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I cannot seem to wear contacts
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| Spockie 2005-12-22, 1:06 am |
| I cannot seem to wear contacts.
I was thinking that lasik might be an alternative since I have tried two
days to wear them at the store and I cannot get them in.
Do you all like your lasik treatment?
Does it give you 20/40 or 20/20 vision?
do you still have to wear glasses?
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| serebel 2005-12-22, 1:06 am |
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Spockie wrote:
> I cannot seem to wear contacts.
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> I was thinking that lasik might be an alternative since I have tried two
> days to wear them at the store and I cannot get them in.
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It may be a terrific alternative, I couldn't wear contacts either.
> Do you all like your lasik treatment?
Boy, this question is gonna open the floodgates of different opinions.
I'm very happy with my surgery.
> Does it give you 20/40 or 20/20 vision?
In the vast majority of cases, yes.
> do you still have to wear glasses?
Not at all.
SErebel
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2005-12-22, 1:06 am |
| >I cannot seem to wear contacts.
The reason you cannot wear contacts needs to be determined and
evaluated if it could keep you from having Lasik. An comprehensive
examination by a competent doctor should be able to answer this
question.
>I was thinking that lasik might be an alternative...<snip>
Lasik may be an alternative to contacts, but much depends upon your
individual circumstances.
><snip>...since I have tried two
>days to wear them at the store and I cannot get them in.
If the ability to place contacts in your eyes is the problem, this is
simply a process of good training and practice. It takes a few
attempts at first. Don't give up.
>Do you all like your lasik treatment?
The vast majority of Lasik patients would do it again or have
recommend it to their friends, however not every person gets what they
want. The probably of you getting what you want will depend upon your
unique circumstances.
This newsgroup is frequented by a small number of very, very vocal
opponents to Lasik. You will undoubtedly hear from them.
>Does it give you 20/40 or 20/20 vision?
The newer wavefront-guided technology has been providing excellent
results. Several studies have shown upwards of 98% of patients
achieving 20/20 vision or better, BUT vision is more than black
letters on a white background in a controlled lighting environment.
The Snellen 20/whatever is a very limited way to measure success or
failure.
>do you still have to wear glasses?
Because I am over age 40 and have presbyopia, I have monovision
correction (http://www.usaeyes.org/faq/subjects/monovision.htm) so I
need to wear glasses when I require exceptional distance vision or
depth perception, such as when I drive at night.
Every person is unique and much depends upon your individual eyes.
Many of these questions can only be answered by your doctor.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| Dont give up after just 2 days! It took me a week to get my contact
lenses in. I cant tolerate them they dry and irritate my eyes but at
least it takes 1-2 minutes to get em in now. Lasik is serious business
and your rushing into it already? Firstly, why do you even want lasik?
Dont get it just for the sake of it. Its not like a haircut but real
surgury! Second, whats your pescription? If its very high or very low,
your not a good lasik candidate. Very low pescriptions dont even need
correction much, if at all. I know a friend whos 20/40 who used to wear
glasses briefly but she got tired of them and just stopped. She sees
quite decent already and loves being glasses free! Glasses werent worth
the very slight improvement in visual accuracy as they are inconvinent.
Her pescription is too low to get lasik, lasik is too risky and she has
little to gain and alot more to lose. I know a bunch of people from
20/30 to 20/70 who got lasik and even though many ended with better
accuracy, their quality of vision was worse plus they suffered dry
eyes. They wished they had their 20/30 to 20/70 uncorrected vision to
their new ruined lasik vision and learned the hard way snellen chart
accuracy isnt the be all.
Whats your reasons and expectations for lasik? I will be able to give
you an opinion on the chances of you being pleased with lasik.
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Ace wrote:
> Dont give up after just 2 days! It took me a week to get my contact
> lenses in. I cant tolerate them they dry and irritate my eyes but at
> least it takes 1-2 minutes to get em in now. Lasik is serious business
> and your rushing into it already? Firstly, why do you even want lasik?
