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| I read someones post here a while ago who had bad halo's. He/she - I can't
remember now, mentioned even driving with a torch to there face at night
didn't make any difference. At the time of reading I laughed it off as a
joke.
A week or so later I was driving at night and turned the inside light on for
a second. My halo's changed. The interior light in this vehicle is directly
in front of me and quite close.
I continued testing it - turning it on and off. It is amazing. Halos
dissapear in a flash. Now I have to figure out which is better - driving at
night with halos or driving at night with no halos and the interior light
on!
Has anybody else tried this?? If the light is behind you it probably won't
make any difference. My other vehicle is like that and doesn't make any
difference.
Wal
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| doctor_my_eye@msn.com 2005-05-18, 11:45 am |
| I have had dozens of patients who have learned "adaptive behaviors" to
improve their quality of vision after refractive surgery. I consider
turning on an interior light to be a very moderate form of adaptive
behavior...if it works well, just do it! Conversely, I think that
taking glaucoma drops like Alphagan P to shrink your pupils on a daily
basis to be an adverse behavior. You aren't going to get heart
palpitations and a dry mouth from your dome light being on!
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2005-05-18, 11:45 am |
| Yes, increasing light in an environment will cause the iris to
constrict, the pupil to become smaller, and the light passing through
the outer edges of the cornea to not reach the retina and be "seen".
Driving with the interior light on is an old trick.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| In article <1115912464.072774.15970@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
doctor_my_eye@msn.com wrote:
> You aren't going to get heart
> palpitations and a dry mouth from your dome light being on!
But unfortunately you might get a ticket. I think it's illegal in the
US.
--
~RT
The truth lies somewhere between Ragnar and LASIKtruth
Two sides of the same coin
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<doctor_my_eye@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1115912464.072774.15970@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I have had dozens of patients who have learned "adaptive behaviors" to
> improve their quality of vision after refractive surgery. I consider
> turning on an interior light to be a very moderate form of adaptive
> behavior...if it works well, just do it!
Adaptive behaviors - well I am not sure I am going to make a habit of this
and drive around with the light on all the time.. Its just nice to see the
halo's go. I guess I could experiment with different wattage interior light
bulbs and find one not too bright but which still makes a difference.
Hey I just had a bright business idea.
We could manufacture sunvisors with built in lights for people who suffer
from halo's. We could even install a adjustable switch so you could have
variable voltages sent to the bulbs to cater for all eyes !
Do you think I should patent this idea?
> Conversely, I think that
> taking glaucoma drops like Alphagan P to shrink your pupils on a daily
> basis to be an adverse behavior. You aren't going to get heart
> palpitations and a dry mouth from your dome light being on!
I have some Alphagan P but haven't tried it yet. How long does its effect
last?
Wal
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| serebel 2005-05-18, 11:45 am |
| Minarik claims to have "dozens" of patients with this complaint. Bull
!! Maybe two or three, but he would rather scare you with a lie than be
of any help.
SErebel
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| Ragnar 2005-05-18, 11:45 am |
| On Thu, 12 May 2005 16:55:53 GMT, Glenn - USAEyes.org
<glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org> wrote:
>Yes, increasing light in an environment will cause the iris to
>constrict, the pupil to become smaller, and the light passing through
>the outer edges of the cornea to not reach the retina and be "seen".
>Driving with the interior light on is an old trick. So is Mnarik's wife.
>
>Glenn Hagele
>Executive Director
>USAEyes.org
>
>"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
>
>Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
>
>http://www.USAEyes.org
>http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
>
>I am not a doctor.
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| doctor_my_eye@msn.com 2005-05-18, 11:46 am |
| SERebel, you'll never know how "big" a practice needs to be before it
has "dozens" of just about everything. Our practice sees about 200
patients per week, and we have advertised on the internet for 4 years
now that we welcome patients who have problems with refractive surgery.
I have had dozens of miserable patients after LASIK, and hundreds of
people that aren't "miserable" but they still are very sorry that they
had LASIK.
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| Debbie 2005-05-18, 11:46 am |
| THANK YOU for seeing these patients, caring about them, and for speaking out
that dissatisfaction with LASIK
is widespread. People are being harmed, essentially for CASH.
<doctor_my_eye@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1116004546.661774.22550@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> SERebel, you'll never know how "big" a practice needs to be before it
> has "dozens" of just about everything. Our practice sees about 200
> patients per week, and we have advertised on the internet for 4 years
> now that we welcome patients who have problems with refractive surgery.
