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| moneytrain8@gmail.com 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
| Hello,
I have a mild nearsightedness (-2.75 in both eyes). I'm currently
scheduled for a LASIK procedure on 17 March 2005 in Washington DC.
I have been reading a lot (of course) on the subject, and it has come
to my attention that LASEK might be a better solution for my situation
than LASIK, due to the low correction needed and the lower
intrusiveness of the procedure.
Has anyone here ever had LASEK performed on them? Were you happy with
the results? Were there any complications?
I am excited at the thought of improving my vision and (possibly)
reducing/eliminating my need for contacts/glasses, but I have read so
much "gloom and doom" (as one poster put it), that it has me second
guessing myself a little. I'm not looking for positive affirmation of
any decision, just informed opinions on what people have experienced.
Thank you for reading.
| |
| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
| There is nothing wrong with second guessing. It will make you take
what you are doing seriously and can help you make the best decision
for you.
The primary difference between LASIK and LASEK (or its cousins PRK and
Epi-LASIK) is that there is a flap of stromal tissue with LASIK, and
there is not with the others.
The deeper stromal flap "fools" the cornea into a different kind of
healing response. That difference is responsible for the lack of
corneal haze in higher corrections and the virtual painlessness of
LASIK. But of course, for every advantage there is a disadvantage.
The disadvantage with the LASIK flap is that during the process of
creation and throughout the patient's life there can be complications.
Though it is very rare for complications to occur, it is possible.
A very important concern with PRK, LASEK, and Epi-LASIK is recovery
time and discomfort. Vision will be functional, but not at all good,
for anywhere from 1-5 days, adequate for a few weeks more, and you
won't have really crisp vision until a few weeks after surgery - your
individual experience may vary. More discomfort can be expected than
would normally occur with LASIK.
I am personally biased toward PRK, LASEK, and Epi-LASIK because the
best way to reduce the probability of a complication is to eliminate
it completely. No LASIK flap = No LASIK flap problems.
With your low prescription, if you have the time for a somewhat longer
vision recovery and are willing to put up with a bit of discomfort,
you should seriously consider PRK, LASEK, or Epi-LASIK.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
| |
| wfyehl 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
|
moneytrain8@gmail.com wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have a mild nearsightedness (-2.75 in both eyes). I'm currently
> scheduled for a LASIK procedure on 17 March 2005 in Washington DC.
>
>
I went through the same type of termoil on making a decision on what
type of refractive surgury to have. My vision was similar to yours
(-2.75 in left, -3.00 in right). I opted for Intacs. I liked the fact
that if there were problems, or if another technology came along, the
intacs could be removed and/or replaced. My vision isn't 20/20 (well if
I get 8 hours of sleep, and don't stare at a computer screen 10-12 hours
a day, I can see 20/20 for about 10-12 hours). My vision does degrade
as the day goes along. My current prescription in the evening is about
-0.75 in each eye, but do not need to wear anything in the mornings.
Currently, I am waiting for the next size of the rings to be approved by
the FDA. For information about Intacs visit the site getintacs.com
Bill
| |
| doctor_my_eye@msn.com 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
| Bill, I'm glad that you had a good surgical result with Intacs. That
being said, I wouldn't encourage any healthy cornea to be subjected to
the Intacs.
The idea that they can be removed is very appealing, but the reality is
that I have seen corneas that looked terrible after Intacs were
removed.
The little "C" rings create a space in your cornea, and when they are
removed that remaining space can cause a lot of irregular astigmatism.
Don't look forward to moving or removing those rings. It is better to
be a little nearsighted but still have a nice, even cornea. Intacs
removal is a myth.
wfyehl wrote:
> moneytrain8@gmail.com wrote:
> I went through the same type of termoil on making a decision on what
> type of refractive surgury to have. My vision was similar to yours
> (-2.75 in left, -3.00 in right). I opted for Intacs. I liked the
fact
> that if there were problems, or if another technology came along, the
> intacs could be removed and/or replaced. My vision isn't 20/20 (well
if
> I get 8 hours of sleep, and don't stare at a computer screen 10-12
hours
> a day, I can see 20/20 for about 10-12 hours). My vision does
degrade
> as the day goes along. My current prescription in the evening is
about
> -0.75 in each eye, but do not need to wear anything in the mornings.
