>medical practice in this country but that doesn't mean there aren't
>options in Europe to be considered.
>
>It's easy to write an emotional letter during a moment of despair. It
>can be cathartic. But even better than that is working to get past the
>problems. For dry eye syndrome some have been helped with acupuncture.
> I tried every eyedrop on the market trying to get something that
>allows me to wear RGP contacts beyond two hours a day. Maybe I wasn't
>successful but for me trying was better than not trying.
>
>I've made this point before in this board: It's easy for serebel and
>ragner to disparage the writer, especially since they aren't
>emotionally able to have empathy for her or anyone.
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| Sandy - LASIKdisaster.com - LASIKmemorial.com 2005-05-26, 5:54 pm |
| Christopher, the only alteration I made was changing her name to just
initials. Why don't you buy a little tube of ophthalmic ointment and
put a gob in each eye and try to go through your day like that? Maybe
then you'd figure out what distorted vision does to a person. I have a
feeling that you couldn't handle 15 minutes of it, let alone a lifetime.
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| serebel 2005-05-26, 10:54 pm |
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crvc@wyoming.com wrote:
>
> I've made this point before in this board: It's easy for serebel and
> ragner to disparage the writer, especially since they aren't
> emotionally able to have empathy for her or anyone.
Now Chipper here is drawing the wrong conclusions. I don't feel sorry
for the likes of Keller who is a self inflicted "victim". She lies just
about anything and makes up these so called e-mails that she posts.
SErebel
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| Ragnar 2005-05-27, 8:55 am |
| Bingo.
It's almost insulting that anyone is expected to believe anything she
says. Her revisionist postings, lies, manipulations, etc. are well
established. Anyone who takes her at her word is a fool who will wind
up with egg on their face and poo on their shoe.
The fundamental problem is she is irrational and doesn't know right
from wrong. She's nuts. There are people in this world that are
nuts, and she is one of them.
As I recall... she was going to a psychiatrist but stopped since it
wasn't helping.
On 26 May 2005 19:21:41 -0700, "serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote:
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>crvc@wyoming.com wrote:
>
>
>Now Chipper here is drawing the wrong conclusions. I don't feel sorry
>for the likes of Keller who is a self inflicted "victim". She lies just
>about anything and makes up these so called e-mails that she posts.
>
>SErebel
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| Tabby 2005-06-03, 10:53 pm |
| I have also spoken several times with this patient. She has very bad
vision and has attempted suicide. Recall, a Psychiatrist at the
University of Michigan had a bad LASIK outcome in 2003, spent a year
trying to find a way to be fixed either surgically or through contact
lens rehab and failed. His corneas were too screwed up. So he killed
himself rather than live with his windows on the world so horribly
damaged. LASIK ruins many lives.
Everyone on this forum knows bad LASIK outcomes happen and that they
can be tragic. How Ragnar and SErebel can live with themselves while
being so mean to damaged patients and denying their horrible
life-altering disabilities is beyond comprehension.
Message to readers of this bulletin board: please ignore the words of
Ragnar and SErebel. They are ignorant and malicious individuals who
have nothing to offer. Besides, I heard Glenn the XXXXXXX salesman sold
those two assholes. Hmmmm must have been impossible to find a buyer.
They're useless assholes. Can definitely see Glenn's motivation to
unload them. They are definitely not worth whatever he's paying them to
spew their bile.
Ragnar wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> Bingo.
> It's almost insulting that anyone is expected to believe anything she
> says. Her revisionist postings, lies, manipulations, etc. are well
> established. Anyone who takes her at her word is a fool who will wind
> up with egg on their face and poo on their shoe.
> The fundamental problem is she is irrational and doesn't know right
> from wrong. She's nuts. There are people in this world that are
> nuts, and she is one of them.
> As I recall... she was going to a psychiatrist but stopped since it
> wasn't helping.
>
>
> On 26 May 2005 19:21:41 -0700, "serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote:
>
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2005-06-03, 10:53 pm |
| Would it not be more accurate to say that the alleged person allegedly
committed suicide rather than have corneal transplants?
