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I found why Ragnar Rags on LVI-finally
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| Michael Rosen 2005-04-22, 8:52 am |
| I had wondered why Ragnar had it in for the Lasik Vision Institute. Now I
know. Here's what he wrote:
"Why the Axis of Evil don't focus thier campaign of terror agains
places like LVI is beyond me. LVI is horrible. What you wrote below
is extremely similar to what happened to me. It took them over a
month to refund my $1900 and I had to get very mean and wound up
calling their headquarters to get the refund.
A lot of people have a problem with Co-management of refractive
surgery. I have the opposite opinion. I know of NO surgeon that I
would trust to handle surgery without anybody else knowing what he was
up to. My OD is as bright as any surgeon and he wouldn't let a
surgeon bully a patient. In the case of LVI, the center was outright
lying to my OD and not telling him what was going on there. He knows
NOW. LVI's days are numbered. The only way they can keep from going
bankrupt - again - is to cut corners and put out illegal advertising.
Now that the FTC is on their XXX, they won't be able to continue to
suck people in with their ads."
His bad experience is why he says such ridiculous things about a reputable
company with some of the finest surgeons working today. It's too bad that
he had a bad experience but believing his ravings is akin to believing any
disgruntled individual. Their bitterness colors everything related to their
perceived tormentor and anything resembling fair-mindedness is virtually
impossible. I had read a number of his posts and wondered what his motives
were for all his over-the-top badmouthing of LVI. Now I know. The mystery
is solved. A typical reaction from a rather atypical person, atypical in
the relentlessness of his bitterness.
My advice to you, Ragnar. Let it go.
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| Ragnar 2005-04-22, 8:52 am |
| Well, if you want to buy some used and/or expired contact lenses, or
if you want to go somewhere that holds the world's record for
infections, or a place that has over twice the retreatment rate of any
other place, then LVI is for you. If you were sold on the procedure
by listening to a lecture about how wonderful the surgeon is - and
then that surgeon has another surgeon doing his procedures for him,
and doing them as fast as possible so he won't miss his flight that
evening, then LVI is for you. If you think 8 of 9 pre-screened LASIK
patents being told they can't have LASIK 2 minutes before their
surgeries is acceptabe - go to LVI.
I had a wonderful experience with LASIK, I didn't have my LASIK done
at LVI though.
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 04:50:06 GMT, "Michael Rosen"
<mikeyr@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>I had wondered why Ragnar had it in for the Lasik Vision Institute. Now I
>know. Here's what he wrote:
>
>"Why the Axis of Evil don't focus thier campaign of terror agains
>places like LVI is beyond me. LVI is horrible. What you wrote below
>is extremely similar to what happened to me. It took them over a
>month to refund my $1900 and I had to get very mean and wound up
>calling their headquarters to get the refund.
>
>
>A lot of people have a problem with Co-management of refractive
>surgery. I have the opposite opinion. I know of NO surgeon that I
>would trust to handle surgery without anybody else knowing what he was
>up to. My OD is as bright as any surgeon and he wouldn't let a
>surgeon bully a patient. In the case of LVI, the center was outright
>lying to my OD and not telling him what was going on there. He knows
>NOW. LVI's days are numbered. The only way they can keep from going
>bankrupt - again - is to cut corners and put out illegal advertising.
>Now that the FTC is on their XXX, they won't be able to continue to
>suck people in with their ads."
>
>
>
>His bad experience is why he says such ridiculous things about a reputable
>company with some of the finest surgeons working today. It's too bad that
>he had a bad experience but believing his ravings is akin to believing any
>disgruntled individual. Their bitterness colors everything related to their
>perceived tormentor and anything resembling fair-mindedness is virtually
>impossible. I had read a number of his posts and wondered what his motives
>were for all his over-the-top badmouthing of LVI. Now I know. The mystery
>is solved. A typical reaction from a rather atypical person, atypical in
>the relentlessness of his bitterness.
>
>
>
>My advice to you, Ragnar. Let it go.