> Currently, I am waiting for the next size of the rings to be approved
by
> the FDA. For information about Intacs visit the site getintacs.com
>
> Bill
| |
| Ragnar 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
| You should also mention that your preference of PRK, etc. is not the
preference of the vast majority of ophthalmologists... and I really
don't understand why you are expressing your own opinions. I don't
think that is your function. It's kind of like the Dan Rather deal..
a newsman can't let their own opinions and political bias to interfere
with their job.
On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 08:23:48 GMT, Glenn - USAEyes.org
<glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org> wrote:
>There is nothing wrong with second guessing. It will make you take
>what you are doing seriously and can help you make the best decision
>for you.
>
>The primary difference between LASIK and LASEK (or its cousins PRK and
>Epi-LASIK) is that there is a flap of stromal tissue with LASIK, and
>there is not with the others.
>
>The deeper stromal flap "fools" the cornea into a different kind of
>healing response. That difference is responsible for the lack of
>corneal haze in higher corrections and the virtual painlessness of
>LASIK. But of course, for every advantage there is a disadvantage.
>
>The disadvantage with the LASIK flap is that during the process of
>creation and throughout the patient's life there can be complications.
>Though it is very rare for complications to occur, it is possible.
>
>A very important concern with PRK, LASEK, and Epi-LASIK is recovery
>time and discomfort. Vision will be functional, but not at all good,
>for anywhere from 1-5 days, adequate for a few weeks more, and you
>won't have really crisp vision until a few weeks after surgery - your
>individual experience may vary. More discomfort can be expected than
>would normally occur with LASIK.
>
>I am personally biased toward PRK, LASEK, and Epi-LASIK because the
>best way to reduce the probability of a complication is to eliminate
>it completely. No LASIK flap = No LASIK flap problems.
>
>With your low prescription, if you have the time for a somewhat longer
>vision recovery and are willing to put up with a bit of discomfort,
>you should seriously consider PRK, LASEK, or Epi-LASIK.
>
>Glenn Hagele
>Executive Director
>Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance
>
>Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
>
>http://www.USAEyes.org
>http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
>
>I am not a doctor.
| |
| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
| LASIK is by far the preference of most ophthalmologists. I did frame
my statement as my personal bias, just in case someone was unsure.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
| |
| serebel 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
|
wfyehl wrote:
> moneytrain8@gmail.com wrote:
> I went through the same type of termoil on making a decision on what
> type of refractive surgury to have. My vision was similar to yours
> (-2.75 in left, -3.00 in right). I opted for Intacs. I liked the
fact
> that if there were problems, or if another technology came along, the
> intacs could be removed and/or replaced. My vision isn't 20/20 (well
if
> I get 8 hours of sleep, and don't stare at a computer screen 10-12
hours
> a day, I can see 20/20 for about 10-12 hours). My vision does
degrade
> as the day goes along. My current prescription in the evening is
about
> -0.75 in each eye, but do not need to wear anything in the mornings.
> Currently, I am waiting for the next size of the rings to be approved
by
> the FDA. For information about Intacs visit the site getintacs.com
>
> Bill
I'm curious, for such a small correction, why did you go for intacs
(other than your removed/replaced explanation). It is unusual.
SErebel
| |
| Ragnar 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
| I'm happy now....
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:43:08 GMT, Glenn - USAEyes.org
<glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org> wrote:
>LASIK is by far the preference of most ophthalmologists. I did frame
>my statement as my personal bias, just in case someone was unsure.