> Dont get it just for the sake of it. Its not like a haircut but real
> surgury! Second, whats your pescription? If its very high or very low,
> your not a good lasik candidate. Very low pescriptions dont even need
> correction much, if at all. I know a friend whos 20/40 who used to wear
> glasses briefly but she got tired of them and just stopped. She sees
> quite decent already and loves being glasses free! Glasses werent worth
> the very slight improvement in visual accuracy as they are inconvinent.
> Her pescription is too low to get lasik, lasik is too risky and she has
> little to gain and alot more to lose. I know a bunch of people from
> 20/30 to 20/70 who got lasik and even though many ended with better
> accuracy, their quality of vision was worse plus they suffered dry
> eyes. They wished they had their 20/30 to 20/70 uncorrected vision to
> their new ruined lasik vision and learned the hard way snellen chart
> accuracy isnt the be all.
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> Whats your reasons and expectations for lasik? I will be able to give
> you an opinion on the chances of you being pleased with lasik.
Ace, are you qualified to give opinions/advice re outcomes? Many of us
have had Lasik and can tell others about our experience, but it sounds
as though you are saying that you can give qualified opinions about
peoples chances of being happy with their outcome. I have read many of
your posts and I think I recall that you have not had Lasik. Therefore
why do you feel that you can assess people who are considering Lasik?
Linda
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| It is better to tell someone not to get lasik then tell someone to get
lasik and if he has a bad outcome, he may personally blame you and even
make you liable for false info. Telling someone not to get lasik poses
no harm. For all we know, he could be a -15 or a -.5 both of which
lasik most certainly wont work. He could have other contridictions or
very unrealistic expectations, such as to get 20/10 super vision.
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| Spockie 2005-12-22, 1:06 am |
| My perscription for glasses is -2.5 in both eyes.
It was -2.25 in both eyes three years ago.
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| Ok, I see. May I ask why you seek lasik and whats your expectations? Do
you want to be completly free of glasses? Do you mind reading glasses
now or in the future? What if you dont see as well after lasik as you
do with glasses? Your pescription is barely high enough to be
handicapped without glasses. If you were a -2 or less(especially less)
then I wouldnt reccomend surgury for anyone but im not gonna stop them.
again,
May I ask why you seek lasik and whats your expectations? Do you want
to be completly free of glasses? Do you mind reading glasses now or in
the future? What if you dont see as well after lasik as you do with
glasses?
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| In article <1135238549.116124.317230@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"Ace" <acemanvx@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If you were a -2 or less(especially less)
> then I wouldnt reccomend surgury for anyone
there you go with the recommendations again.
just for the record, Ace has never been evaluated for LASIK and refuses
to go to the eye doctor or even follow a doctor's advice. He tests his
own eyes by trying on a collection of glasses with different Rx. He
believes that you can simulate a LASIK outcome by wearing these
different glasses and misting them up or smearing them with grease and
then look at a Snellen chart he made himself.
To the original poster: Millions of people have had LASIK and the
overwhelming majority is happy with the outcome. Everyone poses their
own individual circumstances which can only be evaluated by a
professional. Why don't you go have an evaluation by a couple of
different LASIK offices. Evaluations should be FREE with no strings
attached. The offices also educate you on what to expect. However, just
remember, LASIK is an elective procedure, and like any luxury item, you
will be sold on its greatness. It is also incumbent upon you to divulge
all of your medical history to your eye surgeon and be clear about your
expectations. You've made a good start by asking questions. Good luck!
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~RT
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| Ragnar 2005-12-22, 11:01 am |
| That happened to me also. Over time, one LOSES their tolerance of
contact lenses.
With my astigmatism, glasses and soft contacts were inadequate. Rigid
lenses gave me excellent vision for many years, but then I lost my
tolerance of them. I was visually handicapped for months before my
LASIK was done.
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 03:21:23 GMT, Spockie <spockie@verizon.net> wrote:
>I cannot seem to wear contacts.
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>I was thinking that lasik might be an alternative since I have tried two
>days to wear them at the store and I cannot get them in.
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>Do you all like your lasik treatment?