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>
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| Ragnar 2005-04-24, 5:56 pm |
| I re-read this post and it deserves another reply...
You claim that LVI has some of the finest surgeons working today.
That is complete nonsense. They employ amongst the worst surgeons in
the country including one who probably set the world record for the
number of complications in one day of any lasik surgeon in the world.
LVI surgeons typically do not work at any one facility. they fly from
location to location, servicing as many as 10 locations over distances
of thousands of miles. They show up for a day, push the button on a
load of patients they have never seen before and will never see again.
They don't do their own followups, they do not track their results,
and they are not aware of how their lasers are peforming. A laser is
unique in that it's characteristics are a little bit different after
every procedure. A laser should only be used by one surgeon, and that
surgeon should be completely familiar with that particular laser. The
laser system should also be BOLTED to the floor, not on wheels and
stuck on a truck like at LVI. The floor of the LVI laser room is
covered with curved black lines from the hundreds of times their laser
has been wheeled in and out of the room.
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 04:50:06 GMT, "Michael Rosen"
<mikeyr@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>I had wondered why Ragnar had it in for the Lasik Vision Institute. Now I
>know. Here's what he wrote:
>
>"Why the Axis of Evil don't focus thier campaign of terror agains
>places like LVI is beyond me. LVI is horrible. What you wrote below
>is extremely similar to what happened to me. It took them over a
>month to refund my $1900 and I had to get very mean and wound up
>calling their headquarters to get the refund.
>
>
>A lot of people have a problem with Co-management of refractive
>surgery. I have the opposite opinion. I know of NO surgeon that I
>would trust to handle surgery without anybody else knowing what he was
>up to. My OD is as bright as any surgeon and he wouldn't let a
>surgeon bully a patient. In the case of LVI, the center was outright
>lying to my OD and not telling him what was going on there. He knows
>NOW. LVI's days are numbered. The only way they can keep from going
>bankrupt - again - is to cut corners and put out illegal advertising.
>Now that the FTC is on their XXX, they won't be able to continue to
>suck people in with their ads."
>
>
>
>His bad experience is why he says such ridiculous things about a reputable
>company with some of the finest surgeons working today. It's too bad that
>he had a bad experience but believing his ravings is akin to believing any
>disgruntled individual. Their bitterness colors everything related to their
>perceived tormentor and anything resembling fair-mindedness is virtually
>impossible. I had read a number of his posts and wondered what his motives
>were for all his over-the-top badmouthing of LVI. Now I know. The mystery
>is solved. A typical reaction from a rather atypical person, atypical in
>the relentlessness of his bitterness.
>
>
>
>My advice to you, Ragnar. Let it go.
>
>
>
>
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| lindakendall3155@gmail.com 2005-04-24, 11:00 pm |
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Ragnar wrote:
> I re-read this post and it deserves another reply...
> You claim that LVI has some of the finest surgeons working today.
> That is complete nonsense. They employ amongst the worst surgeons in
> the country including one who probably set the world record for the
> number of complications in one day of any lasik surgeon in the world.
> LVI surgeons typically do not work at any one facility. they fly
from
> location to location, servicing as many as 10 locations over
distances
> of thousands of miles. They show up for a day, push the button on a
> load of patients they have never seen before and will never see
again.
> They don't do their own followups, they do not track their results,
> and they are not aware of how their lasers are peforming. A laser is
> unique in that it's characteristics are a little bit different after
> every procedure. A laser should only be used by one surgeon, and
that
> surgeon should be completely familiar with that particular laser.
The
> laser system should also be BOLTED to the floor, not on wheels and
> stuck on a truck like at LVI. The floor of the LVI laser room is
> covered with curved black lines from the hundreds of times their
laser
> has been wheeled in and out of the room.
>
Ragnar,
I'm trying to ask this as respectfully as possible. Do you sell Lasik
for a particular provider? I can recall several months ago that this
was implied or stated outright by several posters here. Is this why you
are so vehemently against LVI? Are they in direct competition with your
provider? Your knowledge of Lasik seems to have improved markedly over
the last year or so which leads me to assume that you are definitely in
the Lasik industry in some capacity. I don't particularly care, I am
just trying to establish why you defend Lasik the way you do whilst at
the same time slamming LVI.