>
>Glenn Hagele
>Executive Director
>Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance
>
>Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
>
>http://www.USAEyes.org
>http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
>
>I am not a doctor.
| |
| Sandy - LASIKdisaster.com - LASIKmemorial.com 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
|
doctor_my_eye@msn.com wrote:
> Bill, I'm glad that you had a good surgical result with Intacs. That
> being said, I wouldn't encourage any healthy cornea to be subjected
to
> the Intacs.
> The idea that they can be removed is very appealing, but the reality
is
> that I have seen corneas that looked terrible after Intacs were
> removed.
> The little "C" rings create a space in your cornea, and when they are
> removed that remaining space can cause a lot of irregular
astigmatism.
> Don't look forward to moving or removing those rings. It is better
to
> be a little nearsighted but still have a nice, even cornea. Intacs
> removal is a myth.
Thanks for that input. After a year of many unsuccessful fittings, my
current OD thinks that Intacs could make my corneas more regular and
easier to fit with gas perm lenses. The zWave lenses are the only
lenses I've had post-lasik that I've done well with, so I guess I'll be
going back to those.
| |
| wfyehl 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
|
serebel wrote:
>
> I'm curious, for such a small correction, why did you go for intacs
> (other than your removed/replaced explanation). It is unusual.
>
> SErebel
>
When get a consultation with 3 doctors that perform LASIK, I did not get
a very good feeling from them. I have dry eyes, and am unable to where
contacts at work (Dry environment, on computer all day). I was
concerned with the flap. One of the doctor's that does LASIK in my town
(Ft. Wayne) is a quack, in my opinion. I used to go to him for normal
eye care, and he messed up my prescription when I told him that I knew 3
people that had RK done. The other two doctors didn't seem to really
attempt to answer the questions as thouroughly as I would have liked.
They seemed more like a production/assembly line outfit. I have quite a
few co-workers that have had LASIK done be these doctors, and it is
50-50 with regards to the results. One co-worker is now unable to drive
a night (large pupils). I do a lot of driving at night in the summer
(both in a car and on a boat), so I didn't want to risk it.
The doctor the did my intacs also does LASEK and LASIK. I asked him
many questions about each procedure, and he answered them to my liking.
This doctor wasn't about pushing a procedure, but was truly interested
in the patient. I felt comfortable with him, and had really good
after-care.
I guess the bottom line is I didn't want any material removed from my
eyes, and with my dry eyes, didn't want to roll the dice on having flap
issues.
Bill
| |
| Ragnar 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
| Intacs? Operation #10?
For someone who hates refractive surgery, you sure are a frequent
customer. I find it incredible that you are taking advice from an OD
about Intacs.
On 11 Mar 2005 07:35:16 -0800, "Sandy - LASIKdisaster.com -
LASIKmemorial.com" <sandy@savvysneaks.com> wrote:
>
>doctor_my_eye@msn.com wrote:
>to
>is
>astigmatism.
>to
>
>Thanks for that input. After a year of many unsuccessful fittings, my
>current OD thinks that Intacs could make my corneas more regular and
>easier to fit with gas perm lenses. The zWave lenses are the only
>lenses I've had post-lasik that I've done well with, so I guess I'll be
>going back to those.
| |
| doctor_my_eye@msn.com 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
| For many patients, Ragnar, the advice of their OD is taken before the
advice of a surgeon. For example, the Medicare Parity Act for
Optometry has allowed Optometry to be paid to see Medicare patients for
the past 10 years or so. The advice of an O.D. about cataract surgery,
for example, is viewed as "less biased" because the OD has no financial
gain from "selling" surgery. Another example is that "fee based"
mutual fund salesmen (who make no commission from selling funds) will
give more honest advice than a broker who has his income entirely
relaterd to what fund he sells. I don't sell Intacs. Her surgeon
does.
Ragnar wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> Intacs? Operation #10?
> For someone who hates refractive surgery, you sure are a frequent
> customer. I find it incredible that you are taking advice from an OD
> about Intacs.
