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WELCOME TO THE ALT.LASIK-EYES NEWSGROUP (3)
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2005-05-18, 11:45 am |
| Please do not post comments or discussion under this subject thread.
This notice is posted weekly (mostly!).
WELCOME TO THE ALT.LASIK-EYES NEWSGROUP
The primary purpose of this newsgroup is to discuss issues related to
Laser In-Situ Keratomileusis (LASIK), however all refractive surgery
techniques such as Photorefractive Keratectomy (PRK), Laser Assisted
sub-Epithelium Keratomileusis (LASEK), Conductive Keratoplasty (CK),
Phakic Intraocular Lenses (P-IOL), Refractive Lens Exchange (RLE), and
others are commonly discussed.
Readers are advised that opinions expressed here may come from eye
care professionals (optometrists, ophthalmologists, opticians,
ophthalmic researchers) as well as the general public. Alt.lasik-eyes
is an unmoderated newsgroup. Any person may say what he or she
desires without significant probability of consequence, however
courtesy is encouraged.
From time to time any newsgroup will experience posters who espouse
certain viewpoints that are misleading, hoaxes, mythology, disproved
theories, and/or outright lies. If someone is desperately trying to
convince you of something or uses demeaning or abusive language, you
might be correct in assuming that person has an agenda that has little
or no relation to your individual circumstances, and that person's
views are not consistent with current science. If it sounds too good
(or too bad) to be true, it probably is.
Please refrain from replying to posters in an effort to denounce,
ridicule, embarrass or otherwise engage in non-productive discussion.
That's called "feeding the trolls" and is usually without positive
value. If you are bothered by the tone or content of a thread, don't
read it or learn how to eliminate all postings by the author. This is
called kill-filing or filtering. For more information on how to set
up filters, please see the documentation for your newsgroup reader or
go to:
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/killfilefaq.htm
When gathering information, be aware of the source and use good
judgment. Participants who provide their true identities offer the
opportunity to research their background in consideration of the
validity of their views. In all situations, do not make vital
healthcare decisions without being personally examined by a
knowledgeable practitioner.
There are many Internet sources for information regarding refractive
surgery. Some websites devoted to the subject with regular
participants in this newsgroup are: (in order oldest to newest)
http://www.USAEyes.org
Nonprofit organization, Glenn Hagele, founder.
http://www.SurgicalEyes.org
Nonprofit organization, Ron Link, founder.
http://www.LasikDisaster.com
Operated by LASIK patient Sandy Keller.
http://www.LasikFraud.com
Operated by LASIK patient Brent Hanson
http://www.Leukoma.com
Operated by optometrist Greg Gemoules
http://www.LaserMyEye.org
Nonprofit organization, Rebecca Petris, founder.
Thank you for participating. Special thanks to "The Real Bev" for her
inspiration.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| gospa68@aol.com 2005-05-18, 11:45 am |
| WARNING...what should have been said is:
Readers are advised that opinions expressed here may come people who
are financially vested in a particular procedure. These can include but
are not limited to: eye care professionals (optometrists,
ophthalmologists, opticians, ophthalmic researchers); providers (lasik
centers, refractive surgery centers); equipment suppliers and
manufacturers; quasi-industry funded certification organizations; sham
consumer organizations; and paid bloggers working on behalf of vested
interests.
Opinions expressed are also posted by patients injured by refractive
procedures, professionals and doctors who have no axe to grind, and the
general public.
While there is some valuable information posted here, there is also
misinformation. Do not take anything at face value. Watch the posts
over time and you will be able to discern fact from fiction.
WK
I have no vested interest in refractive surgery. I earn my living from
other aspects of Ophthalmology.
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2005-05-18, 11:45 am |
| A very big difference between you and me WizKid, is that anyone who
questions the veracity of my responses here or has any concern about a
perception of bias has the opportunity to research who I am, review
the website our organization maintains, and see over five years of my
postings in this and other Internet forums.
You, on the other hand, have been unwilling to identify yourself, or
even say exactly what "other aspect" of ophthalmology in which you are
involved. We have only what you have presented in this forum under
this particular nom de plume, and that clearly shows an utter lack of
concern for scientific fact if it does not coincide with your
predetermined agenda.
>I have no vested interest in refractive surgery. I earn my living from
>other aspects of Ophthalmology.
Which is, in my opinion, a sad state of affairs. I truly worry about
patients who unwittingly are receiving care from someone who ignores
facts when the facts dispute his opinion.
You had best keep your identity a secret, because if competent peers
were to connect you with the bovine fertilize you have been spreading
here, I dare say you would find it difficult to maintain employment in
ANY aspect of ophthalmology. At least, I would hope so.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| serebel 2005-05-18, 11:45 am |
| I would run, not walk from someone like Wizzer in regard to eye care.
SErebel
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| gospa68@aol.com 2005-05-18, 11:46 am |
| Thank you, Mr. Integrity! The difference between you and me is that you
are part of the established order that protects a procedure that
deserves much more scrutiny and transparency (other than conversations
about issues patient's should know about that are only shared in
private). You will always be greeted warmly and welcomed as you are one
of the "club," and not the consumer protectionist that you would like
others to believe you to be.
I, on the other hand, am an observer (as a practitioner of another
subspecialty) and am not part of the LASIK "club" - that is, I have no
vested interest in anything but patient welfare. I agree, that with
revelation of self, those vested such as yourself will try to link me
with the "bovine fertilizer" that you created and sleep in. You and
others have the track record as others that have tried to speak out
have been attacked publicly, and privately. It is part and parcel of
the "professionalism (??) of refractive surgery." This is the community
you participate in, not me.
WK
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2005-05-18, 11:46 am |
| But then WizKid, we don't really know who or what you are, do we. We
all must take your word for it. That word has already been shown to
be inaccurate and/or misleading on several occasions.
If you don't like your peers in refractive surgery, then do something
about it. I did.
I am delighted with the role CRSQA and I play in the "refractive
surgery industry". Doctors may not be my peers, but I am able to
participating in the evaluation of some of those doctors, provide
researched information to patents, and help patients find the better
doctors though referral to doctors we have evaluated, and with our 50
Tough Questions For Your Doctor.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| gospa68@aol.com 2005-05-18, 11:46 am |
| I think it is time we put together "50 Tough Questions for the CRSQA."
- long overdue.
Question 1 - What percentage of the CRSQA income is paid by surgeons
who perform LASIK? What percentage is from "other"?
Question 2 - What does the CRSQA pay you annually?
Question 3 - How much are CRSQA board members paid?
Question 4 - How many claims have been made against CRSQA surgeons?
Lawsuits?
Question 5 - What is the protocol for collecting data that is forwarded
to the CRSQA? Does the CRSQA ever audit exam results with independent
examiners as is required for FDA trials?
Question 6 - How many LASIK procedures are done as a percentage of the
total procedures done in a practice?
Question 7 - What is the second most prevalent procedure for a CRSQA
member? What percentage of the total does it represent?
Question 8 - Does the CRSQA have sales people or pay third parties to
recruit new members?
Question 9 - Does the CRSQA audit informed consents? In-practice
marketing? and advertising?
Question 10 - Why does the CRSQA provide negative public comment for
refractive procedures other than LASIK?
More to come. Others are free to add to this list.
WK
WK
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2005-05-18, 11:46 am |
| So far WizKid, you have not come up with a single issue that has not
been discussed before or is not already on our website. If you come
up with something new, I'll be glad to respond.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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