If the totality of the person's problems related to LASIK gone bad,
all of LASIK is within the cornea, thus a corneal transplant would
remove whatever LASIK allegedly did.
That is not to suggest that a corneal transplant is a small event, but
a person who has vision debilitated by LASIK (i.e. cornea
abnormalities) has a very real possibility of vision restoration with
corneal transplants. Corneal transplants are provided to patients
every day for a variety of reasons.
Options exist.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| serebel 2005-06-03, 10:53 pm |
|
Tabby wrote:
> I have also spoken several times with this patient. She has very bad
> vision and has attempted suicide. Recall, a Psychiatrist at the
> university of Michigan had a bad LASIK outcome in 2003, spent a year
> trying to find a way to be fixed either surgically or through contact
> lens rehab and failed. His corneas were too screwed up. So he killed
> himself rather than live with his windows on the world so horribly
> damaged. LASIK ruins many lives.
>
> Everyone on this forum knows bad LASIK outcomes happen and that they
> can be tragic. How Ragnar and SErebel can live with themselves while
> being so mean to damaged patients and denying their horrible
> life-altering disabilities is beyond comprehension.
>
> Message to readers of this bulletin board: please ignore the words of
> Ragnar and SErebel. They are ignorant and malicious individuals who
> have nothing to offer. Besides, I heard Glenn the XXXXXXX salesman sold
> those two assholes. Hmmmm must have been impossible to find a buyer.
> They're useless assholes. Can definitely see Glenn's motivation to
> unload them. They are definitely not worth whatever he's paying them to
> spew their bile.
>
>
Message to readers here: Tabby is a lunatic who blames lasik for all
the worlds problems.
Who cares if that idiot committed suicide. Good riddance to psyco fools
anyway. Lasik did not cause this, his "little voices" did. The actual
blind people out there who are doing something with their lives are
laughing at you Tabby.
SErebel
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| Sandy - LASIKdisaster.com - LASIKmemorial.com 2005-06-03, 10:53 pm |
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Glenn - USAEyes.org wrote:
> If the totality of the person's problems related to LASIK gone bad,
> all of LASIK is within the cornea, thus a corneal transplant would
> remove whatever LASIK allegedly did.
>
> Glenn Hagele
> Executive Director
> USAEyes.org
So, Hagele, you are saying that a grafted cornea is virtually the same
as a virgin cornea? Functions the same, looks the same, feels the
same? You can "erase" the bad LASIK with a transplant?
You never did appear to be a patient advocate, and comments like those
in this post of yours just prove that you are a LASIK industry
advocate.
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| Ragnar 2005-06-04, 11:52 am |
| Anybody who would talk to you must be desperate enough to commit
suicide. I assume you have gotten psychiatric help for this person.
Why not get a 2 for one deal and get your own brain fixed?
This is the first time I have seen that the physican who committed
suicide was a psychiatrist. That psychiatrist should have gone to a
psychiatrist.
This topic has been beaten into the ground, but here goes once more.
First off, nobody kills themselves because of their vision. There
were obviously many problems. Everyone loses their vision
eventually. One of the effects of age.
Just for arguments sake, let's assume that the issue was the vision
and nothing else.
The patient had horrible vision to begin with, they wear glasses.
Patient is still unhappy with vision, they wear contacts.
Patient is still unhappy with vision, they wear rigid contacts.
Pateint is still unhappy with vision, they have LASIK done.
Patient is still unhappy with vision, they get custom contacts.
Pateint is still unhappy with vision, they kill themselves.
In this case, seems to me the blame is on the rehab doctor with the
custom contacts that failed to work. The doctor obviously gave the
patient the idea that the custom contacts would work and didn't.
Blame that doctor for giving unrealistic expectations.
I shouldn't mention this... but as ridiculous as it sounds for a
psychiatrist to commit suicide.. I have know of an oncologist (cancer
doctor) who smoked cigars regularly!