>
>
> On 11 Mar 2005 07:35:16 -0800, "Sandy - LASIKdisaster.com -
> LASIKmemorial.com" <sandy@savvysneaks.com> wrote:
>
That[vbcol=seagreen]
subjected[vbcol=seagreen]
reality[vbcol=seagreen]
are[vbcol=seagreen]
better[vbcol=seagreen]
Intacs[vbcol=seagreen]
my[vbcol=seagreen]
be[vbcol=seagreen]
| |
| serebel 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
|
wfyehl wrote:
> serebel wrote:
intacs[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> When get a consultation with 3 doctors that perform LASIK, I did not
get
> a very good feeling from them. I have dry eyes, and am unable to
where
> contacts at work (Dry environment, on computer all day). I was
> concerned with the flap. One of the doctor's that does LASIK in my
town
> (Ft. Wayne) is a quack, in my opinion. I used to go to him for
normal
> eye care, and he messed up my prescription when I told him that I
knew 3
> people that had RK done. The other two doctors didn't seem to really
> attempt to answer the questions as thouroughly as I would have liked.
> They seemed more like a production/assembly line outfit. I have
quite a
> few co-workers that have had LASIK done be these doctors, and it is
> 50-50 with regards to the results. One co-worker is now unable to
drive
> a night (large pupils). I do a lot of driving at night in the summer
> (both in a car and on a boat), so I didn't want to risk it.
>
> The doctor the did my intacs also does LASEK and LASIK. I asked him
> many questions about each procedure, and he answered them to my
liking.
> This doctor wasn't about pushing a procedure, but was truly
interested
> in the patient. I felt comfortable with him, and had really good
> after-care.
>
> I guess the bottom line is I didn't want any material removed from my
> eyes, and with my dry eyes, didn't want to roll the dice on having
flap
> issues.
>
> Bill
Bill,
You made an informed decision, and I wish you the best of luck with
the intacs.
SErebel
| |
| Sandy - LASIKdisaster.com - LASIKmemorial.com 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
| You are having reading comprehension problems again, Christopher. I
said that I would be going back to zWaves rather than having more
surgery.
My optometrist is seeing good results with Intacs for his kerataconus
patients, and he has mentioned that they might make my corneas more
regular, and thus easier to fit with contacts. That's about as far as
the conversation has gone and he understands that I am not considering
ANY surgery presently, but he and I are both very frustrated by the
problems I am having tolerating contact lenses.
| |
| Ragnar 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
| Any doctor that would have you as a patient has to be nuts.
Does that OD have a name?
On 13 Mar 2005 00:18:05 -0800, "Sandy - LASIKdisaster.com -
LASIKmemorial.com" <sandy@savvysneaks.com> wrote:
>You are having reading comprehension problems again, Christopher. I
>said that I would be going back to zWaves rather than having more
>surgery.
>
>My optometrist is seeing good results with Intacs for his kerataconus
>patients, and he has mentioned that they might make my corneas more
>regular, and thus easier to fit with contacts. That's about as far as
>the conversation has gone and he understands that I am not considering
>ANY surgery presently, but he and I are both very frustrated by the
>problems I am having tolerating contact lenses.
| |
| Simpledog 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
| I certainly hope so Ragnar, because, almost single handedly, you have killed
off something useful, the alt.lasik-eyes newsgroup. I've seen many trolls
in my life, but surely you are from the depths of all Usenet trolldom,
literally the belzubub of the Lasik industry.
We are now down to Glenn, and Minarik to offer any substantive advice that
is based upon real education, not hyperbole. What people like you don't
get, is that you can disagree respectfully, without engaging in conflict.
What is true of all contributers that are professionals in this industry, is
that they want to help. Sure, some make money doing so, but nobody wants to
harm anyone.
You do, but are no professional, you only attack, and therefore, you suck.
I wish I could send you to a little hut outside of Karbala that I recently
went by, and drop you off at the local OD there for a long discussion.
"Ragnar" <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4co031li30e5beiu04npuv9csot7satjir@4ax.com...
> I'm happy now....