> I have had dozens of miserable patients after LASIK, and hundreds of
> people that aren't "miserable" but they still are very sorry that they
> had LASIK.
>
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| serebel 2005-05-18, 11:46 am |
|
Debbie wrote:
> THANK YOU for seeing these patients, caring about them, and for
speaking out
> that dissatisfaction with LASIK
> is widespread. People are being harmed, essentially for CASH.
>
Just because Debbie is dissatisfied with her lasik doesn't mean this is
widespread. She stil can't comprehend the MILLIONS of satisfied people.
If this were the case, the media would be all over it.
SErebel
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| doctor_my_eye@msn.com 2005-05-18, 11:46 am |
| The problem with the media here in the good old USA is that the
newspapers and television stations need to generate huge advertiser
dollars to survive. I have been involved in two different exposes of
the shady dealings of LVI, only to find that a senior editor or
producer killed the story when Eyeglass World or LVI threatened to
cancel their ads.
>
>
> Just because Debbie is dissatisfied with her lasik doesn't mean this
is
> widespread. She stil can't comprehend the MILLIONS of satisfied
people.
> If this were the case, the media would be all over it.
>
> SErebel
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| Ragnar 2005-05-18, 11:46 am |
| I don't recall that you ever did anything to expose LVI. If so, do
more. Just a few days ago, I posted a brand new tidbit about LVI.
They are currently under investigation by the attorney general of
Florida - again. The reason is that they haven't paid off their
previous fine (bribe) to the state of Florida, and they continue to do
the same things they were fined for in the first place.
The government of Florida is more corrupt than Al Capone ever was, but
that topic is beyond the scope of this forum.
Just as an anecdote, after many years, Florida has finally achieved
the distinction of having the worst education of all 50 states.
On 16 May 2005 10:44:03 -0700, doctor_my_eye@msn.com wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>The problem with the media here in the good old USA is that the
>newspapers and television stations need to generate huge advertiser
>dollars to survive. I have been involved in two different exposes of
>the shady dealings of LVI, only to find that a senior editor or
>producer killed the story when Eyeglass World or LVI threatened to
>cancel their ads.
>is
>people.
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| doctor_my_eye@msn.com 2005-05-18, 11:46 am |
| Here's a quick example of our LVI adventure from a few years ago. I
personally am a poor candidate for LASIK, as I am an eight diopter
myope but my K readings are already 39 Diopters (extremely flat). If I
were to be operated on, I would most certainly be perforated during the
formation of a flap, and if my cornea survived the procedure, my
resulting cornea would be of a radius flatter than the eyeball itself,
which is a certain cause for ectasia and a possible blow-out fracture.
I went to two different LVI practices (anonymously) and was called
"WELL QUALIFIED" at both of them. After I worked with an
investigative reporter on this story, it was buried after the threat of
"no more advertising from us" hit the news director.
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| serebel 2005-05-18, 11:47 am |
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doctor_my_...@msn.com wrote:
> The problem with the media here in the good old USA is that the
> newspapers and television stations need to generate huge advertiser
> dollars to survive. I have been involved in two different exposes of
> the shady dealings of LVI, only to find that a senior editor or
> producer killed the story when Eyeglass World or LVI threatened to
> cancel their ads.
>
The above statement would only be possible in the realm of extremely
small markets. On the grand scale of national media, RS advertising is
less than .001. Not nearly enough to affect bad reports.
SErebel
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| Ragnar 2005-05-18, 11:47 am |
| I don't understand why you would go to LVI to have your eyes checked
out. I'm sure whoever examined you there was at best an optometrist
and much more likely just a technician. They are told to tell
everyone they are well-qualified. LVI surgeons don't do much besides
look at the readings technicians took and press the button on the
laser. The infamous Rothman did nothing to examine my eyes other than
to flash a penlight flashlight in my eyes for 3 seconds (he broke the
slit-lamp earlier that night).
Your also a bad candidate because you are a bit too old for the
procedure and as I recall you are a diabetic - not to mention that you
are not mentally sound.
But it is true that LVI has a policy of telling everyone they are a
viable candidate for the procedure.
On 16 May 2005 13:31:21 -0700, doctor_my_eye@msn.com wrote:
>Here's a quick example of our LVI adventure from a few years ago. I
>personally am a poor candidate for LASIK, as I am an eight diopter
>myope but my K readings are already 39 Diopters (extremely flat). If I
>were to be operated on, I would most certainly be perforated during the
>formation of a flap, and if my cornea survived the procedure, my
>resulting cornea would be of a radius flatter than the eyeball itself,
>which is a certain cause for ectasia and a possible blow-out fracture.