On 3 Jun 2005 16:14:15 -0700, "Tabby" <tabby_english@yahoo.com> wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>I have also spoken several times with this patient. She has very bad
>vision and has attempted suicide. Recall, a Psychiatrist at the
>University of Michigan had a bad LASIK outcome in 2003, spent a year
>trying to find a way to be fixed either surgically or through contact
>lens rehab and failed. His corneas were too screwed up. So he killed
>himself rather than live with his windows on the world so horribly
>damaged. LASIK ruins many lives.
>
>Everyone on this forum knows bad LASIK outcomes happen and that they
>can be tragic. How Ragnar and SErebel can live with themselves while
>being so mean to damaged patients and denying their horrible
>life-altering disabilities is beyond comprehension.
>
>Message to readers of this bulletin board: please ignore the words of
>Ragnar and SErebel. They are ignorant and malicious individuals who
>have nothing to offer. Besides, I heard Glenn the XXXXXXX salesman sold
>those two assholes. Hmmmm must have been impossible to find a buyer.
>They're useless assholes. Can definitely see Glenn's motivation to
>unload them. They are definitely not worth whatever he's paying them to
>spew their bile.
>
>Ragnar wrote:
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| Ragnar 2005-06-04, 11:52 am |
| Tabbiy's biggest fear is that somehow Al Zarqawi will get ahold of a
Nidel Laser and perform LASIK on hostages. To Tabby, that is worse
than beheading.
On 3 Jun 2005 18:27:49 -0700, "serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>Tabby wrote:
>
>Message to readers here: Tabby is a lunatic who blames lasik for all
>the worlds problems.
>Who cares if that idiot committed suicide. Good riddance to psyco fools
>anyway. Lasik did not cause this, his "little voices" did. The actual
>blind people out there who are doing something with their lives are
>laughing at you Tabby.
>
>SErebel
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| Of course, SE Rebel has seen all of the scans of the patient who committed
suicide, and is educated enough to evaluate his medical condition (NOT).
Nobody is blaming LASIK for all the problems in the world, just for
LASIK-induced corneal damage. That's something we have the technology to
MEASURE now, and it's serious - patients always lose corneal integrity,
nerve density and correctable visual quality with LASIK surgery.
"Ragnar" <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8vk3a19h15qltle9j1c3cjpl75uf2s3m36@4ax.com...
> Tabbiy's biggest fear is that somehow Al Zarqawi will get ahold of a
> Nidel Laser and perform LASIK on hostages. To Tabby, that is worse
> than beheading.
>
> On 3 Jun 2005 18:27:49 -0700, "serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
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| serebel 2005-06-04, 11:00 pm |
| This must mean that Hana has seen the scans of this patient. Your post
here must make you a brilliant moron.
SErebel
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2005-06-05, 10:53 pm |
| I am saying exactly what I said, and that is that a person who has a
bad LASIK outcome has options.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| Ilana 2005-06-05, 10:53 pm |
| Like suicide?
"Glenn - USAEyes.org" <glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org> wrote in message
news:js47a15i0volej8tnokodb1nd7tmv2u9kl@4ax.com...
>I am saying exactly what I said, and that is that a person who has a
> bad LASIK outcome has options.
>
> Glenn Hagele
> Executive Director
> USAEyes.org
>
> "Consider and Choose With Confidence"
>
> Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
>
> http://www.USAEyes.org
> http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
>
> I am not a doctor.
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| serebel 2005-06-05, 10:53 pm |
| Llana, if you had a bad outcome at least you know your options. 
SErebel
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| Ragnar 2005-06-06, 8:57 am |
| I can think of much better reasons for suicide... a divorce, loss of
a child, loss of job, cancer, having a malcontent move in next door,
being forced to watch reruns of "Charles in Charge", etc.
On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 20:24:25 -0400, "Ilana" <Ilana@aol_nospam.com>
wrote:
>Like suicide?
>
>"Glenn - USAEyes.org" <glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org> wrote in message
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