>
>
>
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:43:08 GMT, Glenn - USAEyes.org
> <glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org> wrote:
>
>
| |
|
| "Simpledog" <cburnett1@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:<0Q0Zd.49605$xX3.1415@twister.socal.rr.com>...
> I certainly hope so Ragnar, because, almost single handedly, you have killed
> off something useful, the alt.lasik-eyes newsgroup. I've seen many trolls
> in my life, but surely you are from the depths of all Usenet trolldom,
> literally the belzubub of the Lasik industry.
I have definitely noticed a difference to this NG since Dr G stopped
posting here. It has become very dull.
>
> We are now down to Glenn, and Minarik to offer any substantive advice that
> is based upon real education, not hyperbole. What people like you don't
> get, is that you can disagree respectfully, without engaging in conflict.
And that sums it up nicely. Ragnar was told several times that we were
not interested in his attacks on Dr G. He persisted in telling the
same tired old stories over and over again until Dr G felt his
credibility was seriously on the line and left the NG. I have news for
you Ragnar, he helped many of us.
> What is true of all contributers that are professionals in this industry, is
> that they want to help. Sure, some make money doing so, but nobody wants to
> harm anyone.
>
> You do, but are no professional, you only attack, and therefore, you suck.
> I wish I could send you to a little hut outside of Karbala that I recently
> went by, and drop you off at the local OD there for a long discussion.
Simpledog, glad to see you back safely from Iraq. When is your next
trip?
Regards,
Linda[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>
>
> "Ragnar" <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4co031li30e5beiu04npuv9csot7satjir@4ax.com...
| |
| Simpledog 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
| June 12th I return.
As an Electrical Engineer, I am just making so much money, hand over fist,
that I just can't stop going back. I am single, and have no family, so it's
a perfect deal.
I am a civil servant <simpledog ducks all of the thrown bricks at the known
perception of gubberment workers> and I make more in 3 months there, with
all the danger pay, than I do in a year stateside. I've paid off my house
now, and have socked away a lot of money. I'll keep going back, as long as
I can. I can do either 4 month stints, 6 months, or 1 year. I work 12 to
16 hours a day, 7 days a week while there, only broken up by my 3 mile run
and sleep. I make 42/hr normally <stateside> but with over time, and danger
pay (50% additional pay), it's working out nice.
All in all, it's about as dangerous as living in a low income trailer park.
About 2 weeks ago, some idiot shot a mortar into our area. Here is a
picture of the smoke.....
http://www.geocities.com/drrouter/classic_tan2.html
"Linda" <lindakendall3155@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:78420532.0503131411.6ba5b804@posting.google.com...[vbcol=seagreen]
> "Simpledog" <cburnett1@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:<0Q0Zd.49605$xX3.1415@twister.socal.rr.com>...
>
> I have definitely noticed a difference to this NG since Dr G stopped
> posting here. It has become very dull.
>
> And that sums it up nicely. Ragnar was told several times that we were
> not interested in his attacks on Dr G. He persisted in telling the
> same tired old stories over and over again until Dr G felt his
> credibility was seriously on the line and left the NG. I have news for
> you Ragnar, he helped many of us.
>
>
> Simpledog, glad to see you back safely from Iraq. When is your next
> trip?
>
> Regards,
> Linda
"Linda" <lindakendall3155@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:78420532.0503131411.6ba5b804@posting.google.com...[vbcol=seagreen]
> "Simpledog" <cburnett1@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:<0Q0Zd.49605$xX3.1415@twister.socal.rr.com>...
>
> I have definitely noticed a difference to this NG since Dr G stopped
> posting here. It has become very dull.
>
> And that sums it up nicely. Ragnar was told several times that we were
> not interested in his attacks on Dr G. He persisted in telling the
> same tired old stories over and over again until Dr G felt his
> credibility was seriously on the line and left the NG. I have news for
> you Ragnar, he helped many of us.
>
>
> Simpledog, glad to see you back safely from Iraq. When is your next
> trip?