Regards,
Linda[vbcol=seagreen]
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> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 04:50:06 GMT, "Michael Rosen"
> <mikeyr@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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| Ragnar 2005-04-24, 11:00 pm |
| LVI is disgusting, and the fact that they remain in business shows how
screwed up this country is (and is getting worse - not better).
LVI is a cancer to the medical field and society.
The only thing I will let LVI off the hook on slightly is that they
are split up into 3 regions of control. They have had major scandals
in Florida, California, and some states in the Northeast, so I think
their policies are pretty much consistent throughout all 3 regions.
They also play games like going bankrupt, changing their company
names, having an incredibly high staff turnover rate, having a
pre-paid eyecare plan which markets itself as being insurance, and
have a seperate division for their contacts and glasses. In short,
they pull every sleazy stunt in the book and continue to do so - even
after technically handing the reigns of control over so some company
that bails out companies in turmoil. I think the only way they stay
in business is by paying off state government agencies millions of
dollars in settlements. This is exactly the same as paying bribes and
payoffs as is done in organized crime, except they are paying off
government agencies.
My motivations are irrelevant. What they do is indefensible.
On 24 Apr 2005 16:52:20 -0700, lindakendall3155@gmail.com wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>Ragnar wrote:
>from
>distances
>again.
>that
>The
>laser
>Ragnar,
>I'm trying to ask this as respectfully as possible. Do you sell Lasik
>for a particular provider? I can recall several months ago that this
>was implied or stated outright by several posters here. Is this why you
>are so vehemently against LVI? Are they in direct competition with your
>provider? Your knowledge of Lasik seems to have improved markedly over
>the last year or so which leads me to assume that you are definitely in
>the Lasik industry in some capacity. I don't particularly care, I am
>just trying to establish why you defend Lasik the way you do whilst at
>the same time slamming LVI.
>Regards,
>Linda
>Now I
>below
>was
>outright
>knows
>going
>advertising.
>reputable
>bad that
>believing any
>to their
>virtually
>motives
>mystery
>atypical in
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| serebel 2005-04-24, 11:00 pm |
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lindakendall3155@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm trying to ask this as respectfully as possible. Do you sell Lasik
> for a particular provider? I can recall several months ago that this
> was implied or stated outright by several posters here. Is this why
you
> are so vehemently against LVI? Are they in direct competition with
your
> provider? Your knowledge of Lasik seems to have improved markedly
over
> the last year or so which leads me to assume that you are definitely
in
> the Lasik industry in some capacity. I don't particularly care, I am
> just trying to establish why you defend Lasik the way you do whilst
at
> the same time slamming LVI.
> Regards,
> Linda
Linda,
Ragnar does rail against LVI, but to my recollection, he has never
touted his own surgeon. For example, he does not say LVI sucks,so you
should go to dr. X .
SErebel
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| Ragnar 2005-04-25, 8:54 am |
| On 24 Apr 2005 19:11:38 -0700, "serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote:
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>lindakendall3155@gmail.com wrote:
>you
>your
>over
>in
>at
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>
>Linda,
>
>Ragnar does rail against LVI, but to my recollection, he has never
>touted his own surgeon. For example, he does not say LVI sucks,so you
>should go to dr. X .
>
>SErebel
Right..
LVI is an awful company. Regardless of whether they are performing
eye surgery or making toothpicks - they do a lousy job, get lousy
results, have lousy policies, etc. And getting back to a previous
post about the caliber of LVI surgeons. No credible surgeon would
ever work for LVI. I find it interesting that none of the malcontents
ever pick on LVI - in fact, if anything, they defend it! They love
LVI because LVI gives them the negative results. The malcontents love
it when people have complications - the more the better. It's kind of
the "I told you so" mentality.
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