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>Does it give you 20/40 or 20/20 vision?
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>do you still have to wear glasses?
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| Many people are handicapped for a lifetime AFTER LASIK was done.
Contact lens intolerance can be a warning sign for dry eye. All forms
of corneal refractive surgery damage corneal nerves which can make eye
worse. This dry eye can be permanent. Yes, don't bother to disagree
with this Ragnar because it's on the FDA website.
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| Ragnar 2005-12-23, 1:05 am |
| I'm interested in knowing what number out of 10 million procedures you
consider to mean "Many"...
BTW.. although is the most widely performed of any surgery, it is also
the only surgery that comes to mind that hasn't had a single fatality,
not even at LVI.
On 22 Dec 2005 10:07:02 -0800, "Eye" <eyetooamdamaged@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Many people are handicapped for a lifetime AFTER LASIK was done.
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>Contact lens intolerance can be a warning sign for dry eye. All forms
>of corneal refractive surgery damage corneal nerves which can make eye
>worse. This dry eye can be permanent. Yes, don't bother to disagree
>with this Ragnar because it's on the FDA website.
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| serebel 2005-12-23, 1:05 am |
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Eye wrote:
> Many people are handicapped for a lifetime AFTER LASIK was done.
That happens to "really smart" people like Eye. They leap before they
look.
> Contact lens intolerance can be a warning sign for dry eye. All forms
> of corneal refractive surgery damage corneal nerves which can make eye
> worse. This dry eye can be permanent. Yes, don't bother to disagree
> with this Ragnar because it's on the FDA website.
There are many reasons for contact lens intolerance, not just dry eyes.
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| "Ace has never been evaluated for LASIK"
I have in early 2005. It was a free complimentry test but they dont
test you fully till you actually pay the $5000 to get lasik then they
give you comphrensive testing and probably some excuse that your a good
candidate when many arent anyway. You can probably learn more by
researching your expectations and risks on the internet than from a
lasik evaluation which will probably be biased anyway. When in doubt,
dont get lasik. Not getting lasik wont hurt you(even if your a
"perfect" candidate) but getting lasik could and some people believe
lasik damages every eye! This could be true, but the damage is mild for
most people and many do come out pretty much ok anyway.
"He tests his
own eyes by trying on a collection of glasses with different Rx."
I get better results when I decide what power I need instead of the
optometrist telling me what power glasses I should wear. He said I was
-5.5 and -5 but this makes things quite blurry from near and gives me
eyestrain even in the distance if worn for long. I am much happier with
-4.25 things are much clearer from near and only a tiny, tiny bit
blurry undercorrected in the distance which is no big deal. Helps my
eyes relax, especially since I have some pseudomyopia too.
"He
believes that you can simulate a LASIK outcome by wearing these
different glasses and misting them up or smearing them with grease"
Many people complain of haze following lasik and especially PRK. They
say its alot like the haze they get from looking at smeared glasses or
a dirty contact lense. You can also look thru a whitish plastic bag to
simulate severe haze. If you dont care to simulate, just look at the
pictures of people's visions after a bad outcome. They see worse than
even my simulations!
"Millions of people have had LASIK and the
overwhelming majority is happy with the outcome."
That much is true, but many people are still happy despite losing some
vision. One guy ended up with severe dry eyes, needed sunglasses,
reading glasses, has poor night vision, and who knows what else but hes
happy because he doesnt "need" minus glasses! Go figure!
"Why don't you go have an evaluation by a couple of
different LASIK offices."
Do that, but remember they want to sell lasik to you so they are going
to be biased and most likley say your a great candidate even if your
pupils are huge, your corneas thin or you got dry eyes!
"The offices also educate you on what to expect."