>
> Regards,
> Linda
| |
| Sandy - LASIKdisaster.com - LASIKmemorial.com 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
|
Ragnar wrote:
> Any doctor that would have you as a patient has to be nuts.
> Does that OD have a name?
He sure does!
| |
| Ragnar 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
| If your idea of useful information is Minarik... then you have real
problems.
I don't recall you asking any questions related to eyes. You seem to
have a real chip on your shoulder and are looking for a fight. If you
enjoy making a fool of yourself, be my guest.
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:50:20 GMT, "Simpledog" <cburnett1@san.rr.com>
wrote:
>I certainly hope so Ragnar, because, almost single handedly, you have killed
>off something useful, the alt.lasik-eyes newsgroup. I've seen many trolls
>in my life, but surely you are from the depths of all Usenet trolldom,
>literally the belzubub of the Lasik industry.
>
>We are now down to Glenn, and Minarik to offer any substantive advice that
>is based upon real education, not hyperbole. What people like you don't
>get, is that you can disagree respectfully, without engaging in conflict.
>What is true of all contributers that are professionals in this industry, is
>that they want to help. Sure, some make money doing so, but nobody wants to
>harm anyone.
>
>You do, but are no professional, you only attack, and therefore, you suck.
>I wish I could send you to a little hut outside of Karbala that I recently
>went by, and drop you off at the local OD there for a long discussion.
>
>
>
>"Ragnar" <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:4co031li30e5beiu04npuv9csot7satjir@4ax.com...
>
| |
| Ragnar 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
| I got news for you Linda. Dr. G will be back posting here. And when
he does, the same situation will resume. I guess that is what you
want?
If you can't wait for his garbage here.. go to Rebecca's website where
he spouts his garbage.
On 13 Mar 2005 14:11:06 -0800, lindakendall3155@gmail.com (Linda)
wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>"Simpledog" <cburnett1@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:<0Q0Zd.49605$xX3.1415@twister.socal.rr.com>...
>
>I have definitely noticed a difference to this NG since Dr G stopped
>posting here. It has become very dull.
>
>And that sums it up nicely. Ragnar was told several times that we were
>not interested in his attacks on Dr G. He persisted in telling the
>same tired old stories over and over again until Dr G felt his
>credibility was seriously on the line and left the NG. I have news for
>you Ragnar, he helped many of us.
>
>
>Simpledog, glad to see you back safely from Iraq. When is your next
>trip?
>
>Regards,
>Linda
| |
| Ragnar 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
| Why don't you and Linda conduct your personal messages by e-mail
instead of spamming this LASIK newsgroup with your soap opera?
Only on the internet can your fantasy of being an electrical engineer
making so much money hand over fist be true.
I hope that mortar didn't damage your trailer too much.
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:26:15 GMT, "Simpledog" <cburnett1@san.rr.com>
wrote:
>June 12th I return.
>
>As an Electrical Engineer, I am just making so much money, hand over fist,
>that I just can't stop going back. I am single, and have no family, so it's
>a perfect deal.
>
>I am a civil servant <simpledog ducks all of the thrown bricks at the known
>perception of gubberment workers> and I make more in 3 months there, with
>all the danger pay, than I do in a year stateside. I've paid off my house
>now, and have socked away a lot of money. I'll keep going back, as long as
>I can. I can do either 4 month stints, 6 months, or 1 year. I work 12 to
>16 hours a day, 7 days a week while there, only broken up by my 3 mile run
>and sleep. I make 42/hr normally <stateside> but with over time, and danger
>pay (50% additional pay), it's working out nice.
>
>All in all, it's about as dangerous as living in a low income trailer park.
>About 2 weeks ago, some idiot shot a mortar into our area. Here is a
>picture of the smoke.....
>
>http://www.geocities.com/drrouter/classic_tan2.html
>
>
>"Linda" <lindakendall3155@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:78420532.0503131411.6ba5b804@posting.google.com...
