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Link, Hanson, Keller + their many alter ego's.
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| Pete J 2005-04-19, 10:59 pm |
| Do you realise that by posting from so many various names that you are
simply reducing how credible anything you bring up here is?
If you have anything intelligent and relevant to bring to the
discussions on LASIK, why not post simply with your actual name? Do you
really care that much whether Glenn and the others you supposedly hate
so much have you in their kill filter? Or is it that you simply wish to
waste your lives going round and round in circles over old territory.
Anyone with half a brain can access it with Google groups anyway.
If you're that bothered about Glenn, why not just create a signature
telling people to have a look on Google groups for your "truth" about
CRSQA or whatever... or just get over it.
It appears to me you seem to get some sort of bizarre pleasure from
constantly bringing up arguments and wasting people's time. I'm very
close to stopping reading this group purely because of the childish and
immature manner in which you people act, not that it matters to
yourselves - because I only lurk here generally anyway.
Pete.
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| Richard 2005-04-19, 10:59 pm |
| Pete J <pete@j.com> wrote in news:jsc9e.110368$Nr5.45285
@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk:
> Do you realise that by posting from so many various names that you are
> simply reducing how credible anything you bring up here is?
>
> If you have anything intelligent and relevant to bring to the
> discussions on LASIK, why not post simply with your actual name? Do you
> really care that much whether Glenn and the others you supposedly hate
> so much have you in their kill filter? Or is it that you simply wish to
> waste your lives going round and round in circles over old territory.
> Anyone with half a brain can access it with Google groups anyway.
>
> If you're that bothered about Glenn, why not just create a signature
> telling people to have a look on Google groups for your "truth" about
> CRSQA or whatever... or just get over it.
>
> It appears to me you seem to get some sort of bizarre pleasure from
> constantly bringing up arguments and wasting people's time. I'm very
> close to stopping reading this group purely because of the childish and
> immature manner in which you people act, not that it matters to
> yourselves - because I only lurk here generally anyway.
>
The only thing I can think of is they are trying to drive off people from
this newsgroup. It's tempting, but so far I have just expanded my
killfile significantly recently. At this point they have zero
credibility anyway.
--
Richard
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| CatmanX 2005-04-19, 10:59 pm |
| Richard and pete, aka cliffy roilland, aka ragbrain, who has no
credibility and who posts under many names to harass others on the
ng???
dr grant
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| LASIKtruth 2005-04-19, 10:59 pm |
| That's the irony, Pete. I'm not Link, Hanson or Keller. And the immature and
childish posts are generally the offerings of Ragnar and SErebel. OK,
sometimes Glenn tosses out a whiny little snit I must confess. How tiresome.
"Pete J" <pete@j.com> wrote in message
news:jsc9e.110368$Nr5.45285@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Do you realise that by posting from so many various names that you are
> simply reducing how credible anything you bring up here is?
>
> If you have anything intelligent and relevant to bring to the discussions
> on LASIK, why not post simply with your actual name? Do you really care
> that much whether Glenn and the others you supposedly hate so much have
> you in their kill filter? Or is it that you simply wish to waste your
> lives going round and round in circles over old territory. Anyone with
> half a brain can access it with Google groups anyway.
>
> If you're that bothered about Glenn, why not just create a signature
> telling people to have a look on Google groups for your "truth" about
> CRSQA or whatever... or just get over it.
>
> It appears to me you seem to get some sort of bizarre pleasure from
> constantly bringing up arguments and wasting people's time. I'm very close
> to stopping reading this group purely because of the childish and immature
> manner in which you people act, not that it matters to yourselves -
> because I only lurk here generally anyway.
>
> Pete.
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| Ragnar 2005-04-19, 11:00 pm |
| you hit the nail on the head richard.. those yoyo's know that people
have killfiled them... they realize the only way to force people to
see their garbage is to post under new names.
On 19 Apr 2005 19:35:27 GMT, Richard <RichardRapier@netscape.net>
wrote:
>Pete J <pete@j.com> wrote in news:jsc9e.110368$Nr5.45285
>@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk:
>
>
>The only thing I can think of is they are trying to drive off people from
>this newsgroup. It's tempting, but so far I have just expanded my
>killfile significantly recently. At this point they have zero
>credibility anyway.
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| serebel 2005-04-19, 11:00 pm |
| Keller here would rather have one rely on the rantings of the loonie
fringe. If the oddball few don't like the goings on around here, too
bad.
SErebel
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2005-04-20, 8:54 am |
| The pathology of those who you mentioned is truly sad. I mean that
sincerely. Not only have they suffered real objective problems due to
getting the short end of the LASIK stick, but due to their inability
to resolve their circumstances in a mentally healthy and productive
manner, they expand and exacerbate the physical damage they have
suffered into destructive obsession.