> I went to two different LVI practices (anonymously) and was called
>"WELL QUALIFIED" at both of them. After I worked with an
>investigative reporter on this story, it was buried after the threat of
>"no more advertising from us" hit the news director.
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| doctor_my_eye@msn.com 2005-05-18, 11:47 am |
| I disagree.
In Rockford alone, Eyeglass World spends at least 70 thousand dollars a
month on local advertising in print media only. In Chicago, they have
a full color insert in every Sunday Chicago Tribune. We are talking
about hundreds of thousands of dollars in ad revenue here, and the
power of the advertising dollar influences the editorial in any size
market.
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| mary@lasermyeye.org 2005-05-18, 11:47 am |
| Wal --
I also tried the car light trick (yes, yes, if I shine a flashlight in
my eyes, the starbursts and halos are dramatically reduced; however, I
was informed that keeping a dome light on in my car is against the law
in my state, and it isn't practical to drive with both hands on the
steering wheel while trying to shine a flashlight in my eyes -- LOL !
).
Therefore, for confident driving at night, I occasionally use Alphagan
P occasionally to reduce starburst and halo effects. (It has worked for
some people I know, but not for others, and there are many side-effects
listed on the patient information materials. Last time I checked, using
Alphagan P for night vision problems was defined as an "off-label" use
of a drug primarily designed to deal with other issues -- glaucoma,
intra-ocular pressure).
Specifically, my doctor instructed me instill one drop in each eye "at
dusk" -- the goal being not exactly to "shrink" the pupil, but rather
to PREVENT it from STARTING to expand once darkness falls. It typically
takes effect in less than 15 minutes, and lasts for at least six hours
.. . . which is usually enough to get me through a difficult night-time
drive.
An unfortunate side-effect for me is drying of the eyes, which is why I
don't use it regularly. Also, I'm aware of one research study which
suggests that if a person uses Alphagan frequently, its effects
diminish. Like many other post-Lasik matters, Wal, I guess this will be
a trial-and-error matter. I wish you good luck if you decide to try it!
mary
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| serebel 2005-05-18, 11:47 am |
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doctor_my_...@msn.com wrote:
> I disagree.
> In Rockford alone, Eyeglass World spends at least 70 thousand dollars
a
> month on local advertising in print media only. In Chicago, they
have
> a full color insert in every Sunday Chicago Tribune. We are talking
> about hundreds of thousands of dollars in ad revenue here, and the
> power of the advertising dollar influences the editorial in any size
> market.
In Rockford(tiny market)nothing of national interest is broken there,so
their adverts would be missed, but Chicago, their advertising wouldn't
be missed,as to say, wouldn't affect the Trib's bottom line.
SErebel
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| Hi Mary,
Thanks for responding with your experiences.
> I also tried the car light trick (yes, yes, if I shine a flashlight in
> my eyes, the starbursts and halos are dramatically reduced; however, I
> was informed that keeping a dome light on in my car is against the law
> in my state, and it isn't practical to drive with both hands on the
> steering wheel while trying to shine a flashlight in my eyes -- LOL !
Great to here that the old light trick worked for you too. Mine was using
the interior light rather than a flash light so I could still drive with 2
hands <g> Is amazing how the halo's dissapear with the light on isn't it
> ).
>
> Therefore, for confident driving at night, I occasionally use Alphagan
> P occasionally to reduce starburst and halo effects. (It has worked for
> some people I know, but not for others, and there are many side-effects
> listed on the patient information materials. Last time I checked, using
> Alphagan P for night vision problems was defined as an "off-label" use
> of a drug primarily designed to deal with other issues -- glaucoma,
> intra-ocular pressure).
I will try it some time soon just so I know it works or not. I won't be
using it regurarly though as my Doc has already warned me of that.
>
> Specifically, my doctor instructed me instill one drop in each eye "at
> dusk" -- the goal being not exactly to "shrink" the pupil, but rather
> to PREVENT it from STARTING to expand once darkness falls. It typically
> takes effect in less than 15 minutes, and lasts for at least six hours
> . . . which is usually enough to get me through a difficult night-time
> drive.
Thanks for that info. I'll be sure to take it just before dark.
> mary
Thanks Mary,
Regards
Wal
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