>
>
>"Linda" <lindakendall3155@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
| That's the problem with high pay, it makes you want to do dangerous
things even when your better judgment says that maybe you shouldn't.
It's nice to have the house paid and be ahead of the game, but you
don't want to be doing all of this for your beneficiaries. Obviously,
take care SimpleDog.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| Ragnar <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<u7gb31lb8hgdsl7pdilh15dh61t8ttf007@4ax.com>...
> Why don't you and Linda conduct your personal messages by e-mail
> instead of spamming this LASIK newsgroup with your soap opera?
Ragnar, this is simply not true! Can you honestly say that Simpledog
and myself are constantly spamming this NG? You know that is not the
case. I would like to think that we both conduct ourselves
appropriately. I am lucky to post once a week at present. Just to
remind you, Ragnar, it was you who posted personal information about
Sandy not all that long ago which would have caused her serious
difficulty at her place of work. I don't like many of her views, but I
have never stepped over the line in my dealings with her. About the
only person who deserved your wrath was Barnard. He was intolerable.
>
> Only on the internet can your fantasy of being an electrical engineer
> making so much money hand over fist be true.
Why do you disbelieve this? Many people are in Iraq due to the high
amounts of "danger" money on offer. Personally I think it takes guts
to work there. No amount of money would intice me!
Linda
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>
> I hope that mortar didn't damage your trailer too much.
>
>
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:26:15 GMT, "Simpledog" <cburnett1@san.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
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| Ragnar 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
| Linda.. you seem determined to light a fire in this newsgroup to get
the soap opera started again. Everyone is behaving and nobody needs
to be made a fool of at the moment. Catmanx will crawl back into his
hole before the week is out.
On 14 Mar 2005 15:30:50 -0800, lindakendall3155@gmail.com (Linda)
wrote:
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>Ragnar <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<u7gb31lb8hgdsl7pdilh15dh61t8ttf007@4ax.com>...
>
>Ragnar, this is simply not true! Can you honestly say that Simpledog
>and myself are constantly spamming this NG? You know that is not the
>case. I would like to think that we both conduct ourselves
>appropriately. I am lucky to post once a week at present. Just to
>remind you, Ragnar, it was you who posted personal information about
>Sandy not all that long ago which would have caused her serious
>difficulty at her place of work. I don't like many of her views, but I
>have never stepped over the line in my dealings with her. About the
>only person who deserved your wrath was Barnard. He was intolerable.
>
>
>Why do you disbelieve this? Many people are in Iraq due to the high
>amounts of "danger" money on offer. Personally I think it takes guts
>to work there. No amount of money would intice me!
>Linda
>
>
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"Ragnar" <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:u7gb31lb8hgdsl7pdilh15dh61t8ttf007@4ax.com...
> Why don't you and Linda conduct your personal messages by e-mail
> instead of spamming this LASIK newsgroup with your soap opera?
I think I have suggested the above to you before Rags.
If anyone spams this ng its you with all the LVI bullshit we keep hearing
about.
I agree with Simpledog that you have single handedly managed to scare off
some good people in this group.
The way your going even the anti lasiks won't bother coming here to argue
with you. You'll have the whole NG to yourself.
Wal
> Only on the internet can your fantasy of being an electrical engineer
> making so much money hand over fist be true.
>
> I hope that mortar didn't damage your trailer too much.
>
>
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:26:15 GMT, "Simpledog" <cburnett1@san.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
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| lindakendall3155@gmail.com 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
|
Ragnar wrote:
> Linda.. you seem determined to light a fire in this newsgroup to get
> the soap opera started again. Everyone is behaving and nobody needs
> to be made a fool of at the moment. Catmanx will crawl back into his
> hole before the week is out.