So long as intelligent and reasoned information is available in this
forum, these individuals will attempt to harass not only the authors
of that information into leaving, but also make a visit by the readers
of that information so frustrating that the readers will depart. I
assume that is their goal. As if the only source of intelligent and
reasoned information was this newsgroup and if the readers no longer
visited this newsgroup they would be without other resources.
What I truly do not understand is why these people post and repost
information that is so easily proven inaccurate, misleading, or an
outright lie. I guess that is part of the pathology, but it really is
unnecessary. If they want to scare people from LASIK and harm the
industry that they think harmed them (absolving themselves of
complicity along the way), then they could simply use the reality.
For the majority of people, the factual reality of LASIK is enough to
keep them from having it.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| Richard 2005-04-20, 11:51 am |
| "CatmanX" <grantm@connexus.net.au> wrote in news:1113942950.220419.260770
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> Richard and pete, aka cliffy roilland, aka ragbrain, who has no
> credibility and who posts under many names to harass others on the
> ng???
>
> dr grant
>
If you are implying that I am one of them here, then you are quite
mistaken. If you are asking if I KF people who are rabid on both sides of
the issue, then the answer is yes.
--
Richard
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| Linda 2005-04-20, 10:52 pm |
| "LASIKtruth" <LASIKtruth@Yahoo_nospam.com> wrote in message news:<1113951745.2806ae79577bb9c0e59c772114033d0e@teranews>...[vbcol=seagreen]
> That's the irony, Pete. I'm not Link, Hanson or Keller. And the immature and
> childish posts are generally the offerings of Ragnar and SErebel. OK,
> sometimes Glenn tosses out a whiny little snit I must confess. How tiresome.
>
>
> "Pete J" <pete@j.com> wrote in message
> news:jsc9e.110368$Nr5.45285@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
If people believe in what they are saying and have the courage of
their convictions, why change aliases constantly? That applies to both
sides of the Lasik argument.
Linda
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| Sandy - LASIKdisaster.com - LASIKmemorial.com 2005-04-20, 10:52 pm |
| You can leave me off your list, "Pete". I'm not posting under other
names, and rarely bother with this group or anything having to do with
lasik any longer. I just plain don't have time, and I'm glad I don't.
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| Ron Link 2005-04-21, 8:54 am |
| Ditto for me Pete. I rarely come over here. If I do, it's once in a
blue moon and then only to continue to catalog the libel of Roiland and
Hagele. They keep extending the statute of limitations so I do visit
occasionally. I'm proud of the work of SE -the people that were helped
in some way know what it did for them and that quiet reward is all that
matters. Peace and good luck. Ron Link
Sandy - LASIKdisaster.com - LASIKmemorial.com wrote:
> You can leave me off your list, "Pete". I'm not posting under other
> names, and rarely bother with this group or anything having to do
with
> lasik any longer. I just plain don't have time, and I'm glad I
don't.
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| Ragnar 2005-04-21, 5:53 pm |
| If anybody needs suing, it's the crook who is collecting disability
payments.
On 20 Apr 2005 21:25:37 -0700, "Ron Link" <ronjohnlink@aol.com> wrote:
>Ditto for me Pete. I rarely come over here. If I do, it's once in a
>blue moon and then only to continue to catalog the libel of Roiland and
>Hagele. They keep extending the statute of limitations so I do visit
>occasionally. I'm proud of the work of SE -the people that were helped
>in some way know what it did for them and that quiet reward is all that
>matters. Peace and good luck. Ron Link
>
>
>Sandy - LASIKdisaster.com - LASIKmemorial.com wrote:
>with
>don't.
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2005-04-21, 5:53 pm |
| Oh they believe in what they are saying, Linda. It's just that in
short order they realize that nobody else is believing what they are
saying. If they change identity, there is the possibility that
someone will listen yet again, or they will get through a filter that
has been killing messages from their old personality.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2005-04-21, 5:53 pm |
| Ron, you are so full of it your eyes are brown.
Months ago you came here with your grand pronouncements of an
impending letter outlining all this supposed libel from me. I have
received nothing, and we both know I never will because I have never
libeled you.
You crashed and burned, Link. You began believing your own press.
You drove SurgicalEyes into the ground so far that even those who
remained to clean up your mess and resurrect it cannot succeed. Then
you send us all a memo asking to give SurgicalEyes money so they can
pay you money you say they owe you. You have never been low on
chutzpa, but I think that one made a lot of people see you for what
you really are.
Quit embarrassing yourself and the memory of what SurgicalEyes once
might have been. Just accept your self orchestrated demise and move
on.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| Ragnar 2005-04-21, 10:53 pm |
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:42:35 GMT, Glenn - USAEyes.org
<glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org> wrote:
>Ron, you are so full of it your eyes are brown.