Yes but with bias. They will say something like 95% chance of 20/20 but
in reality its more like 50% after 1 year and more. Also theres the
issue of quality. lasik 20/20 isnt as good as glasses or contact lense
20/20 in most cases. One of my friends ended up a "blurry" 20/20 but
hes still having trouble seeing the lecture board at his college and
reading smaller text. He says theres haze and glare and some disortion
due to induced astigmastim. I told him maybe he needs to go back to
glasses and see if this helps any, he says I didnt pay $3000 to get
lasik to still wear glasses, I want an enhancement and I told him lasik
cant help either if glasses cant. He wasnt happy with glasses but now
hes miserable with lasik and $3000 poorer which is alot of $ for a
college student.
"However, just
remember, LASIK is an elective procedure, and like any luxury item, you
will be sold on its greatness."
Thats what im trying to say, he hit it on the nail! Lasik *can* be
pretty good if your lucky and everything goes the way you want it but
you are guaranteed good vision with glasses, however lasik has NO
guarantees, not even the elimination of glasses. I have seen many very
disapointed people when they still needed reading glasses, bifocals or
a thin pair of distance glasses for driving, movies, etc.
" Over time, one LOSES their tolerance of
contact lenses."
Many people dont have tolerance to contacts to begin with, like me.
"With my astigmatism, glasses and soft contacts were inadequate. Rigid
lenses gave me excellent vision for many years, but then I lost my
tolerance of them."
Glasses corrects astigmastim nicely, what are you talking about? Many
people still see 20/20 corrected and even with very high astigmastim
you can see like 20/25 or 20/30 usually. I know one guy with -7
diopters astigmastim and he was seeing 20/30 with glasses. No lasik can
safely correct this much astigmastim.
"I was visually handicapped for months before my
LASIK was done."
What were you corrected to with glasses? If you say 20/20 then you
werent handicapped in the least. If its close to 20/20 then its not
really a handicap and besides with your -8 pescription, glasses makes
things smaller so it would be a supprise if you could still read 20/20
with significent minification. My moms about your pescription and sees
20/30 with glasses which is just fine and she can do anything, even
drive!
"Many people are handicapped for a lifetime AFTER LASIK was done."
This person has a good point. Ive talked to eye who said the best
vision ill have is my virgin eyes with glasses. eye went on to say ill
be seeing worse than the 20/30 I do now with glasses if I got lasik and
I can kiss my night vision bye-bye! eye also wishes to be back in
glasses and that whatever im seeing with glasses is much, much better
than what eye got after lasik! Basically my 20/30 with glasses is
better than what most people get after lasik quality wise. My 20/30 is
better than their "20/20" accroding to eye and other people who told me
this.
"Contact lens intolerance can be a warning sign for dry eye."
Again this smart person is correct. Contacts really do dry my eyes and
when I take the contacts out they are so dry they stick to my fingers
and feel sticky instead of wet and slippery. My eye immediately feels
MUCH better once the contacts are removed.
"All forms
of corneal refractive surgery damage corneal nerves which can make eye
worse."
Hence why eye and many others say lasik damages all eyes. They go on to
say it damages your cornea(thins it out) damages your corneal nerves
and induces more aberrations which makes your vision quality and in
many cases accurity suffer.
"I'm interested in knowing what number out of 10 million procedures you
consider to mean "Many"..."
Different people will give different answers. It could be 100,000, it
could be a couple million. Either way thats still alot!
"BTW.. although is the most widely performed of any surgery, it is also
the only surgery that comes to mind that hasn't had a single fatality,
not even at LVI."
I guess your not counting any of those suicides, eh? Yes some people
got messed up so bad they didnt feel living was worth it anymore.
Others feel "dead" inside and arent "living" but just existing day to
day.
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That happens to "really smart" people like Eye. They leap before they
look."
I would be interested to hear eye's story but basically eye was not
properly informed and tricked into getting lasik. Had eye been
informed, lasik would never have been done in a million years. Eye goes
on to say repeatedly that nearly all people getting lasik werent
properly fully informed. They just read and hear glowing reports with
scantly anything negetive and think lasik is safe and nothing can
"happen" to them. They dont take lasik seriously and come in with
unrelistic expectations.
"There are many reasons for contact lens intolerance, not just dry
eyes."
Theres also glasses to give you excellent, crisp vision without the
hassle and pains of contact lenses.
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