O.K Ragnar, I am not often provoked, but you need to hear this. You are
very arrogant to say that "everyone is behaving". Who do you think you
are? You sound like a school teacher scolding his pupils. How dare you
even suggest that I flame this NG. You are the rudest, most arrogant
person ever to post here (and I am going back 3 years). I can recall
many posts by you that were absolutely breathtaking in their disregard
of people and their feelings. Why should CatmanX crawl back into his
hole? Why should any of us crawl back into our hole? This is a public
NG Ragnar. Anyone is welcome to post here. You are a complete joke, you
accuse others of doing exactly what you yourself do every single day of
the week. Anyone care to post some of Ragnar's more controversial posts
of the past? I am sure Sandy could dig up one or two of them. You are
unable to accept anyone with a differing point of view. This suggests
emotional immaturity. Can I expect you to try and badger me off this NG
now Ragnar?
Linda[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> On 14 Mar 2005 15:30:50 -0800, lindakendall3155@gmail.com (Linda)
> wrote:
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| Simpledog 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
| Minarik is a school trained OD. Dr. G was an Engineer, turned OD. Glenn
has more upstairs than most I've cyber-met, and surely has a degree in
something. And even I, a lowly Gubberment worker, have an EE, graduating
squarely at the bottom third of my class, with a 2.5 GPA. heh. Let's just
say that the university of Maryland isn't exactly the MIT of my field.
What are your credentials? PhD. of Assholeness.
I wasn't spoiling for a fight. I could careless what you say or think.
It's just that to find useful information, one must muddle through the
Ragnar posted sludge sometimes to find it.
I'm still with a bit of a blur in my left eye, but with glasses, I get a
minor fuzzy 20/20 or so now. I've accomodated. Still hoping for a fix, but
will wait until it's near the "-2 with no prior surgery myope" level of
success before I do so again. I've come as close as one comes to
retreatment (paid, had an appointment, a couple of Xanax from a buddy to pop
before surgery), but Dr. Boxer-Wachler called me up and told me he wasn't
getting the results he had expected, and told me that he would not retreat
until Ladarvision expands it's range. However, I'm hearing some anecdotal
info that post hyperopes are getting some initial successes from the
expanded Visx CustomVue retreatment.
"Ragnar" <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ujdb3159sceo7g3ptmmf794obd7cluagv5@4ax.com...
> If your idea of useful information is Minarik... then you have real
> problems.
>
> I don't recall you asking any questions related to eyes. You seem to
> have a real chip on your shoulder and are looking for a fight. If you
> enjoy making a fool of yourself, be my guest.
>
>
>
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:50:20 GMT, "Simpledog" <cburnett1@san.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>
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| Simpledog 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
| It hit a generator about 200 yards away.
So, no, it did not hit me.
"Ragnar" <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:u7gb31lb8hgdsl7pdilh15dh61t8ttf007@4ax.com...
> Why don't you and Linda conduct your personal messages by e-mail
> instead of spamming this LASIK newsgroup with your soap opera?
>
> Only on the internet can your fantasy of being an electrical engineer
> making so much money hand over fist be true.
>
> I hope that mortar didn't damage your trailer too much.
>
>
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:26:15 GMT, "Simpledog" <cburnett1@san.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>
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| tes@test.com 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
| ragnar,
your an XXXXXXX
Ragnar wrote:
> Why don't you and Linda conduct your personal messages by e-mail
> instead of spamming this LASIK newsgroup with your soap opera?
>
> Only on the internet can your fantasy of being an electrical engineer
> making so much money hand over fist be true.
>
> I hope that mortar didn't damage your trailer too much.
>
>
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:26:15 GMT, "Simpledog" <cburnett1@san.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
| I'll bet you noticed it right away.
8^)
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| Simpledog 2005-03-19, 6:24 pm |
| Yes. That would be correct. That wasn't the scary one. The scary one was
the RPG attack. That scared a little pee out of me.
"Glenn - USAEyes.org" <glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org> wrote in message
news:8a2d31lcelh52uh0pktab383njcrp9he2l@4ax.com...
> I'll bet you noticed it right away.
>
> 8^)
>
> Glenn Hagele
> Executive Director
> Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance
>
> Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
>
> http://www.USAEyes.org
> http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
>
> I am not a doctor.
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