I don't want to be around if the cork pops out!
>
>Months ago you came here with your grand pronouncements of an
>impending letter outlining all this supposed libel from me. I have
>received nothing, and we both know I never will because I have never
>libeled you.
>
>You crashed and burned, Link. You began believing your own press.
>You drove SurgicalEyes into the ground so far that even those who
>remained to clean up your mess and resurrect it cannot succeed. Then
>you send us all a memo asking to give SurgicalEyes money so they can
>pay you money you say they owe you. You have never been low on
>chutzpa, but I think that one made a lot of people see you for what
>you really are.
>
>Quit embarrassing yourself and the memory of what SurgicalEyes once
>might have been. Just accept your self orchestrated demise and move
>on.
>
>Glenn Hagele
>Executive Director
>Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance
>
>Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
>
>http://www.USAEyes.org
>http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
>
>I am not a doctor.
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| serebel 2005-04-21, 10:53 pm |
|
Ron Link wrote:
> Ditto for me Pete. I rarely come over here. If I do, it's once in a
> blue moon and then only to continue to catalog the libel of Roiland
and
> Hagele. They keep extending the statute of limitations so I do visit
> occasionally. I'm proud of the work of SE -the people that were
helped
> in some way know what it did for them and that quiet reward is all
that
> matters. Peace and good luck. Ron Link
>
>
Ooooh, something to be proud of, running SE into the ground, enabling
the loonie fringe, then begging for money. The threat of libel suits is
just plain funny. Are you sure you had RK and not a lobotomy?
SErebel
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| Ron Link 2005-04-21, 10:53 pm |
| Hagele - yes, you have libeled me. Quite recently, as a matter of fact
in addition to the other catalogued incidents.
As far as me running SE into the ground. Another lie. You know nothing
so you continue as always, to make things up as far as SE or me are
concerned.
I have moved on. It's you that is steeped in hatred. I'm so glad not to
have to deal with you anymore.
When I feel up to it, you and Roiland will receive your legal
comeupance. Having moved on, to revisit just because you are still at
it - isn't enough justification to expend the energy. I don't need you
in my spiritual space nor your sidekick Roiland.
For the record, I'm not Barnard. Retract or it will simply be added to
the list. It's only yourself that you are harming by undermining your
credibility because your hatred overwhelms you. I thought you had more
self-restraint than to jump on a bandwagon of assumption and innuendo.
It's refreshing not to have you be a part of my life anymore.
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| In article <1114140138.608494.313170@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"Ron Link" <ronjohnlink@aol.com> wrote:
> It's refreshing not to have you be a part of my life anymore.
I find these personal vendettas extremely bizarre. You know you've lost
your way when it becomes more about personalities and less about the
issue at hand, ie. how to help people who've had bad LASIK outcomes,
educate people interested in LASIK about the procedure, inform people of
the risks and benefits of the procedure, and to discuss innovations and
limitations of the field.
--
~RT
The truth lies somewhere between Ragnar and LASIKtruth
Two sides of the same coin
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| serebel 2005-04-22, 8:52 am |
| Watch out Glenn and Rags, when Link feels like it, he's gonna double
dog dare you. Spiritual space, if you violate it, is it an assault? Do
you need a medium to try the case? This could be the most ludicrous
lawsuit in US history. Can't wait to read it in the comic section.
SErebel
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| Ron Link 2005-04-22, 8:52 am |
| If Glenn hadn't have been so rabidly dedicated in trying to discredit
SE or me, I might think more of him. So, it is refreshing to have moved
on from his petty hatred and lies. SE helped many people who have had
bad LASIK outcomes and was the place to discuss innovations and
limitations of the field. I organized several conferences in
cooperation with leading MDs and ODs that yielded results. That truth
can never be changed by Hagele, Roiland nor anyone else. I didn't lose
my way. I was never lost. I've simply moved on.
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| serebel 2005-04-22, 8:52 am |
| Doesn't seem like it here.
SErebel
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| Ron Link 2005-04-22, 8:52 am |
| It really is kind of sad that you have to hang out it here. huh?
violations of spiritual space? serebel - you do such a fine job
trashing yourself that nothing more need be said.
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| serebel 2005-04-22, 8:52 am |
| Okay you screwed up loon, how did I trash myself? Not that I would get
in your spiritual space. You might be contagious.
SErebel
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| Ragnar 2005-04-22, 8:52 am |
| On 21 Apr 2005 19:26:43 -0700, "serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote:
>
>Ron Link wrote:
>and
>helped
>that
>
>Ooooh, something to be proud of, running SE into the ground, enabling
>the loonie fringe, then begging for money. The threat of libel suits is
>just plain funny. Are you sure you had RK and not a lobotomy?
