Lasik Eyes Surgery - Is "Dr." Grant Mason an idiot? Or is he just been drinking?

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Is "Dr." Grant Mason an idiot? Or is he just been drinking?

Brent Hanson - LasikFraud.com

2005-04-11, 6:14 pm

Dr. Mason proposes that good surgeons "test" for these complications before
performing surgery.

Perhaps Dr. Mason doesn't understand that complications occur AFTER surgery,
not BEFORE surgery.

"CatmanX" <grantm@connexus.net.au> wrote in message
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Last, time I spoke to a refractive surgeon, he tested every one of
these in every patient he saw. Maybe it's just the company I keep, but
any good surgeon actively searches for potential problems and will not
procede unless everything is OK. THen of course, there are.......

Ragnar

2005-04-11, 6:14 pm

For those who don't understand Brent's comment fully, Grant Mason is
not a doctor. He's teasing him.

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:43:10 -0700, "Brent Hanson - LasikFraud.com"
<brent@lasikfraud_nospam.com> wrote:

>Dr. Mason proposes that good surgeons "test" for these complications before
>performing surgery.
>

Glenn - USAEyes.org

2005-04-11, 6:14 pm

It is prevention of complications that occurs before surgery, with
good evaluations.

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org

I am not a doctor.

Ragnar

2005-04-13, 4:44 pm

Glenn, you are overlooking who you are responding to. Yoyo's like
Minarik and Mason have zero interest in helping anybody. They are
here only to massage their own egos, make some absurd attacks on
LASIK, and try to scare people.
Mason can't possibly be that stupid. He was just trying to stir up
some controversy.

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:05:50 GMT, Glenn - USAEyes.org
<glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org> wrote:

>It is prevention of complications that occurs before surgery, with
>good evaluations.
>
>Glenn Hagele
>Executive Director
>Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance
>
>Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
>
>http://www.USAEyes.org
>http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
>
>I am not a doctor.

LASIKtruth

2005-04-13, 4:44 pm

Glenn!

You know that LASIK is an inexact procedure and that accidents happen during
surgery. No one can predict visual outcome (aside from certainty that your
corneal integrity will never be restored, that you will lose precious and
irreplaceable corneal tissue, that you will have your corneal nerves severed
and not recover pre-operative corneal nerve density...and the of course
there's the near certainty that aberrations will be introduced in your
visual system).

Furthermore, no one can predict whether a patient will have an abnormal
healing response.

Good evaluations cannot prevent LASIK
catastrophe.

Readers... don't get LASIK. Take a terrific vacation, buy your dream car but
don't risk your vision with a risky, damaging and poorly/understudied and
oversold elective surgery.

P.S. For those who don't know...Glenn makes his living promoting LASIK even
though he knows that it is a bad procedure that's going down the tubes.
Glenn, get a conscience and find something else to do for a living.

"Glenn - USAEyes.org" <glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org> wrote in message
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> It is prevention of complications that occurs before surgery, with
> good evaluations.
>
> Glenn Hagele
> Executive Director
> Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance
>
> Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
>
> http://www.USAEyes.org
> http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
>
> I am not a doctor.

Glenn - USAEyes.org

2005-04-13, 4:44 pm

It really is sad, you know. How some people must twist the words of
others, outright lie, and demand everyone toss all common sense to the
wind in a desperate and futile attempt to forward an agenda that
cannot be substantiated with science or reason.

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org

I am not a doctor.

LASIKtruth

2005-04-13, 4:44 pm

Yes, Glenn. I would have to agree. A rigorous prospective, randomized,
controlled study has never performed to firmly establish the safety and
efficacy of LASIK. It is a breach medical ethics that such a study was not
performed. It is also a breach of medical ethics, something known as the
INFORMED CONSENT, that there is no requirement that patients be clearly
informed that their corneal integrity will not be restored following LASIK
and that corneal nerves are severed by LASIK surgery and demonstrated NOT to
regenerate to previous levels - they are not required by law to be warned of
the resulting risk of dry eye and that dry eye can be debilitating! A Mayo
Clinic study measured corneal nerve density at less than 60% of normal
density at the 3 year point after LASIK. Investigative Ophthalmology and
Visual Science. 2004; 45:3991-3996. This is a sobering finding and not the
only study indicating that nerves do not just 'regenerate back to normal'
after LASIK. Why isn't someone placing the skids under the LASIK wheels now
that this is known?

Use eye drops for a while and you'll be fine? If long term, perhaps
permanent nerve damage is your definition of fine, perhaps.

Why aren't patients informed that LASIK almost always increases higher order
aberrations in the cornea? Who would want this for their own corneas, Glenn?
Can you name a LASIK surgeon who has had LASIK in the past year... since
reports of LASIK damage in all eyes studied have been published in top tier
peer-reviewed journals? Name one surgeon, please.

You do know about the Ophthalmologist, Dr. Sandra Brown who had her vision
damaged by LASIK and has filed a lawsuit (no... she did not have surgery
within the past year - she had LASIK before studies documenting long-term
nerve damage were published and before the availability and widespread use
of aberrometry proved that LASIK increases aberrations in eyes). If a LASIK
surgeon can't get it 'right' on a fellow Ophthalmologist why should any
patient out their risk their own eyes?

The FDA, LASIK surgeons, laser manufacturers and past and present Ophthalmic
Devices panel members have allowed an agenda to be forwarded that cannot be
justified or substantiated with science or reason, and like Vioxx and
tobacco the public has been exposed to harm by something demonstrably unsafe
and medically unsound. Motive? Greed.

Many have had their lives devastated by LASIK. It really is sad, you know.

Glenn, SHOW us a study that demonstrates that corneal nerves regenerate
fully. You can't, because they don't.

Glenn, SHOW us a study that indicates that the integrity of the cornea is
fully restored after LASIK and that patients do not have a fragile interface
for the rest of their lives. You can't do that either - post LASIKs are at
increased risk for traumatic eye injury for life, from something as simple
as an accidental finger poke.

Glenn, SHOW us a study that indicates that patients are likely to have a
decrease, on average, in their higher order aberrations (corneal distortions
that cannot be fixed by glasses) rather than an increase? Can't do that
either. The fact that LASIK induces these distortions was recorded in FDA
transcripts but not reported to the public. Gee, we should post a copy of
those transcripts here. That would be illuminating.

Glenn, SHOW us a study that rigorously studies the effect of pupil size on
visual outcome after LASIK and demonstrates that pupil size doesn't matter.
Glenn, there is a mountain of literature against you here and such a study
does not exist. Go ahead and knock yourself out trying to find one. Please
don't mention that trash Schallhorn published... without a shred of
non-subjective data and including only a single patient with a pupil over
7.5. LASIK surgeons are still, even now, ruining the vision of patients with
large pupils. There is absolutely no excuse. It is a practice that cannot be
substantiated with science or reason...the only possible explanations are
ignorance - and greed.

"Glenn - USAEyes.org" <glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org> wrote in message
news:cbpo511vloahos5etrudod49e919joduhv@4ax.com...
> It really is sad, you know. How some people must twist the words of
> others, outright lie, and demand everyone toss all common sense to the
> wind in a desperate and futile attempt to forward an agenda that
> cannot be substantiated with science or reason.
>
> Glenn Hagele
> Executive Director
> Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance
>
> Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
>
> http://www.USAEyes.org
> http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
>
> I am not a doctor.