If you remember, he kind of had both, though the lobotomy was done in
the alley of a bar.
>
>SErebel
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| Ragnar 2005-04-22, 8:52 am |
| You have moved on?
Movied on to what?
You are nuttier than a fruitcake.
Let's play Ron's game:
"I demand that everyone, everywhere who ever criticized me for
anything retract their comments or I'm going to sue you for libel"
- There's several thousand libel cases.
On 21 Apr 2005 20:22:18 -0700, "Ron Link" <ronjohnlink@aol.com> wrote:
>Hagele - yes, you have libeled me. Quite recently, as a matter of fact
>in addition to the other catalogued incidents.
>
>As far as me running SE into the ground. Another lie. You know nothing
>so you continue as always, to make things up as far as SE or me are
>concerned.
>
>I have moved on. It's you that is steeped in hatred. I'm so glad not to
>have to deal with you anymore.
>
>When I feel up to it, you and Roiland will receive your legal
>comeupance. Having moved on, to revisit just because you are still at
>it - isn't enough justification to expend the energy. I don't need you
>in my spiritual space nor your sidekick Roiland.
>
>For the record, I'm not Barnard. Retract or it will simply be added to
>the list. It's only yourself that you are harming by undermining your
>credibility because your hatred overwhelms you. I thought you had more
>self-restraint than to jump on a bandwagon of assumption and innuendo.
>
>It's refreshing not to have you be a part of my life anymore.
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| Ragnar 2005-04-22, 8:52 am |
| It just goes to show you that all he really cares about is himself.
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 03:33:26 GMT, RT <RTMD24@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <1114140138.608494.313170@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
> "Ron Link" <ronjohnlink@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>I find these personal vendettas extremely bizarre. You know you've lost
>your way when it becomes more about personalities and less about the
>issue at hand, ie. how to help people who've had bad LASIK outcomes,
>educate people interested in LASIK about the procedure, inform people of
>the risks and benefits of the procedure, and to discuss innovations and
>limitations of the field.
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| Ragnar 2005-04-22, 8:52 am |
| I'm not aware of it helping anyone at all. It brought in a little
money by preying upon the fears of people, and it distributed
misinformation on a grand scale. What else did it do?
Saying SE was helpful is like saying a great way to lose weight is by
getting cancer and chemotherapy.
On 21 Apr 2005 21:16:05 -0700, "Ron Link" <ronjohnlink@aol.com> wrote:
>If Glenn hadn't have been so rabidly dedicated in trying to discredit
>SE or me, I might think more of him. So, it is refreshing to have moved
>on from his petty hatred and lies. SE helped many people who have had
>bad LASIK outcomes and was the place to discuss innovations and
>limitations of the field. I organized several conferences in
>cooperation with leading MDs and ODs that yielded results. That truth
>can never be changed by Hagele, Roiland nor anyone else. I didn't lose
>my way. I was never lost. I've simply moved on.
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| In article <1114143365.625675.149260@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Ron Link" <ronjohnlink@aol.com> wrote:
> I didn't lose my way. I was never lost. I've simply moved on.
I wasn't only talking about you, but about everyone on this NG who finds
it easier to fling juvenile insults than discuss the issues. That
includes you, Ragnar, Grant, SErebel, (formally) Dr. G and even Glenn.
It was in response to a recent spate of name calling on this NG. I do
think that name calling, litigation threats etc. is losing your way and
losing sight (pun intended) of the issue at hand.
--
~RT
The truth lies somewhere between Ragnar and LASIKtruth
Two sides of the same coin
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2005-04-23, 11:50 am |
| Link's latest reminds me of a Shakespearean quote:
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying
nothing."
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| Sandy - LASIKdisaster.com - LASIKmemorial.com 2005-04-27, 8:53 am |
| Christopher, you have no knowledge of the help SE provided.
Personally, I am still wearing the zWave lens that I never would have
known about if not for SE. My current OD offered his services to SE at
one of the industry meetings when SE had a booth, and was listed there
on the website, which is how I found him. He has been wonderful to me,
even though way back when, I had angrily called him right after that
infamous seminar my surgeon did and told him that he shouldn't be
co-managing with him. SE was the channel through which I found the top
docs in Los Angeles to consult with, and through which I met other
casualties of lasik. The friends I made helped me through my
depression. They were the only people who understood what I was going
through emotionally and visually.
You have no clue, so find another subject to rant about.
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| serebel 2005-04-27, 10:54 pm |
| Of course you have that fuzzy feeling for SE. You're just as loonie as
the rest of them. Birds of a feather you know. Amazing how you no
longer post over there.
SErebel
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